Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft

NeoWarriors · Post #1441 » by **NeoWarriors** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 4:13 pm

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HiRez · Post #1442 » by **HiRez** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:58 pm

Kuminga shooting 35.4% from 3 on the season, pretty crazy when you consider how poorly he started the year (0% in October, 28% in November, 27% in December). He's shooting 50% from 3 in his last 10 games. That part of his game is coming along well and he's doing it with good shot selection. Shooting %s of something like 60%/37%/70% (2P/3P/FT) consistently would make him very dangerous. This year he's at 57.4%/35.4%/66.1%, so he's not too far away from that, it seems like a realistic goal.

a8bil · Post #1443 » by **a8bil** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:03 pm

HiRez wrote:Kuminga shooting 35.4% from 3 on the season, pretty crazy when you consider how poorly he started the year (0% in October, 28% in November, 27% in December). He's shooting 50% from 3 in his last 10 games. That part of his game is coming along well and he's doing it with good shot selection. Shooting %s of something like 60%/37%/70% (2P/3P/FT) consistently would make him very dangerous. This year he's at 57.4%/35.4%/66.1%, so he's not too far away from that, it seems like a realistic goal.

I think the best part of Kuminga's development is that his trade value is going up. Not that I would want to get rid of him, but if the goal is to surround Steph for the remainder of his prime with solid vets, having a youngin with trade value is important.

Twinkie defense · Post #1444 » by **Twinkie defense** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:20 pm

No you don't want to trade Kuminga - he has the size/athleticism combo the roster otherwise lacks. He's a part of the next core, and in the meantime can help a lot.

Big J · Post #1445 » by **Big J** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:33 pm

I'd trade him & Poole for Jaylen Brown. Sounds like he doesn't want to be in Boston anymore.

a8bil · Post #1446 » by **a8bil** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:50 pm

But as Big J has noted, TD, you can package him with Poole to get that player with size that is ready to contribute now to another title. I have to imagine there would be quite a few teams interested in that package...assuming Poole doesn't continue to regress.

Big J · Post #1447 » by **Big J** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:52 am

Is there anyone here who would still take Franz over JK? Kuminga upside is sky high, and Franz while good is much more limited.

wco81 · Post #1448 » by **wco81** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:02 am

Franz is playing 32 minutes in his career so far, shooting 47.8/35.9/84.8, with 4.3 RPG, 3.2 APG and 0.9 STL.

He's averaging $16.9 in just under 2 NBA seasons.

He's 6-10, can handle it a bit. Not sure how well he defends at the POA though.

Yeah Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but he may not necessarily get there.

In 2-3 more seasons we'll have a clear idea of both players, around the time their rookie deals expire.

But right now, Franz would arguably get more minutes than JK, probably more productive in a playoffs rotation too.

Onus · Post #1449 » by **Onus** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:12 am

Jk has been playing well but he’s hardly even being guarded. Most the time he’s being played like he’s Westbrook. But he’s showing flashes and been able to take advantage lately so that’s been great.

Big J · Post #1450 » by **Big J** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:12 am

wco81 wrote:Franz is playing 32 minutes in his career so far, shooting 47.8/35.9/84.8, with 4.3 RPG, 3.2 APG and 0.9 STL.

He's averaging $16.9 in just under 2 NBA seasons.

He's 6-10, can handle it a bit. Not sure how well he defends at the POA though.

Yeah Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but he may not necessarily get there.

In 2-3 more seasons we'll have a clear idea of both players, around the time their rookie deals expire.

But right now, Franz would arguably get more minutes than JK, probably more productive in a playoffs rotation too.

Those stats are meaningless on a losing team. Imagine what JK would be putting up on Orlando with no leash.

wco81 · Post #1451 » by **wco81** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:27 am

THey're not meaningless.

Clearly he's a better shooter. And he finishes pretty well, had some highlight posterized dunks over people. He may not be able to leap like JK but he's 6-10 and he can dribble well enough to go downhill when there are openings.

Maybe Franz wouldn't be able to quickly adapt to this system.

tarantism · Post #1452 » by **tarantism** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:47 am

Kuminga is my playoff x-factor. He could swing a playoff series for us and his play on both ends is rapidly trending in the right direction. The only issue with him in the closing lineup is that you want Looney out there for rebounding but Kuminga has an athletic ability and size that nobody on our team brings. I'd also like to see him playing with Steph or Dray - the two guys who can best deliver him the ball.

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HiRez · Post #1453 » by **HiRez** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:35 am

wco81 wrote:Yeah Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but he may not necessarily get there.

In 2-3 more seasons we'll have a clear idea of both players, around the time their rookie deals expire.

If Kerr gives Kuminga serious minutes (25-30) it's not gonna take 2+ more seasons...

cpower · Post #1454 » by **cpower** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:42 am

HiRez wrote:
wco81 wrote:Yeah Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but he may not necessarily get there.

In 2-3 more seasons we'll have a clear idea of both players, around the time their rookie deals expire.

If Kerr gives Kuminga serious minutes (25-30) it's not gonna take 2+ more seasons...

his bbiq is not there, you cant force player to grow just by throwing him heavy mins, he is still a bit of offensive black hole and makes too many mistakes. I will be happy if he is better than Lamb next year

HiRez · Post #1455 » by **HiRez** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:16 am

cpower wrote:
HiRez wrote:
wco81 wrote:Yeah Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but he may not necessarily get there.

In 2-3 more seasons we'll have a clear idea of both players, around the time their rookie deals expire.

If Kerr gives Kuminga serious minutes (25-30) it's not gonna take 2+ more seasons...

his bbiq is not there, you cant force player to grow just by throwing him heavy mins, he is still a bit of offensive black hole and makes too many mistakes. I will be happy if he is better than Lamb next year

They both have strengths and weaknesses, but Kuminga is better than Lamb right now. Lamb is what he is, Kuminga's only going to get better. There is little negative about playing Kuminga over Lamb right now, hence Kuminga should get the lion's share of those minutes.

This "Kuminga don't have the BBIQ" argument is getting old, dude is a star waiting to break out and he needs playing time to do it. His BBIQ looked fine when he picked Doncic's pocket and flew down the court and dunked it. If Kerr had the balls to play him more of Lamb's minutes this year, he'd already be even better right now.

TB · Post #1456 » by TB » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:33 am

Big J wrote:
wco81 wrote:Franz is playing 32 minutes in his career so far, shooting 47.8/35.9/84.8, with 4.3 RPG, 3.2 APG and 0.9 STL.

He's averaging $16.9 in just under 2 NBA seasons.

He's 6-10, can handle it a bit. Not sure how well he defends at the POA though.

Yeah Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but he may not necessarily get there.

In 2-3 more seasons we'll have a clear idea of both players, around the time their rookie deals expire.

But right now, Franz would arguably get more minutes than JK, probably more productive in a playoffs rotation too.

Those stats are meaningless on a losing team. Imagine what JK would be putting up on Orlando with no leash.

I disagree. Franz has been fantastic, and will continue to be a great player on both ends of the floor. And JoKu with no leash in Orlando could have him looking inefficient on offense without the sense of defensive urgency he has gained from being on a title contender with seriously high demands on their rotation players. Credit to Kerr and JoKu for sticking with it after some rough times and really locking in to the correct development.

But Franz has clearly been the better player. And is clearly the better player right now. He's an absolute cornerstone for any team that has him.

Buuuut, Kuminga is showing flashes more and more often on why he was the higher pick with the higher ceiling. If he puts this all together consistently, he can be on Franz level with even higher peaks.

They are both showing exactly what people hoped/expected from them. Franz was always going to be the quicker player to success while whoever drafted Kuminga had to develop him much more.

Dubs 707 · Post #1457 » by **Dubs 707** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:35 am

Big J wrote:I'd trade him & Poole for Jaylen Brown. Sounds like he doesn't want to be in Boston anymore.

I'd trade Klay/Poole for Smart/Brown

Curry/ smart
Brown/ GP2
Wiggins / Lamb
Green / Kuminga
Looney ????

Woowzers

TB · Post #1458 » by TB » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:47 am

Dubs 707 wrote:
Big J wrote:I'd trade him & Poole for Jaylen Brown. Sounds like he doesn't want to be in Boston anymore.

I'd trade Klay/Poole for Smart/Brown

Curry/ smart
Brown/ GP2
Wiggins / Lamb
Green / Kuminga
Looney ????

Woowzers

First off, the contracts don't match. But even if they did, why would the Celtics do this?

Dubs 707 · Post #1459 » by **Dubs 707** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:49 am

Will a few first and a hotdog from treasure island get it done?

Let a man dream!

xdrta+ · Post #1460 » by **xdrta+** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:52 am

Dubs 707 wrote:
Big J wrote:I'd trade him & Poole for Jaylen Brown. Sounds like he doesn't want to be in Boston anymore.

I'd trade Klay/Poole for Smart/Brown

Curry/ smart
Brown/ GP2
Wiggins / Lamb
Green / Kuminga
Looney ????

Woowzers

They should be able to improve on Lamb from the minimum salary scrap heap. I doubt they plan to bring him back anyway--there's a reason his contract is for the rest of this season only; no non-guaranteed 2nd year or team option or anything.