PG Sixers: Trust the Process ends the streak

[rilamann]

Giannis' BBIQ seems to turn to mush against Boston and Philly. That's kind of concerning.

I mean it happens a lot against most physical and/or long teams. It's why his in-between game not fully developing has been super frustrating.

It's not even so much that. He just gets tunnel vision and barrels into defenders while committing incredibly dumb turnovers and fouls when we play the Celtics and Sixers.

The charge with about 4 minutes to go when we were up 116-100 was a killer.

Then the foul on the McDaniel's 3 when we were up 120-116 with just over 2 minutes to go was another killer. McDaniel missed the shot and we had a chance to get the rebound and go up 6 or maybe 7 with 2 minutes to go. But Giannis fouled him after the release.

Just rookie level dumb **** by Giannis when we play Philly & Boston.

And also Giannis watching the ball and not boxing out McDaniels which allowed the put-back dunk and made the score 123-121 with under 2 minutes to go was another killer. If Giannis boxes out and gets the rebound, we have a chance to go up 125-119 with just over a minute to go.

I forgot about that one.

[blazza18]

Just rookie level dumb **** by Giannis when we play Philly & Boston.

He's pretty stubborn and as some of the board have said before he's not exactly the smartest player. Put those two things together and you're going to see a lot of stupid **** no matter how good the player is outside of that. You would think he'd grow and learn from that but that isn't really who Giannis is. He wants to run through a brick wall no matter how hard it is.

[CharityStripe34]

He missed a couple of baby hooks tonight. But he didn't even attempt his midrange J which he's been feeling more lately. Sometimes it's weird to see him completely abandon the in-between game.

We've seen no little flip/push shots this season after being ok with them to end last season. Comes down to a lack of feel for the game and having next to no real rhythm to what he's doing at all. He doesn't make any sense.

That's what I mean, he sort of forgets those shots when he could totally use them. Even his 15-17 foot middy J that he's normally comfortable with, or baseline turnaround. I think he was hell bent on getting Philly in foul trouble cause he felt good from the line that he lost track of the script. Which was quick pace, ball-movement.

It's definite nitpicking as the dude turns into a literal demigod in the playoffs, but he's gotta start trusting those shots and using them to get used to having that repertoire.

[Plossum]

I’m sanguine about the first three quarters. When not running insanely hot I thought we played them pretty well. Philly is a good team.

[Pachinko_]

Giannis is still a bonehead and Midds has cement shoes. Midds is such a §hitty defender. Cant win them all.

So who would you trade the bonehead for? Who is the divine entity that meets the Milwaukee fan standard?

[blazza18]

Giannis is still a bonehead and Midds has cement shoes. Midds is such a §hitty defender. Cant win them all.

So who would you trade the bonehead for? Who is the divine entity that meets the Milwaukee fan standard?

A version of Giannis that isn't a bonehead? What a **** weird reply. Giannis played like a moron. Doesn't mean people want him traded.

[rilamann]

Just rookie level dumb **** by Giannis when we play Philly & Boston.

He's pretty stubborn and as some of the board have said before he's not exactly the smartest player. Put those two things together and you're going to see a lot of stupid **** no matter how good the player is outside of that. You would think he'd grow and learn from that but that isn't really who Giannis is. He wants to run through a brick wall no matter how hard it is.

It's probably both things. Boston and Philly do have the size to make Giannis have to work a bit harder than he does against most teams. But Giannis also appears to feel the pressure of playing those teams from a mental standpoint and gets kind of mind ****.

For example a guy like Grant Williams should have zero chance at defending Giannis. Grant Williams' only chance to stop Giannis is to stand in the paint and then just hope and pray that Giannis keeps trying to barrel into him. It's incredibly frustrating to then watch Giannis proceed to continually barrel into him.

Seems like it's a mental thing and Giannis presses when we play those 2 teams. Like if Grant Williams wasn't wearing a Celtics jersey Giannis would probably make a fool out of out of him.

Just using Grant Williams as one example but it is concerning that Giannis goes brain dead when we play these 2 teams.

[mattg]

Giannis is still a bonehead and Midds has cement shoes. Midds is such a §hitty defender. Cant win them all.

So who would you trade the bonehead for? Who is the divine entity that meets the Milwaukee fan standard?

No one is saying trade Giannis. It's just a testament to how good he can be that he's still so damn dominant and can be among the best players even when he does really stupid stuff. If he was smarter though he'd be a shoe-in top 5 player ever though, just strictly if he had better decision making and floor game, not any increase of skill level.

Admittedly I'm not looking forward to old Giannis having his Westbrookian arc where he is just charging into 3-4 defenders as a 36 year old with half the athleticism he's got now

[PG Graveyard]

Just rookie level dumb **** by Giannis when we play Philly & Boston.

He's pretty stubborn and as some of the board have said before he's not exactly the smartest player. Put those two things together and you're going to see a lot of stupid **** no matter how good the player is outside of that. You would think he'd grow and learn from that but that isn't really who Giannis is. He wants to run through a brick wall no matter how hard it is.

It's probably both things. Boston and Philly do have the size to make Giannis have to work a bit harder than he does against most teams. But Giannis also appears to feels the pressure of playing those teams from a mental standpoint and gets kind of mind ****.

For example a guy like Grant Williams should have zero chance at defending Giannis. Grant Williams' only chance to stop Giannis is to stand in the paint and then just hope and pray that Giannis keeps trying to barrel into him. It's incredibly frustrating to then watch Giannis proceed to continually barrel into him.

Seems like it's a mental thing and Giannis presses when we play those 2 teams. Like if Grant Williams wasn't wearing a Celtics jersey Giannis would probably make a fool out of out of him.

Just using Grant Williams as one example but it is concerning that Giannis goes brain dead when we play these 2 teams.

Yes but these 6’5 linebacker type guys are impossible to play against when they guard bigger guys. They are allowed to grab, hold and push so you can’t drive around them. That’s why Harden hung in there a couple times vs Giannis. Of course he molested him but they won’t call it. You need to be able to shoot against them a little bit or force a double for someone else. Also holding the other team under 80 in a half would help.

[rilamann]

Khris went brain dead doing the fly-by defense on Embiid for the go-ahead 3 with 40 seconds left, there was only 3 seconds on the shot clock. If he gets up on Embiid there wouldn't have been time for Embiid to drive and Khris would have forced him to take a highly contested 3 instead of a wide open pre-game warm up 3.

[mattg]

Just rookie level dumb **** by Giannis when we play Philly & Boston.

He's pretty stubborn and as some of the board have said before he's not exactly the smartest player. Put those two things together and you're going to see a lot of stupid **** no matter how good the player is outside of that. You would think he'd grow and learn from that but that isn't really who Giannis is. He wants to run through a brick wall no matter how hard it is.

It's probably both things. Boston and Philly do have the size to make Giannis have to work a bit harder than he does against most teams. But Giannis also appears to feel the pressure of playing those teams from a mental standpoint and gets kind of mind ****.

For example a guy like Grant Williams should have zero chance at defending Giannis. Grant Williams' only chance to stop Giannis is to stand in the paint and then just hope and pray that Giannis keeps trying to barrel into him. It's incredibly frustrating to then watch Giannis proceed to continually barrel into him.

Seems like it's a mental thing and Giannis presses when we play those 2 teams. Like if Grant Williams wasn't wearing a Celtics jersey Giannis would probably make a fool out of out of him.

Just using Grant Williams as one example but it is concerning that Giannis goes brain dead when we play these 2 teams.

Giannis has done those things against Toronto in 2019 and even the year we won the title he was straight garbage vs Brooklyn as a decision maker and they had Blake effing Griffin guarding him and stuff. Giannis struggles with getting tunnel vision and trying to do everything himself 1on1 and sees himself as an initiator/guard type even though he literally won a title flourishing as a play finisher.

Giannis just struggles offensively vs better teams is all. Better teams are smart about guarding him and Giannis is simply not a player who adjusts, he just keeps coming and hopes he breaks you over time. Most of the time he is able to wear teams down...but when he doesn't it's super ugly (and even when he does its often very ugly which is why he doesn't get the respect from national media and other players some here wish he got)

[Pachinko_]

Giannis is still a bonehead and Midds has cement shoes. Midds is such a §hitty defender. Cant win them all.

So who would you trade the bonehead for? Who is the divine entity that meets the Milwaukee fan standard?

A version of Giannis that isn't a bonehead? What a **** weird reply. Giannis played like a moron. Doesn't mean people want him traded.

I know, I'm so weird
Whereas the normal thing is to call a guy who just had 34/13 fresh off a 16 win streak a bonehead and a moron. I need to get with the program

Just out of curiosity, would you say that to his face? Nah? Yeah that's what I thought.

[blazza18]

So who would you trade the bonehead for? Who is the divine entity that meets the Milwaukee fan standard?

A version of Giannis that isn't a bonehead? What a **** weird reply. Giannis played like a moron. Doesn't mean people want him traded.

I know, I'm so weird
Whereas the normal thing is to call a guy who just had 34/13 fresh off a 16 win streak a bonehead and a moron. I need to get with the program

Just out of curiosity, would you say this to his face?

What does 34/13 mean when he made crucial errors in a loss after we led by 20 points?

He himself would know he wasn't good enough so he doesn't need you holding him up.

[nagawicka]

Guys it was the defense. We scored 130 points on 53/50/90. Bullyball Giannis was efficient scoring in the end.

We lost rebounds, made dumb fouls and send them to the FT line and they made 10-13 tough contested shots at the buzzer to beat our good defense. It happens.

That's a Bucks win 90% of the time.

yep. no idea why theres any discussion related to the offense. i thought the offense was actually kind of nuts

the defense, hustle plays, and normal intangibles youd want to see were whack ass. like we literally gave up 80 points in the 2nd half and 48 points in the 4th qtr. its amazing we werent blown out of the gym

My argument would be that if Giannis isn't going 150% offensively wildly attacking he wouldn't be completely gassed out on defense where he rested the entire 4th quarter and made dumb play after dumb play with the lack of box out, foul on the 3, etc. The staff has to be smarter and take the ball out of Giannis' hands because Giannis is inherently a dumb player, he's not a good decision maker, he can't pace himself, doesn't have a good pulse for the game. You mitigate that by making him a play finisher and less of an initiatior which also keeps him fresher.

+1,000,000,000

[Antinomy]

Games like this are the reason I’d rather keep the #1 seed & avoid Philly in the 2nd round.

Their 3 best players are free throw merchants & could lead to really tough series.

May as well avoid them & draw the Cavs/Knicks.

Let Boston deal with those clowns.

[rilamann]

He's pretty stubborn and as some of the board have said before he's not exactly the smartest player. Put those two things together and you're going to see a lot of stupid **** no matter how good the player is outside of that. You would think he'd grow and learn from that but that isn't really who Giannis is. He wants to run through a brick wall no matter how hard it is.

It's probably both things. Boston and Philly do have the size to make Giannis have to work a bit harder than he does against most teams. But Giannis also appears to feels the pressure of playing those teams from a mental standpoint and gets kind of mind ****.

For example a guy like Grant Williams should have zero chance at defending Giannis. Grant Williams' only chance to stop Giannis is to stand in the paint and then just hope and pray that Giannis keeps trying to barrel into him. It's incredibly frustrating to then watch Giannis proceed to continually barrel into him.

Seems like it's a mental thing and Giannis presses when we play those 2 teams. Like if Grant Williams wasn't wearing a Celtics jersey Giannis would probably make a fool out of out of him.

Just using Grant Williams as one example but it is concerning that Giannis goes brain dead when we play these 2 teams.

Yes but these 6’5 linebacker type guys are impossible to play against when they guard bigger guys. They are allowed to grab, hold and push so you can’t drive around them. That’s why Harden hung in there a couple times vs Giannis. Of course he molested him but they won’t call it. You need to be able to shoot against them a little bit or force a double for someone else. Also holding the other team under 80 in a half would help.

Not having a few post up moves really hurts Giannis against a guy like Grant Williams. Grant Williams is undersized and an aggressive defender. If Giannis had even just like 3 or 4 really good post up moves, Grant Williams wouldn't even be playable against Giannis.

Grant Williams is annoying but I give him some credit, he's one of those guys who will take a charge or an elbow to the face for a defensive stop. I'll Give him that. But it's annoying watching Giannis play into his hands.

[AussieBuck]

Giannis is a giant, different flavoured Kobe. You just have to live with his ego sometimes getting in the way. It's just what it is. At least he's a **** amazing human otherwise. Also he won't be a bonehead enough times over 7 games to be a problem

[Antinomy]

Khris went brain dead doing the fly-by defense on Embiid for the go-ahead 3 with 40 seconds left, there was only 3 seconds on the shot clock. If he gets up on Embiid there wouldn't have been time for Embiid to drive and Khris would have forced him to take a highly contested 3 instead of a wide open pre-game warm up 3.

I don’t know what the hell that was.

Dude was at halfcourt by the time Embiid went into his shooting motion.

[AussieBuck]

It's probably both things. Boston and Philly do have the size to make Giannis have to work a bit harder than he does against most teams. But Giannis also appears to feels the pressure of playing those teams from a mental standpoint and gets kind of mind ****.

For example a guy like Grant Williams should have zero chance at defending Giannis. Grant Williams' only chance to stop Giannis is to stand in the paint and then just hope and pray that Giannis keeps trying to barrel into him. It's incredibly frustrating to then watch Giannis proceed to continually barrel into him.

Seems like it's a mental thing and Giannis presses when we play those 2 teams. Like if Grant Williams wasn't wearing a Celtics jersey Giannis would probably make a fool out of out of him.

Just using Grant Williams as one example but it is concerning that Giannis goes brain dead when we play these 2 teams.

Yes but these 6’5 linebacker type guys are impossible to play against when they guard bigger guys. They are allowed to grab, hold and push so you can’t drive around them. That’s why Harden hung in there a couple times vs Giannis. Of course he molested him but they won’t call it. You need to be able to shoot against them a little bit or force a double for someone else. Also holding the other team under 80 in a half would help.

Not having a few post up moves really hurts Giannis against a guy like Grant Williams. Grant Williams is undersized and an aggressive defender. If Giannis had even just like 3 or 4 really good post up moves, Grant Williams wouldn't even be playable against Giannis.

Grant Williams is annoying but I give him some credit, he's one of those guys who will take a charge or an elbow to the face for a defensive stop. I'll Give him that. But it's annoying watching Giannis play into his hands.

His post moves are fine. It's the selection. Dude needs to be spamming the pump fake

[Milbucks96]

The bucks were up double digits when I had to do something else, listened to them choke the last couple minutes on the radio. Giannis looked bad most the game but still productive in those minutes, sounded like his bad play caught up with him in the 4th. Khris looks bad physically, like really bad. Even his good games, he just looks so old. Pretty scary stuff even when the wins are coming in and everything.

Knew the loss was going to be ugly and frustrating. Hate losing to Philly on such a big regular season stage. Not too much to take away from this one(other than Khris still looking injured). Giannis will always struggle and play ugly against these type of team because that’s his game, for better or worse. Just hope that over a seven game series, the opponents fold and it’s like the suns, and not the other way around like the heat.