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JBucks wrote:Does anyone remember — I think Bucks were up four or six midway through fourth — Giannis took some ridiculous turn around fadeaway from FT extended. I was so pissed.
nagawicka wrote:CharityStripe34 wrote:I will agree that the old "PG Giannis from the top of the key" stuff can suck against better teams.
Is that a concession? Because 'PG Giannis from the top of the key" is not playing point guard. It's not having a point guard on the floor at all. Calling your own number because you can't see what doesn't work and won't run what does work, is literally not playing point guard. Some here complain Carter isn't a point guard bc he supposedly doesn't run plays; where are they now.He looks much more dominant in the half-court when we're running him in pick-and-rolls as the screener, getting him into easy lobs or advantageous post-up spots. I wish Bud actually ran more set plays.
Integrated into the flow it works, as one of 5 on the floor, sure. If GA ever played point guard, by initiating actual plays, sure. That works.
Antinomy wrote:Everyone on his team should be open to criticism — no exceptions.
When GA played what I’d consider the worst series of his career vs Miami in 2020, everyone said things needed to change — and they did.
He needs to stop doing so much at this stage. It’s unnecessary.
This isn’t like earlier in the year when we needed him to eat up 90% of the possessions & create. We have a deep roster now that was carving up the Sixers.
The fact we were up 18 when he came in is the frustrating part. And if anyone else would’ve been the catalyst for us blowing that kind of lead, many of you saying we can’t criticize GA would’ve jumped all over them.
ReddoverKobe wrote:Antinomy wrote:Everyone on his team should be open to criticism — no exceptions.
When GA played what I’d consider the worst series of his career vs Miami in 2020, everyone said things needed to change — and they did.
He needs to stop doing so much at this stage. It’s unnecessary.
This isn’t like earlier in the year when we needed him to eat up 90% of the possessions & create. We have a deep roster now that was carving up the Sixers.
The fact we were up 18 when he came in is the frustrating part. And if anyone else would’ve been the catalyst for us blowing that kind of lead, many of you saying we can’t criticize GA would’ve jumped all over them.
It was a lot of plays like that harden three with 1:23 left. Bucks are up four, have played good defense and and then Middelton goes under a screen with 4 secs left on the shot clock. If he does not do that its likely a much tough shot and not a three.
Same as the Embiid three. Terible close out defense.
Antinomy wrote:One interesting thing to note is how Harden specifically targeted Khris the entire 4th instead of Grayson, who was right there for the taking.
I still believe in Khris, but this was not the game.
Krispy Kreme wrote:BigO wrote:Lots of bad takes here and a few good ones. My thoughts:
1) I was at the game and mentioned to my buddy that Khris was limping before the start of the second half.There's something chronic going on. I won't criticize Bud for playing him, but he is NOT the same .
2) I went thru this thread quickly, but I didn't see anything mentioned on how they were guarding Harden in the second half. Crowder came in and was playing Harden on his right shoulder, the opposite of what we'd expect. He did that play after play and my friend and I were yelling at him.
But then Jrue came in and did the same thing, as did Khris. We finally figured out that Bud wanted them to do that. All we could think of is he wanted them to force Harden into Brook.
But it failed miserably. You should always force Harden to his right. Always. Big mistake on Bud. Sometimes coaching can lose you games and this game was lost on defense.
3) The criticism of Giannis is somewhat justified, but barely. Bud runs no plays for him. No post ups. All Giannis does is take the ball from the top and create all on his own. But Bud WANTS him to do that. That's part of Bud's offensive plan, so it's not all on Giannis.
4) Graysons best game. How many other 20 point games has he had this year? Not many. I thought they really ran some nice stuff for him in the second half and once he got his confidence, it was fun to watch.
But he only got one shot off in the first half. He needs to get his shots or he is almost useless on the floor. Yes, his defense isn't bad, but he's a shooting guard and he needs to shoot and the only way he can shoot consistently is if they run some action for him.
5) Maxey may be one of the most underrated players in the league. He's shooting almost 40% on threes and is one of the best finishers in the league. Not sure he is a great defender, but he put on full court pressure the entire game and played over 40 minutes.
Still not worried about Philly, but Bud has to figure out how to handle Harden better than he did in the second half.
They all were playing Harden on his right shoulder. To me it seemed like an intentional team defense strategy. They were funneling him left.
Milbucks96 wrote:Antinomy wrote:One interesting thing to note is how Harden specifically targeted Khris the entire 4th instead of Grayson, who was right there for the taking.
I still believe in Khris, but this was not the game.
Yea that was eye opening, Khris’s defense has stayed solid even as his effort has become inconsistent over the last couple regular season. When he would lock in, he was still a solid on ball wing defender. But he was trying pretty hard out there and he looked bad, that’s worrying. I believe in Khris the player and his skills, I don’t believe in his knee anymore.
-Jragon- wrote:Also it's gross when Giannis had Harden on him and he faded away... wtf was he going to do
Chessboxer wrote:Krispy Kreme wrote:BigO wrote:Lots of bad takes here and a few good ones. My thoughts:
1) I was at the game and mentioned to my buddy that Khris was limping before the start of the second half.There's something chronic going on. I won't criticize Bud for playing him, but he is NOT the same .
2) I went thru this thread quickly, but I didn't see anything mentioned on how they were guarding Harden in the second half. Crowder came in and was playing Harden on his right shoulder, the opposite of what we'd expect. He did that play after play and my friend and I were yelling at him.
But then Jrue came in and did the same thing, as did Khris. We finally figured out that Bud wanted them to do that. All we could think of is he wanted them to force Harden into Brook.
But it failed miserably. You should always force Harden to his right. Always. Big mistake on Bud. Sometimes coaching can lose you games and this game was lost on defense.
3) The criticism of Giannis is somewhat justified, but barely. Bud runs no plays for him. No post ups. All Giannis does is take the ball from the top and create all on his own. But Bud WANTS him to do that. That's part of Bud's offensive plan, so it's not all on Giannis.
4) Graysons best game. How many other 20 point games has he had this year? Not many. I thought they really ran some nice stuff for him in the second half and once he got his confidence, it was fun to watch.
But he only got one shot off in the first half. He needs to get his shots or he is almost useless on the floor. Yes, his defense isn't bad, but he's a shooting guard and he needs to shoot and the only way he can shoot consistently is if they run some action for him.
5) Maxey may be one of the most underrated players in the league. He's shooting almost 40% on threes and is one of the best finishers in the league. Not sure he is a great defender, but he put on full court pressure the entire game and played over 40 minutes.
Still not worried about Philly, but Bud has to figure out how to handle Harden better than he did in the second half.
They all were playing Harden on his right shoulder. To me it seemed like an intentional team defense strategy. They were funneling him left.
Giannis actually said this in the post game interview
PG Graveyard wrote:-Jragon- wrote:Also it's gross when Giannis had Harden on him and he faded away... wtf was he going to do
It’s hard to drive on Harden because he gets away with just holding Giannis. The one thing the Bucks should have done more in the 4th was hunt Niang to try to get him off the floor. Although we did score 31 points in the 4th so offense wasn’t the problem.
nagawicka wrote:JBucks wrote:Does anyone remember — I think Bucks were up four or six midway through fourth — Giannis took some ridiculous turn around fadeaway from FT extended. I was so pissed.
YES. I mean how was that necessary. Or even useful. Or even a bright idea at that stage of the game.
