Woj: Domantas Sabonis, J. Lamb, J. Holiday Traded to Sacramento for Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, T. Thompson

[sackings916]

Thanks for proving my point. You obviously didn’t see enough of the Kings because the opposite of what you said is true - Haliburton had the ball majority of the time and Fox was off the ball, which is why Fox’s numbers looked horrible the first half of the year and took off once Sabonis was on the team. I would not sit here and act like I know the dynamic of the Sixers because I watched them for a half or 2 last year. And since you know so much about Fox, what was his focus on working on this off-season?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=de%27aaron+fox+usage+rate+and+assist+percentage+with+and+without+haliburton+fox+last+season

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=tyrese+haliburton+usage+rate+and+assist+percentage+with+and+without+de%27aaron+fox+last+season

USG measures FGA, FTA and TO correct? Doesn’t necessarily conclude who is handling the ball majority of the time?

[Hoop Hunter]

There’s no point. Let’s just see how the season plays out and what kind of season Fox has.

Same as crickets. Pretty harsh 1st post telling him that. He made a pretty thought out post. If no point in replying, there's no point in posting it at all.

Nothing I say is altering his view. He obviously has not watched Fox since the trade, this man been putting up about 27-28ppg on 50% FG and 40% 3 since Sabonis been on the team, there’s no mention of Fox’s elite speed or elite ability to get to the rim, and the fact he is top 5 in points in the paint right there with Giannis and Zion. Fox is 24 years old yet being talked about as if he is a finished product.

I appreciate your post here. I hope Sabonis plays good for you. I like Murray a lot.

I'll rooting for you guys, except when you play us of course. I expected us to be real bad, it's early, we still may be. Our young guys are playing a head of schedule so far. I expected you guys push for the playoffs and still may. 6 games rediculess to predict anything.

[sackings916]

Thanks for proving my point. You obviously didn’t see enough of the Kings because the opposite of what you said is true - Haliburton had the ball majority of the time and Fox was off the ball, which is why Fox’s numbers looked horrible the first half of the year and took off once Sabonis was on the team. I would not sit here and act like I know the dynamic of the Sixers because I watched them for a half or 2 last year. And since you know so much about Fox, what was his focus on working on this off-season?

Ehh you have stats to back that up on who had the ball more? That’s honestly not what I remember. I remember Fox being overweight and that contributing to his slow start. And no I don’t know what Fox worked on in the off-season. Don’t see the relevancy, especially since we’re making a comparison here so any small improvement Fox makes I’m sure Haliburton being the younger guy would make at least the same improvement.

Agree to disagree I think is where we’re headed.

It’s relevant because he’s still growing as a player. But yes agree to disagree.

And this here

especially since we’re making a comparison here so any small improvement Fox makes I’m sure Haliburton being the younger guy would make at least the same improvement.

There is just no way to conclude something like that. You can make assumptions I’ll just take the wait and see approach.

[Chuck Everett]

It's not the trading of Halliburton. It's the fact that Sabonis is not an all-star level player in the Western Conference. His EC all-star appearances fooled people into thinking he was better than he was.

[Murray_17]

USG measures FGA, FTA and TO correct? Doesn’t necessarily conclude who is handling the ball majority of the time?

If The difference in USG is that big, is probable that Fox played more on ball than Haliburton because of how both play.

Fox isn't a catch and shoot guy or someone who runs thru screens, so i don't see a way for him to have that much of an usg than Haliburton and having the ball less time in his hands

You can also see this when looking at touches, Fox averaged 82.8 touches last season and Haliburton 76.6

[_NoMas]

Some cracking takes here when the news broke. Personal favourite being that the Kings were better off trading for Ben Simmons over Sabonis…

[Pelon chingon]

It's not the trading of Halliburton. It's the fact that Sabonis is not an all-star level player in the Western Conference. His EC all-star appearances fooled people into thinking he was better than he was.

[AussieCeltic]

I actually don’t mind this trade for either team. Obviously would’ve been better if Kings moved Fox instead of Hali but I think Sabonis is a massive pickup.

Do Pacers plan to keep Brogdon now?

I always love going back and seeing how I reacted to trades.

[HMFFL]

The Kings are having more success but time we tell who won the trade. I believe there is only a three year age gap between Sabonis and Haliburton. Sabonis' Kings getting to the playoffs is a huge leap.

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[lambchop]

The right move in hindsight. A haliburton fox back court wouldn't have cut it. Debatable whether haliburton would have been better than fox for this current kings team.
Congrats for making it back to the playoffs after 20(?) years.

[Wolveswin]

I don’t understand at all what the heck the kings where thinking. Halliburton wasn’t an unknown, he was known in NBA circles as the next star point guard and he cried when getting traded.

If they wanted to pivot, why not trade D. Fox?

I can even imagine a trade with the Raptors, that would’ve gone down like OG + Gary Trent + maybe Precious for Fox.

Kings would’ve been loaded. And it would’ve been an amazing trade.

Just wild.

This.

Fox would have gotten a haul. Probably even more than suggested Raptors trade.

Hali + Murray + players/assets from Fox trade sets Kings for 10+ years.

[BoogieTime]

I don’t understand at all what the heck the kings where thinking. Halliburton wasn’t an unknown, he was known in NBA circles as the next star point guard and he cried when getting traded.

If they wanted to pivot, why not trade D. Fox?

I can even imagine a trade with the Raptors, that would’ve gone down like OG + Gary Trent + maybe Precious for Fox.

Kings would’ve been loaded. And it would’ve been an amazing trade.

Just wild.

This.

Fox would have gotten a haul. Probably even more than suggested Raptors trade.

Hali + Murray + players/assets from Fox trade sets Kings for 10+ years.

no... he had bad advanced stats on both ends and bad efficiency. people were questioning if his contract was positive (just starting a 5 year max)

his value was assessed before Hali was traded.

[shoresy69]

The fact that the Kings are finally making the playoffs automatically makes the trade a massive win for them. I honestly can believe how well it’s worked out. 3-seed and arguably the most exciting team to watch in the league.

[davidfr94]

The fact that the Kings are finally making the playoffs automatically makes the trade a massive win for them. I honestly can believe how well it’s worked out. 3-seed and arguably the most exciting team to watch in the league.

Yeah a really great trade for them.

I thought they were so stupid trading haliburton for an "undersized center that can't defend" (quoting my own words).

Apparently they were not.

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[anotherhomer]

I think people felt Hali would had been the better overall player vs Fox

[Johnny Bball]

The fact that the Kings are finally making the playoffs automatically makes the trade a massive win for them. I honestly can believe how well it’s worked out. 3-seed and arguably the most exciting team to watch in the league.

Yeah a really great trade for them.

I thought they were so stupid trading haliburton for an "undersized center that can't defend" (quoting my own words).

Apparently they were not.

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Haliburton is still the best player in this trade IMO.

[MagicFan12345]

With the Kings most likely making the playoffs for the first time in 17 years, Kings won the trade

[KokoKaizer]

I think this trade was a win for everybody involved

[shi-woo]

Win-Win trade, and something you normally don't see in the modern era any more.

Both teams got what they wanted. Kings make the playoffs and still have enough wiggle room to make significant improvements around Fox/Sabonis/Murray/Huerter

Pacers get the cornerpiece to lead their rebuild, and be just good enough to convince Myles Turner to stay at a far reasonable price. That is something that we simply can't state enough about this trade, I really think Hali's chemistry with Turner, and Sabonis being out of the picture, is what turned the narrative there.

I am curious to see how the King's move foward after this year though. They have the ability to make a trade with Holmes contract, and still have all but one of their picks. They lso have low-key been stocking up on 2nd rounders, so they should have the chances to find rotation players in bargain deals.

If they can turn Holmes/Mitchell/2 frp and some other pieces into an all-star level 3-4 like OG/Bridges/Laurie they will be a staple in the playoffs for years

[shoresy69]

The fact that the Kings are finally making the playoffs automatically makes the trade a massive win for them. I honestly can believe how well it’s worked out. 3-seed and arguably the most exciting team to watch in the league.

Yeah a really great trade for them.

I thought they were so stupid trading haliburton for an "undersized center that can't defend" (quoting my own words).

Apparently they were not.

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Haliburton is still the best player in this trade IMO.

Does that really matter when the TEAM is playing its best ball in nearly 20 years? People really complaining about that aren’t seeing the forest for the trees. Not to mention Sabonis is arguably better than Haliburton.