Susan wrote:Dupp wrote:Cyril looked awful
No, Jones is the goat GOAT. Greatest fighter ever.
Both can be true. Cyril never looked that bad and scared on the feet. Fight was over before it started
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Susan wrote:Dupp wrote:Cyril looked awful
No, Jones is the goat GOAT. Greatest fighter ever.
Susan wrote:Curtis Blaydes would be the guy I'd predict beats Jones.
Really good wrestler, actually bigger than Jones and has elite length to match Jones' kickboxing and his power double is really freaking good.
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Jasen777 wrote:Dupp wrote:Also Dana basically saying Francis is never welcome back in the ufc is peak douchebaggery. Man is such a massive pos.
Also tried to say he doesn’t have money. Said he’s be broke if he took off 3 years like Jon. Man just lies through his teeth about everything
Anything is possible.
Headliner wrote:Jones is going to fight Stipe next, if he wins I bet he retires.
There’s nothing left for him to gain. Beat the HW goat and claim his title forever.
REDDzone wrote:Susan wrote:Curtis Blaydes would be the guy I'd predict beats Jones.
Really good wrestler, actually bigger than Jones and has elite length to match Jones' kickboxing and his power double is really freaking good.
Page 2 of this thread you say Jones is "the greatest fighter of all time". And then on page 3 it's "actually Curtis Blaydes can beat him". Lol wut???
Just a laughable claim man. Nobody, including Daniel Cormier, out wrestles Jones in MMA. Period. The HW division is at his mercy unless Francis somehow returns which isn't going to happen. Jamahal's weak @ss better hope old man Stipe isn't out for TOO long lest Jones decide to come take his 205 title back with ease too.
Forget the asterixes for a minute...Jon Jones is by far the greatest fighter who has ever lived.
Headliner wrote:Jones is going to fight Stipe next, if he wins I bet he retires.
There’s nothing left for him to gain. Beat the HW goat and claim his title forever.
REDDzone wrote:Susan wrote:Curtis Blaydes would be the guy I'd predict beats Jones.
Really good wrestler, actually bigger than Jones and has elite length to match Jones' kickboxing and his power double is really freaking good.
Page 2 of this thread you say Jones is "the greatest fighter of all time". And then on page 3 it's "actually Curtis Blaydes can beat him". Lol wut???
Just a laughable claim man. Nobody, including Daniel Cormier, out wrestles Jones in MMA. Period. The HW division is at his mercy unless Francis somehow returns which isn't going to happen. Jamahal's weak @ss better hope old man Stipe isn't out for TOO long lest Jones decide to come take his 205 title back with ease too.
Forget the asterixes for a minute...Jon Jones is by far the greatest fighter who has ever lived.
Headliner wrote:Jones is going to fight Stipe next, if he wins I bet he retires.
There’s nothing left for him to gain. Beat the HW goat and claim his title forever.
Susan wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Jones was a Greco guy, right? So TDs require clinches, which won't be easy against a guy with Gane's footwork.
Then again, Gane has fought a lot of stationary dudes recently. Lewis and Taivusa. So it's hard to know what he looks like against another guy who is elusive, doesn't take (m)any direct strikes, and fights at length.
Jones didn't have any actual time doing Greco - he legit taught himself it via YouTube back when YouTube was far less advanced than it is right now. He's an absolute savant and he was doing absurd throws on dudes in the UFC that he taught himself on YouTube and embarrassing fools.
Gane called himself lazy in the build up for this fight - he looked so pathetic on the ground against Francis and IMO Jones would embarrass Francis in a grappling match fairly easily. Physically Jones and Gane are probably really similar but Jones is without question the smartest grappler not named Khabib in the history of the sport. Jones just has to get him down once and that fight is over.
Watched the highlights of Jones/Gus 2 because I think it lays the best case that Jones' decline was from disinterest and not physical decline - he ran through Gus like a knife though butter in 2018 when he was at his absolute peak of dominance in 2013 in his razor close win in the first fight.
cowboyronnie wrote:Headliner wrote:Jones is going to fight Stipe next, if he wins I bet he retires.
There’s nothing left for him to gain. Beat the HW goat and claim his title forever.
$3 million or so a fight is to gain, that ain't bad. And that's direct money, not including him being able to sustain his sponsors and so on.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
NO-KG-AI wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Headliner wrote:Jones is going to fight Stipe next, if he wins I bet he retires.
There’s nothing left for him to gain. Beat the HW goat and claim his title forever.
$3 million or so a fight is to gain, that ain't bad. And that's direct money, not including him being able to sustain his sponsors and so on.
Francis said his offer for the Jones fight was like 8 million. Have to think Jon is around that area at least.
cowboyronnie wrote:Susan wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Jones was a Greco guy, right? So TDs require clinches, which won't be easy against a guy with Gane's footwork.
Then again, Gane has fought a lot of stationary dudes recently. Lewis and Taivusa. So it's hard to know what he looks like against another guy who is elusive, doesn't take (m)any direct strikes, and fights at length.
Jones didn't have any actual time doing Greco - he legit taught himself it via YouTube back when YouTube was far less advanced than it is right now. He's an absolute savant and he was doing absurd throws on dudes in the UFC that he taught himself on YouTube and embarrassing fools.
Gane called himself lazy in the build up for this fight - he looked so pathetic on the ground against Francis and IMO Jones would embarrass Francis in a grappling match fairly easily. Physically Jones and Gane are probably really similar but Jones is without question the smartest grappler not named Khabib in the history of the sport. Jones just has to get him down once and that fight is over.
Watched the highlights of Jones/Gus 2 because I think it lays the best case that Jones' decline was from disinterest and not physical decline - he ran through Gus like a knife though butter in 2018 when he was at his absolute peak of dominance in 2013 in his razor close win in the first fight.
Oh, amazing. I'm not even surprised. He's so clearly a straight-up genius for...whatever, leverage or physical contact or however you would categorize it. He seriously should be studied for spatial or physical reasoning by cognitive scientists.
And between the possibilities of athleticism and the possibilities of technique, there is Jon Jones. At 21 years old, with less than a year of pro MMA experience, Jonny Bones has already handled two very serviceable light heavyweights in Andre Gusmao and Stephan Bonnar. Moreover, he has done it with his own distinct brand of hyper-offense, where spinning back elbows are as likely as high-amplitude harai goshi, where flying front kicks are as likely as textbook lateral drops.
MMA has had its share of precocious prospects, but few have had the unique style of dynamism that Jones has. He is an athletic marvel, and not in the hackneyed fast-twitch muscle fiber, "explosive and athletic" way. Jones' coordination, leverage and body control are all amazing natural gifts that only reinforce his nature instincts in the cage. This is a future top-10 fighter who could fight for the next decade. Hell, the way sports medicine is going, maybe two decades (again, fingers crossed, knock on wood). And now, with less than a year's experience, he already makes MMA look like pro wrestling with his knack for hurling humans. Jones is a startling, tantalizing glimpse into the sorts of future MMA may have as similar specimens continue to pour in.
Susan wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Susan wrote:
Jones didn't have any actual time doing Greco - he legit taught himself it via YouTube back when YouTube was far less advanced than it is right now. He's an absolute savant and he was doing absurd throws on dudes in the UFC that he taught himself on YouTube and embarrassing fools.
Gane called himself lazy in the build up for this fight - he looked so pathetic on the ground against Francis and IMO Jones would embarrass Francis in a grappling match fairly easily. Physically Jones and Gane are probably really similar but Jones is without question the smartest grappler not named Khabib in the history of the sport. Jones just has to get him down once and that fight is over.
Watched the highlights of Jones/Gus 2 because I think it lays the best case that Jones' decline was from disinterest and not physical decline - he ran through Gus like a knife though butter in 2018 when he was at his absolute peak of dominance in 2013 in his razor close win in the first fight.
Oh, amazing. I'm not even surprised. He's so clearly a straight-up genius for...whatever, leverage or physical contact or however you would categorize it. He seriously should be studied for spatial or physical reasoning by cognitive scientists.
Here's what was written about Jones in 2009:And between the possibilities of athleticism and the possibilities of technique, there is Jon Jones. At 21 years old, with less than a year of pro MMA experience, Jonny Bones has already handled two very serviceable light heavyweights in Andre Gusmao and Stephan Bonnar. Moreover, he has done it with his own distinct brand of hyper-offense, where spinning back elbows are as likely as high-amplitude harai goshi, where flying front kicks are as likely as textbook lateral drops.
MMA has had its share of precocious prospects, but few have had the unique style of dynamism that Jones has. He is an athletic marvel, and not in the hackneyed fast-twitch muscle fiber, "explosive and athletic" way. Jones' coordination, leverage and body control are all amazing natural gifts that only reinforce his nature instincts in the cage. This is a future top-10 fighter who could fight for the next decade. Hell, the way sports medicine is going, maybe two decades (again, fingers crossed, knock on wood). And now, with less than a year's experience, he already makes MMA look like pro wrestling with his knack for hurling humans. Jones is a startling, tantalizing glimpse into the sorts of future MMA may have as similar specimens continue to pour in.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/2/3/745223/bloody-elbow-judo-chop-jon
Just so freaking far ahead of everybody. DC was his only worthy rival.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
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