Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[WaltFrazier]

Huh? I'm sure he blew by Barnes a few times, not sure how "defended by" is measured.

He did most of his damage in the first half. Went 6/6 from the field when Siakam was the primary defender guarding him at one point.

Shot worse than 30% from the field in the 2nd half when Scottie switched to him.

Scottie didn’t do a good job of containing Kuzma’s dribble penetration though, Kuzma wasn’t making his shots against Scottie but he got to the FT line.

Kuz had a solid game, but he didn't have great efficiency overall (10-24 from the field, 54 TS%). Overall, he was defended fine. Beal was held in check.

The bigger issue was Gafford/Porzingis went a combined 16/22 for 43 points. This was a game Poeltl needed to play a very big role, yet he only ended up with 31 minutes, most of which came in the 2nd half when the game was out of reach.

Paul Jones on Raptors Today said the Raps don't keep the ball in front of them well enough, which causes Jak to have to rotate too much which gave Gafford easy shots off passes. Fred Scottie Pascal and some bench guys give up too much penetration

[HumbleRen]

He did most of his damage in the first half. Went 6/6 from the field when Siakam was the primary defender guarding him at one point.

Shot worse than 30% from the field in the 2nd half when Scottie switched to him.

Scottie didn’t do a good job of containing Kuzma’s dribble penetration though, Kuzma wasn’t making his shots against Scottie but he got to the FT line.

Kuz had a solid game, but he didn't have great efficiency overall (10-24 from the field, 54 TS%). Overall, he was defended fine. Beal was held in check.

The bigger issue was Gafford/Porzingis went a combined 16/22 for 43 points. This was a game Poeltl needed to play a very big role, yet he only ended up with 31 minutes, most of which came in the 2nd half when the game was out of reach.

Paul Jones on Raptors Today said the Raps don't keep the ball in front of them well enough, which causes Jak to have to rotate too much which gave Gafford easy shots off passes. Fred Scottie Pascal and some bench guys give up too much penetration

It’s because our defensive system promotes bad defensive flaws.

Read on Twitter

Nurse has them pressing on non shooters so they can cause turnovers, know what happens when you don’t commit the turnover ? They blow by you with ease because any player can blow by a defender when you’re basically in their chest.

It’s a vicious cycle where we have to rely on gimmicks with defence to fuel our offence because we’re so inept at traditional offence.

[WaltFrazier]

Kuz had a solid game, but he didn't have great efficiency overall (10-24 from the field, 54 TS%). Overall, he was defended fine. Beal was held in check.

The bigger issue was Gafford/Porzingis went a combined 16/22 for 43 points. This was a game Poeltl needed to play a very big role, yet he only ended up with 31 minutes, most of which came in the 2nd half when the game was out of reach.

Paul Jones on Raptors Today said the Raps don't keep the ball in front of them well enough, which causes Jak to have to rotate too much which gave Gafford easy shots off passes. Fred Scottie Pascal and some bench guys give up too much penetration

It’s because our defensive system promotes bad defensive flaws.

Read on Twitter

Nurse has them pressing on non shooters so they can cause turnovers, know what happens when you don’t commit the turnover ? They blow by you with ease because any player can blow by a defender when you’re basically in their chest.

It’s a vicious cycle where we have to rely on gimmicks with defence to fuel our offence because we’re so inept at traditional offence.

Yeah especially now with Jakob in the paint we should back off a step on the perimeter to keep guys in front. Don't play everyone the same. As Will Lou said some guys you can go under screens, play it more conservative

[OakleyDokely]

Raptors, net rating leaders (minimum 700 minutes played)

1. Barnes: +2.7
2. Siakam: +1.9
3. VanVleet: +1.4
4. OG: +1.2

[nikster]

Paul Jones on Raptors Today said the Raps don't keep the ball in front of them well enough, which causes Jak to have to rotate too much which gave Gafford easy shots off passes. Fred Scottie Pascal and some bench guys give up too much penetration

It’s because our defensive system promotes bad defensive flaws.

Read on Twitter

Nurse has them pressing on non shooters so they can cause turnovers, know what happens when you don’t commit the turnover ? They blow by you with ease because any player can blow by a defender when you’re basically in their chest.

It’s a vicious cycle where we have to rely on gimmicks with defence to fuel our offence because we’re so inept at traditional offence.

Yeah especially now with Jakob in the paint we should back off a step on the perimeter to keep guys in front. Don't play everyone the same. As Will Lou said some guys you can go under screens, play it more conservative

Maybe they figure in the playoffs good teams will be full of shooters and it's best to play everyone like a threat so that it comes more naturally in the playoffs.

[cbosh4mvp]

I sometimes critisize Barnes for not being a natural scorer given that he hasnt even cracked 30 points this entire season. But I just thought about it... If you give Barnes the keys to the team, it's likely he would average 20-22ppg in this year which is his second season. Its also not certain if we'd be a worse team or not. Interesting to say the least. This off season will be a dire one.

[ItsDanger]

I want Scottie to be a 20 PPG scorer, 9 APG and stuff the stat sheet type player. Needs a high IQ scorer as running mate.

[raptor jesus]

He did most of his damage in the first half. Went 6/6 from the field when Siakam was the primary defender guarding him at one point.

Shot worse than 30% from the field in the 2nd half when Scottie switched to him.

Scottie didn’t do a good job of containing Kuzma’s dribble penetration though, Kuzma wasn’t making his shots against Scottie but he got to the FT line.

Kuz had a solid game, but he didn't have great efficiency overall (10-24 from the field, 54 TS%). Overall, he was defended fine. Beal was held in check.

The bigger issue was Gafford/Porzingis went a combined 16/22 for 43 points. This was a game Poeltl needed to play a very big role, yet he only ended up with 31 minutes, most of which came in the 2nd half when the game was out of reach.

Paul Jones on Raptors Today said the Raps don't keep the ball in front of them well enough, which causes Jak to have to rotate too much which gave Gafford easy shots off passes. Fred Scottie Pascal and some bench guys give up too much penetration

Last week during a game Dowtin cut off a drive and made the ball handler retreat. It was actually jarring to witness, because I'm so used to seeing the entire team playing Calderon-style defence, rolling out the red carpet to the rim.

[Vampirate]

I wonder what are the odds of Scottie getting traded in the off season.

Siakam/Yakub/Scottie are a terrible fit long term wise imo.

Hopefully he's traded. His value will only diminish as he loses the potential label and gets closer to extension time.

I don't see any trade that makes sense at this time though. We'll see what disgruntled star becomes available this summer. I'd love to get Jalen Williams for him but I legit think OKC would decline lmao.

I just hope they do something.

Siakam and Scottie are a yucky pairing, pick one and trade the other.

Siakam doesn't lead us anywhere, he needs to be a Robin with a Batman that's a good-great shooter. He'd fit well in Portland with Dame.

Barnes has the 'chance' to lead us somewhere depending on his development but it's no guarantee.

In short we pretty much know what Siakam is now, we don't know what Barnes is going to be.

Tbh a lot is riding for the team on this offseason for Barnes development.

[tripa]

It’s because our defensive system promotes bad defensive flaws.

Read on Twitter

Nurse has them pressing on non shooters so they can cause turnovers, know what happens when you don’t commit the turnover ? They blow by you with ease because any player can blow by a defender when you’re basically in their chest.

It’s a vicious cycle where we have to rely on gimmicks with defence to fuel our offence because we’re so inept at traditional offence.

Yeah especially now with Jakob in the paint we should back off a step on the perimeter to keep guys in front. Don't play everyone the same. As Will Lou said some guys you can go under screens, play it more conservative

Maybe they figure in the playoffs good teams will be full of shooters and it's best to play everyone like a threat so that it comes more naturally in the playoffs.

Have people considered Nurse is just a bad coach?

Or are we going to continue with the mental gymnastics that Nurse‘s system is just too complex and its all the players fault?

Let me know.

[nikster]

Yeah especially now with Jakob in the paint we should back off a step on the perimeter to keep guys in front. Don't play everyone the same. As Will Lou said some guys you can go under screens, play it more conservative

Maybe they figure in the playoffs good teams will be full of shooters and it's best to play everyone like a threat so that it comes more naturally in the playoffs.

Have people considered Nurse is just a bad coach?

Or are we going to continue with the mental gymnastics that Nurse‘s system is just too complex and its all the players fault?

Let me know.

What mental gymnastics? I offered a possible explanation for his schemes and didn't blame the players

[WaltFrazier]

Kuz had a solid game, but he didn't have great efficiency overall (10-24 from the field, 54 TS%). Overall, he was defended fine. Beal was held in check.

The bigger issue was Gafford/Porzingis went a combined 16/22 for 43 points. This was a game Poeltl needed to play a very big role, yet he only ended up with 31 minutes, most of which came in the 2nd half when the game was out of reach.

Paul Jones on Raptors Today said the Raps don't keep the ball in front of them well enough, which causes Jak to have to rotate too much which gave Gafford easy shots off passes. Fred Scottie Pascal and some bench guys give up too much penetration

Last week during a game Dowtin cut off a drive and made the ball handler retreat. It was actually jarring to witness, because I'm so used to seeing the entire team playing Calderon-style defence, rolling out the red carpet to the rim.

Yes a refreshing change to see. That's why I was pushing hard for Dowtin to play more, he contains dribblers better than Fred or Flynn. I like his running of the offense too, but he needs to shoot better to really be valuable

[Boogie!]

I sometimes critisize Barnes for not being a natural scorer given that he hasnt even cracked 30 points this entire season. But I just thought about it... If you give Barnes the keys to the team, it's likely he would average 20-22ppg in this year which is his second season. Its also not certain if we'd be a worse team or not. Interesting to say the least. This off season will be a dire one.

Jalen green is a 20 ppg scorer for the rockets. As their first option. They're tanking. I have no doubt Barnes could be a 20 ppg scorer if given the reigns. Tbh maybe in ghe short term they'd be worse, but if Barnes became a legitimate scoring threat, combined witj his natural passing ability it would open up so much more opportunities for other players. Which is why the raptors should be developing him this way instead of whatever the **** they're doing now. But whatever fvv and the play in are the 2 most important things for this team right now.

[johanliebert]

What's with all the comments about scoring man. From day one you could tell he's not a natural scorer and his gift is making plays. I'd like to see him play downhill more and get some paint touches instead of working on chucking 3's.

[johanliebert]

Yeah especially now with Jakob in the paint we should back off a step on the perimeter to keep guys in front. Don't play everyone the same. As Will Lou said some guys you can go under screens, play it more conservative

Maybe they figure in the playoffs good teams will be full of shooters and it's best to play everyone like a threat so that it comes more naturally in the playoffs.

Have people considered Nurse is just a bad coach?

Or are we going to continue with the mental gymnastics that Nurse‘s system is just too complex and its all the players fault?

Let me know.

cant believe this is the media we have in Toroto. Its like when fans gripe about players rotating and closing out on non-shooters. Fred and the rest of the team followed the schemes laid out by the coaching staff.

[srhcan]

He is not bad but we should stop comparing him to Mobley. Mobley is just in a different league. Barnes is lucky that he won the ROY over Mobley. But that does not mean he is better than Mobley.

[Los_29]

He is not bad but we should stop comparing him to Mobley. Mobley is just in a different league. Barnes is lucky that he won the ROY over Mobley. But that does not mean he is better than Mobley.

Mobley is in a different league? That's news to me. He's putting up nearly identical numbers to last year. Scottie has the higher ceiling, Mobley has the higher floor. But right now, they are very comparable players.

[hype_2004]

He is not bad but we should stop comparing him to Mobley. Mobley is just in a different league. Barnes is lucky that he won the ROY over Mobley. But that does not mean he is better than Mobley.

Stfu and gtfo here, Mobley plays a different position as an undersized C playing behind another C. Barnes has more impact due to his versatility.

[Thaddy]

Does ceiling matter when he's not even improving? Same bad handles, bad shot, and even worse defense. He was getting turned and danced on by Murray. Murray spun him around like a drunk thot and I saw Barnes on his ass a few times crying about calls.

IMO, we need to bench Barnes to light a fire under his ass. He needed to get his shot at league average level yesterday, it's overdue now. So hit the bench until you can figure that out.

If he pouts it'll show his character and he can be shipped out. I don't see blue chip piece in Barnes as an asset anymore. We should strongly consider stepping in another direction and dealing him for a OG+ package if we can.

[cbosh4mvp]

I’m not a Mobley believer. I find Mobley to be a good prospect and a decent starter but not an all star nor a leader. Just seems like a guy that will fall off the map eventually.