Jokic vs. Kobe- defense only

[Colbinii]

This A case study on why advance defense metrics are useless.

That isn't true. You just need to understand what the statistics are saying in order to use them correctly.

Most defensive "Advanced Metrics" [I assume you mean things like DBPM, which isn't even referenced in the OP] factor in rebounding and other variables to attempt to capture defense.

What OP used was simply +/- [Specifically On/Off]. I don't consider On/Off as an Advanced Metric, do you?

As a counterpoint, Jokic peaked as a 9.2 OBPM player while Kobe was 7.4 OBPM. Most agree Jokic is a better offensive player than Kobe. Does this mean Advanced Metrics are, in fact, not useless?

A metric like BPM does alot better tracking offense than it would defense

Correct. I misread the original post and thought it read "advance metrics are useless"

[OhayoKD]

It might be closer than expected in regular season but you can blame some of Denver's playoff losses on Jokic defense

Kobe's defense generally improved in the playoffs yeah

[OhayoKD]

This A case study on why advance defense metrics are useless.

That isn't true. You just need to understand what the statistics are saying in order to use them correctly.

Most defensive "Advanced Metrics" [I assume you mean things like DBPM, which isn't even referenced in the OP] factor in rebounding and other variables to attempt to capture defense.

What OP used was simply +/- [Specifically On/Off]. I don't consider On/Off as an Advanced Metric, do you?

As a counterpoint, Jokic peaked as a 9.2 OBPM player while Kobe was 7.4 OBPM. Most agree Jokic is a better offensive player than Kobe. Does this mean Advanced Metrics are, in fact, not useless?

Plus minus is definitely considered an advance stat? OBPM even has it in its name ?

Not much of a counter point since if you score efficiency and assist you are a good offensive player. Meanwhile on defense, rebounds, blocks and steals don’t mean you are a good defensive player. Apple and oranges there. Offensive advance stats do a way better job correlating if a player is good or not than defensive stats.

I suppose what is considered "advanced" is subjective, but on/off doesn't do anything with steals or blocks, it's just a measure of what happens when you're on the court vs when you're off it. Crude, but it threotically includes alot of the things not captured by box-score or box-score aggregates, so it has some value there granted you apply context and look at other stuff.

Given, as you say, blocks/steals don't tell you how good a defender is, looking at how defenses are affected by a player is pretty essential