Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[BoyzNTheHood]

Jalen Hood Schifino has a BPM of 0.9 How is that even possible? You can't draft that kid.

Yep, it’s bad. And as much as I’ve vouched for him early on it’s tough to defend him at times. The skills are there, but he needs a lot of work. The good thing is he’s young.

[Rapsfan07]

Jalen Hood Schifino has a BPM of 0.9 How is that even possible? You can't draft that kid.

I was high on him at the beginning of the season since he was mocked in the middle of the second round at that time.

Now, I see various boards having him in the lottery. Taking him there would be a huge mistake.

Still, I think he has the chance to be a backup PG at the next level, I think somewhere in the 25-30 range is reasonable for a guy like him.

[grant101]

Nothing that I can argue for at the moment. As is he needs a lot of the same space on the court as Pascal and Scottie, but if he develops a jump shot he has the potential to be very good

He's incredible at creating for himself and getting to the basket (a little like nick smith jr, but gets to the basket more, and has more pop), and is a great passer, so I see a world where he's leading an NBA offence. We haven't had a guard like him on this team in years. He's also decent-sized, very long for his height, and a really good onball defender (at least from what you can gather from watching syracuse's gimmicky zone).

I have faith his 3pt shot comes around (his touch is so good), but you gotta really believe it and be patient to draft him (cause like i said, the shot is not great and the form is wierd). I almost hate to say it, but the player he reminds me of coming out of college is SGA (aside from the shot, though SGA wasn'tsome sniper at UK).

Come on, don't compare Mintz to Nick Smith Jr. (poor guy is really disrespected on this board). First of all he plays for Syracuse who tend to have bad outcomes. Part of that is they play zone and not man to man so it's hard to see what kind of defender he will be. Plus Mintz fouls too much. Technically he's a 6'3" shooting / combo guard. 45/30/75. Nick Smith is 6'5" - 40/34/78 (that includes bad post injury games). I looked at a Mintz game then a Smith Jr. game and the first thing that popped out was quickness. Smith Jr in the open court is a blur. Plus his first step allows him to blow by his defender. Mintz doesn't have that burst. Mintz powers his way to the basket so he's in the paint more but he gets blocked more. Smith Jr. definitely has better position and that might be because he's taller.

Not saying he's a bad player. Just saying he's not a lotto player and there are better options at our pick. If we can get Nick Smith Jr for whatever reason, it would help the team tremendously. He's quick. He's long (6'8") so he can be a shorter long boi. He can score at all three levels. He has good vision / playmaker. He can guard 1,2. He can play on and off the ball. However he won't be available and there will be better options than Mintz. Sasser might be a better option than Mintz.

Wasn't suggesting Judah was better than Nick, just that there are similarities. They are both long, lean, combo-sized guards that can get to where they want on the court and have great touch inside the arc. They're also similarly skilled on-ball defenders. NSJ is miles better as a shooter, no doubt. He also pushes in in transition harder than most (I agree, he's a blur with the ball in his hands). That said, I do worry about NSJ's shot diet. He just doesn't get to the rim as often as he should. He's in love with that floater (which is pretty, no doubt). NSJ may have Judah beat when it comes to north-south speed, but to me Judah has more a knack at getting to the rim and vert to finish when he's there. I would not say Judah "powers his way to the basket" either. He's extremely slinky, always has his man off -balance, and has great change of pace. also like Judah's playmaking more (I think he has a chance to be a legit lead guard).

I take your point about the zone making it hard to evaluate the defence, but from what I've seen, he's got great instincts, good hands and really fast feet. He's also had a couple really impressive chase down blocks

All that said, I still have NSJ well ahead of Judah (for shooting and shooting confidence alone), but it's probably a moot point, cause I don't think NSJ makes it to the Raps' spot. e. I'm also not advocating for the Raps to take Judah, just that he's a really intriguing prospect that has the chance to make whoever drafts him late in the first/early second look like a genius

Between Sasser and Mintz is an interesting philosophical debate - I like them both. Judah is three years younger and has far more upside IMO (plus, gives us a potential shot creator we've been after for forever). But there's a legit chance his 3pt shot never comes around and he's out of the league in a couple years. On the other hand, Sasser is ready to play now, would get rotation minutes on this team today and is a dog on defence. He's also definitively not a pg, and the upside for short combos of his archetype is limited. Tough call. I have others ranked ahead of these two, but I'd also be happy if either was the choice.

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Jalen Hood Schifino has a BPM of 0.9 How is that even possible? You can't draft that kid.

I was high on him at the beginning of the season since he was mocked in the middle of the second round at that time.

Now, I see various boards having him in the lottery. Taking him there would be a huge mistake.

Still, I think he has the chance to be a backup PG at the next level, I think somewhere in the 25-30 range is reasonable for a guy like him.

I guess it shows how much Trayce Jackson-Davis (BPM = 15) means to Indiana.

JHS is not even a combo guard in the NBA. I think he'll be a dime a dozen, backup SG.

To me at best he'll be a Gerald Henderson level player off the bench.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Jalen Hood Schifino has a BPM of 0.9 How is that even possible? You can't draft that kid.

I was high on him at the beginning of the season since he was mocked in the middle of the second round at that time.

Now, I see various boards having him in the lottery. Taking him there would be a huge mistake.

Still, I think he has the chance to be a backup PG at the next level, I think somewhere in the 25-30 range is reasonable for a guy like him.

He has to go back to school, and I'm sure NBA teams will tell him that. There's baselines that have to be met or you are just not an NBA player. It's hard to find meaningful NBA players with a draft year BPM under 5.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Jett Howard BPM +5.5.
Dariq Whitehead +2.4.
Tarquavion Smith +4
GG Jackson -.2
Maxwell Lewis +1.8
Cam Whitmore 5.7

Not good enough this year.

[Rapsfan07]

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Maxwell Lewis has a truly multidimensional offensive game which neither JHS or Howard come close to demonstrating. Between the three and considering 3 point shooting is one of the areas young players can make real and significant improvements in quickly, Lewis is clearly the superior prospect. Add his coach saying that he's never had a player improve so quickly as much as he did and you're looking at a potentially special NBA player.

His length helps make his release point difficult to contest and his array of midrange moves and shots bode well for him and his 2ptfg efficiency means that if he can improve his 3 point shooting you are looking at a guard who can score it at a 48%+ fg rate on volume in the league which is elite offensive production from a guard.

His 3 point shot does look like it has a hitch in it but if a team thinks they can correct it the rest is pretty special in terms of offense.

[Kevin Willis]

Jett Howard BPM +5.5.
Dariq Whitehead +2.4.
Tarquavion Smith +4
GG Jackson -.2
Maxwell Lewis +1.8
Cam Whitmore 5.7

Not good enough this year.

Could you compile a list of the guys that should be in the lotto? I think it would be easy to see the difference in quality.

[Dalek]

Colby Jones is quickly becoming my favorite safe bet as a role player. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane in a way where he is pretty much popping off the page in almost every stat but only is held back by being 21 at the draft and not a superior athlete:

7 BPM
61 TS%
33 FTR
23 AST%
2.3 STL%
63 At-the-rim %
40 3P%

Plays in the Big East which can be a grinding tough slog but shows he can play with good competition. His above college numbers compare well with Derrick White, Sam Merrill, and James Harden who were all bigger sized combos.

Toronto could like Jones because they love to see size, and steady improvement and he made a big improvement this year in shooting and playmaking (previous year he had a 29 3P%). At 6'6 he can play a bit of point while giving up little on the defensive end. Basically he is a nice fit with a Scottie because he can shoot and handle the ball some and defend.

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[Rapsfan07]

Maxwell Lewis has a truly multidimensional offensive game which neither JHS or Howard come close to demonstrating. Between the three and considering 3 point shooting is one of the areas young players can make real and significant improvements in quickly, Lewis is clearly the superior prospect. Add his coach saying that he's never had a player improve so quickly as much as he did and you're looking at a potentially special NBA player.

His length helps make his release point difficult to contest and his array of midrange moves and shots bode well for him and his 2ptfg efficiency means that if he can improve his 3 point shooting you are looking at a guard who can score it at a 48%+ fg rate on volume in the league which is elite offensive production from a guard.

His 3 point shot does look like it has a hitch in it but if a team thinks they can correct it the rest is pretty special in terms of offense.

Lewis is another prospect I've been championing on this board for a while.

For the record, I don't think we could take him even if we had an additional pick as our front office doesn't like scoring. But I do think that he has the chance to be special. He has a really deep bag of moves to get his shot off and he does shoot it at a pretty impressive clip from midrange and deep range. He also has pretty decent athleticism as well and can make a play here or there.

Would really, really like to add him. Especially if we plan on moving OG but either way, I really think Lewis has a chance to be a quality wing player.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Jett Howard BPM +5.5.
Dariq Whitehead +2.4.
Tarquavion Smith +4
GG Jackson -.2
Maxwell Lewis +1.8
Cam Whitmore 5.7

Not good enough this year.

Could you compile a list of the guys that should be in the lotto? I think it would be easy to see the difference in quality.

It's pretty early for that. Under the premise that there's about 15 NBA players in every draft, I like these guys so far:

Wemby, Scoot, Hendricks, Wallace, Dick, Walker, Thompson, Thompson, Hawkins, Leonard Miller, Black, Rupert, Jones, Podziemski, Coulibaly.

[Rapsfan07]

Colby Jones is quickly becoming my favorite safe bet as a role player. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane in a way where he is pretty much popping off the page in almost every stat but only is held back by being 21 at the draft and not a superior athlete:

7 BPM
61 TS%
33 FTR
23 AST%
2.3 STL%
63 At-the-rim %
40 3P%

Plays in the Big East which can be a grinding tough slog but shows he can play with good competition. His above college numbers compare well with Derrick White, Sam Merrill, and James Harden who were all bigger sized combos.

Toronto could like Jones because they love to see size, and steady improvement and he made a big improvement this year in shooting and playmaking (previous year he had a 29 3P%). At 6'6 he can play a bit of point while giving up little on the defensive end. Basically he is a nice fit with a Scottie because he can shoot and handle the ball some and defend.

Scoring in the halfcourt and in close:

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Jones is another guy I've talked about quite a bit on here. He literally does everything well, but not amazing at any one thing. I've said this before but I think he has the chance to return Top 10 value in a potential future redraft. I really think this guy and he would solve a lot of our guard, shooting and ball-handling needs.

The more I look into this draft, the more I like the back half crop.

Jones, Hendricks and Lewis are my top preferences in the late first round. The second tier is Cissoko and Bufkin.

EDIT: I also like Podziemski in that second tier as well.

[WuTang_CMB]

Max Lewis has fallen off and his defense isn't all that great. I'm taking Hendricks over him every day of the week

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Maxwell Lewis has a truly multidimensional offensive game which neither JHS or Howard come close to demonstrating. Between the three and considering 3 point shooting is one of the areas young players can make real and significant improvements in quickly, Lewis is clearly the superior prospect. Add his coach saying that he's never had a player improve so quickly as much as he did and you're looking at a potentially special NBA player.

His length helps make his release point difficult to contest and his array of midrange moves and shots bode well for him and his 2ptfg efficiency means that if he can improve his 3 point shooting you are looking at a guard who can score it at a 48%+ fg rate on volume in the league which is elite offensive production from a guard.

His 3 point shot does look like it has a hitch in it but if a team thinks they can correct it the rest is pretty special in terms of offense.

Lewis is another prospect I've been championing on this board for a while.

For the record, I don't think we could take him even if we had an additional pick as our front office doesn't like scoring. But I do think that he has the chance to be special. He has a really deep bag of moves to get his shot off and he does shoot it at a pretty impressive clip from midrange and deep range. He also has pretty decent athleticism as well and can make a play here or there.

Would really, really like to add him. Especially if we plan on moving OG but either way, I really think Lewis has a chance to be a quality wing player.

The Raps FO overemphasizing high deflection and steal potential as prerequisites for their "type" of player over eFG% might be the mountain Masai dies on but I believe he has learned his lesson already.

I watched a video the other day analyzing college basketball and various stats which determine win conditions and while teams who win the turnover battle win ~63% of the games and offensive rebounding battle ~60% of the games the effective field goal percentage winner wins ~83% of the games.

No thing done on the court impacts the outcomes of games as much as hitting shots and making opponents miss shots. Furthermore, deflections and steals have absolutely nothing to do with efficient defense as evidenced by an argument made regarding GTJ and how people believe he is a good defender when he allows who he is guarding to shoot high %s. Deflections/steals and defense are like a meat eater and a vegan.

The #1 thing I take from all this given the nature of these statistics is that the Raptors need to bring in guys who have the potential to have high NBA eFG%s while providing adequate dFG% rates (which may be masquerading behind poor stl/blk stats) because while 3 point shooting can be improved in most cases, it is a lot more difficult to improve one's ability to score from 2 pt range whether that be finishing at the rim or in the midrange. Guys who score efficiently from the 2 in college and who appear to do it with their fair share of ISO plays and on growing volume, tend to have much higher potential to become elite NBA players.

Lewis is shooting 53% from 2 as a guard and if his coach is raving about how quickly he has improved in college you have to wonder just how much upside there is because it looks like there could be a ton.

[Kevin Willis]

Colby Jones is quickly becoming my favorite safe bet as a role player. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane in a way where he is pretty much popping off the page in almost every stat but only is held back by being 21 at the draft and not a superior athlete:

7 BPM
61 TS%
33 FTR
23 AST%
2.3 STL%
63 At-the-rim %
40 3P%

Plays in the Big East which can be a grinding tough slog but shows he can play with good competition. His above college numbers compare well with Derrick White, Sam Merrill, and James Harden who were all bigger sized combos.

Toronto could like Jones because they love to see size, and steady improvement and he made a big improvement this year in shooting and playmaking (previous year he had a 29 3P%). At 6'6 he can play a bit of point while giving up little on the defensive end. Basically he is a nice fit with a Scottie because he can shoot and handle the ball some and defend.

Scoring in the halfcourt and in close:

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Versatile offense:

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One of my favourites as a big, playmaking combo guard that can shoot. He's built strong like a Bane. He's a good defender. I agree he's a great fit for this club. Not as athletic but meh. Also can't find his wingspan anywhere. Still if we want a player with a higher floor I would take him, he will contribute right away.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

And for the argument I just made it also is the reason why I like Keyontae Johnson. He has NBA player written all over him. He scoring ability is phenomenal and it doesn't look like he's going to slow down any time soon even against NBA players.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Max Lewis has fallen off and his defense isn't all that great. I'm taking Hendricks over him every day of the week

They are two different players who will operate in different areas of the floor in the NBA. As it stands this team has no spot for Hendricks as he operates in a lot of the areas Barnes does especially inside. The Raptors need players who can operate well from the top of the arc and guard opponents' players who operate from the same area while on defense.