Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[dozo]

Scoot ejected

That sucks. The crowd sounds like their entertained.

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Sidy w/the block

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[Kevin Willis]

Scoot didn't have a great game and was still best player on Ignite. Cissoko was alright, good playmaker. Strong boy. Miller was alright. Needs to still work on his shot. Ron Harper Jr. can make the rotation next year if he can just slim down a little and become more athletic. Dowtin is Dowtin. Koloko should dominate more but I guess it's hard to do here.

[Dalek]

Scoot didn't have a great game and was still best player on Ignite. Cissoko was alright, good playmaker. Strong boy. Miller was alright. Needs to still work on his shot. Ron Harper Jr. can make the rotation next year if he can just slim down a little and become more athletic. Dowtin is Dowtin. Koloko should dominate more but I guess it's hard to do here.

Dowtin was the best player on the court and it wasn't even close. He cooked Scoot so bad that Scoot shoved him twice in the game because he got showed up so bad and got himself thrown out.

[Rapsfan07]

Scoot didn't have a great game and was still best player on Ignite. Cissoko was alright, good playmaker. Strong boy. Miller was alright. Needs to still work on his shot. Ron Harper Jr. can make the rotation next year if he can just slim down a little and become more athletic. Dowtin is Dowtin. Koloko should dominate more but I guess it's hard to do here.

Dowtin was the best player on the court and it wasn't even close. He cooked Scoot so bad that Scoot shoved him twice in the game because he got showed up so bad and got himself thrown out.

Yep, this is true. Scoot was very inconsistent on defense tonight.

Harper doesn't miss ...like ever lol

And Downtin looked really good.

[Kurtz]

I was at the game tonight ready for the Scoot show...and was left disappointed.

Yeah, the kid is absolutely jacked and has arms for days. But his shot looked flat and off. He went out early at half time to practice his free throws and was bricking most of them. His dribble did not look tight. His first step wasn't explosive. He made the safe passes but didn't flash any special vision. Couldn't really stay in front of guys on D either. Really reminded me of Suggs tbh. Maybe just an off game...I don't think he deserved to be tossed, that initial run-in looked completely accidental.

Dowtin was the best player on the floor, took charge whenever it was needed. Koloko looked big and confident. Sterling Brown looked good too. Wieskamp was the worst guy on the floor, I can't believe we gave him a contract.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I'm completely sold on Maxwell Lewis with the Raps' 1st rounder, just have to hope he is available and another team doesn't view him as a diamond in the rough. He shows flashes of EVERYTHING including making impact plays on defense. The Raps are all about internal growth and development so if you take him you have all the tools to work with regardless of his inconsistency thus far in his short collegiate career. He's long but agile enough to be a legit 2 guard in the league. He covers tons of ground with his stride even though he isn't an explosive athlete he's a good one and his stride helps him get from point A to point B quickly. He can drive both sides and finish with both hands. He legit has shown the ability to be a complete player, score at all 3 levels on offense while being able to move his feet and stick with his man on defense.

Also he sounds like he has a decent head on his shoulders, pretty well spoken in interviews.

Not seeing it. Turnover prone, bad shooting numbers, poor defender. There are better guys in that same range. I'd actually not like the pick if he was who we got in the first round. He seems like he'll need a lot of work to become a winning player.

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Taylor Hendricks.

We can dream that he’s available at our pick, but I seriously doubt it

Yeah I'm beginning to doubt he'll be available. I think he's going to be a huge riser and the stats indicate he's been one of the more productive and consistent freshman. Then you have his physical profile and a clear archetype for the NBA (3+D). I think he'll have an easy transition to the next level.

I see him as a Grant/DeAndre Hunter type with room for more. He's been my pick for our range for a while now, but I understand the concerns with the positional overlap on the roster. I'm gonna dive into some Bradin Podziemski, his buzz is giving me Jalen Williams vibes.

[Rapsfan07]

I'm completely sold on Maxwell Lewis with the Raps' 1st rounder, just have to hope he is available and another team doesn't view him as a diamond in the rough. He shows flashes of EVERYTHING including making impact plays on defense. The Raps are all about internal growth and development so if you take him you have all the tools to work with regardless of his inconsistency thus far in his short collegiate career. He's long but agile enough to be a legit 2 guard in the league. He covers tons of ground with his stride even though he isn't an explosive athlete he's a good one and his stride helps him get from point A to point B quickly. He can drive both sides and finish with both hands. He legit has shown the ability to be a complete player, score at all 3 levels on offense while being able to move his feet and stick with his man on defense.

Also he sounds like he has a decent head on his shoulders, pretty well spoken in interviews.

Not seeing it. Turnover prone, bad shooting numbers, poor defender. There are better guys in that same range. I'd actually not like the pick if he was who we got in the first round. He seems like he'll need a lot of work to become a winning player.

IMO he's turnover prone because he has the ball in his hands much more than he should. He's the best player on that team, which he won't be on an NBA team. His defense is something that I think can be improved at the next level. He has the tools to be at least a passable defender.

Still, I don't think you're going to do better than him that late in the draft and we shouldn't be considering him unless we get our hands on another first rounder.

But I do have a lot of faith in him.

[Rapsfan07]

Taylor Hendricks.

We can dream that he’s available at our pick, but I seriously doubt it

Yeah I'm beginning to doubt he'll be available. I think he's going to be a huge riser and the stats indicate he's been one of the more productive and consistent freshman. Then you have his physical profile and a clear archetype for the NBA (3+D). I think he'll have an easy transition to the next level.

I see him as a Grant/DeAndre Hunter type with room for more. He's been my pick for our range for a while now, but I understand the concerns with the positional overlap on the roster. I'm gonna dive into some Bradin Podziemski, his buzz is giving me Jalen Williams vibes.

I think he should be available late lottery at the worst. The only guy "lottery guys" I can see him going before at this moment is Sensabaugh, maybe Black.

But there's still March Madness, combine and workouts. Things can still change pretty substantially between now and then.

I really like Podziemski. I'm not sure why he's mocked so low. He's been tearing it up.

[God Squad]

Jett Howard BPM +5.5.
Dariq Whitehead +2.4.
Tarquavion Smith +4
GG Jackson -.2
Maxwell Lewis +1.8
Cam Whitmore 5.7

Not good enough this year.

Taylor Hendricks +8.6 for a freshman. Draft group think will push him into the lotto.

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Jett Howard BPM +5.5.
Dariq Whitehead +2.4.
Tarquavion Smith +4
GG Jackson -.2
Maxwell Lewis +1.8
Cam Whitmore 5.7

Not good enough this year.

Taylor Hendricks +8.6 for a freshman. Draft group think will push him into the lotto.

He should be up there like a Scottie Barnes.

Cissoko's stock hopefully stalls. Geez he had 8 assists and 2 turnovers last night. He should be a nice 6'8 player to groom at SG if not another Barnes at PG. I wonder why Cissoko isn't rater higher? He's shooting the 3 better (over 35% from NBA range) than Scoot. Only knock is lack of rebounding for a 6'8 player so he'll likely be a better fit at SG/PG with his passing instincts.

Seems like he's really developing his power game with the new height. Can he be a mix of OG and Scottie?

[Rapsfan07]

Colby Jones is quickly becoming my favorite safe bet as a role player. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane in a way where he is pretty much popping off the page in almost every stat but only is held back by being 21 at the draft and not a superior athlete:

7 BPM
61 TS%
33 FTR
23 AST%
2.3 STL%
63 At-the-rim %
40 3P%

Plays in the Big East which can be a grinding tough slog but shows he can play with good competition. His above college numbers compare well with Derrick White, Sam Merrill, and James Harden who were all bigger sized combos.

Toronto could like Jones because they love to see size, and steady improvement and he made a big improvement this year in shooting and playmaking (previous year he had a 29 3P%). At 6'6 he can play a bit of point while giving up little on the defensive end. Basically he is a nice fit with a Scottie because he can shoot and handle the ball some and defend.

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One of my favourites as a big, playmaking combo guard that can shoot. He's built strong like a Bane. He's a good defender. I agree he's a great fit for this club. Not as athletic but meh. Also can't find his wingspan anywhere. Still if we want a player with a higher floor I would take him, he will contribute right away.

We are already dropping to 14 in draft order and teams like the Clippers and Hawks could be slipping in the standings. There is a chance the Lakers pass Toronto, but they look improved even without LBJ. I'd guess we end up picking 16 which opens Toronto to third tier types.

The third tier to me is all about high floor types: Colby Jones, Kris Murray, Filipowski or one of my darkhorse guys: Terrence Shannon Jr. or Tristan Vukčević.

Outside of Jones, who I've been vocal about, I think Murray and Shannon Jr could be really solid players at the next level.

[God Squad]

Jett Howard BPM +5.5.
Dariq Whitehead +2.4.
Tarquavion Smith +4
GG Jackson -.2
Maxwell Lewis +1.8
Cam Whitmore 5.7

Not good enough this year.

Taylor Hendricks +8.6 for a freshman. Draft group think will push him into the lotto.

He should be up there like a Scottie Barnes.

Cissoko's stock hopefully stalls. Geez he had 8 assists and 2 turnovers last night. He should be a nice 6'8 player to groom at SG if not another Barnes at PG. I wonder why Cissoko isn't rater higher? He's shooting the 3 better (over 35% from NBA range) than Scoot. Only knock is lack of rebounding for a 6'8 player so he'll likely be a better fit at SG/PG with his passing instincts.

I don't think he's going to measure 6'8. But I also don't think Grady Dick is 6'7 either, But we'll see soon enough. But I like Cissoko and wouldn't hate the pick at all.

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Taylor Hendricks +8.6 for a freshman. Draft group think will push him into the lotto.

He should be up there like a Scottie Barnes.

Cissoko's stock hopefully stalls. Geez he had 8 assists and 2 turnovers last night. He should be a nice 6'8 player to groom at SG if not another Barnes at PG. I wonder why Cissoko isn't rater higher? He's shooting the 3 better (over 35% from NBA range) than Scoot. Only knock is lack of rebounding for a 6'8 player so he'll likely be a better fit at SG/PG with his passing instincts.

I don't think he's going to measure 6'8. But I also don't think Grady Dick is 6'7 either, But we'll see soon enough. But I like Cissoko and wouldn't hate the pick at all.

Dick has narrow shoulders so may not look as big but with his long neck I can see him at 6'7. His wingspan may not be great and neither his standing reach but he looks like he'll get his shot off in the NBA like a Duncan Robinson and Davis Bertans, but with better overall offensive game.

I've seen 6'6 from possibly older sites, 6'7 too and GLeague has him at 6'8 so likely the most updated reference. Cissoko is STILL 18 so maybe he just grew and inch or 2. The kid can dunk from 1 step cleaner than OG from the dunker spot.

[Rapsfan07]

Jett Howard BPM +5.5.
Dariq Whitehead +2.4.
Tarquavion Smith +4
GG Jackson -.2
Maxwell Lewis +1.8
Cam Whitmore 5.7

Not good enough this year.

Taylor Hendricks +8.6 for a freshman. Draft group think will push him into the lotto.

He should be up there like a Scottie Barnes.

Cissoko's stock hopefully stalls. Geez he had 8 assists and 2 turnovers last night. He should be a nice 6'8 player to groom at SG if not another Barnes at PG. I wonder why Cissoko isn't rater higher? He's shooting the 3 better (over 35% from NBA range) than Scoot. Only knock is lack of rebounding for a 6'8 player so he'll likely be a better fit at SG/PG with his passing instincts.

I had the opportunity to be at the game last night and I have to say, I think Cissoko has a long way to go on offense.

But he has a pretty unreal feel for the game. He knows exactly where to put the ball and when. And he's huge. Big bodied, long arms and a very strong frame. His handle is mid and his shooting leaves a lot to be desired but if he can ever learn to shoot the 3, he shouldn't have a problem cracking an NBA rotation. A late first, early second is fair value for Cissoko.

Scoot was a little disappointing. I found he let quite a bit go defensively, late to rotations and he doesn't shoot it well at all. He has unreal speed though and he's also pretty jacked. He looks like he's in his mid 20s.

I too share the boards infatuation with Hendricks. The issue is, as I've said before, is we already have 3 guy vying for minutes at that SF/PF spot and all of them are proven at the NBA level. For what its worth, Hendricks projects to me as a PF at the next level ...but so does Barnes and Siakam is already there.

Now obviously, you always go BPA and figure the rest out later but after taking Hendricks, you're going to have him, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Boucher who all would be playing minutes there and our only two guards are potentially out the door this offseason. If the FO goes with Hendricks, I'll be happy with the pick but there has to be significant moves on the horizon. At least two of the aforementioned guys have to go.

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Taylor Hendricks +8.6 for a freshman. Draft group think will push him into the lotto.

He should be up there like a Scottie Barnes.

Cissoko's stock hopefully stalls. Geez he had 8 assists and 2 turnovers last night. He should be a nice 6'8 player to groom at SG if not another Barnes at PG. I wonder why Cissoko isn't rater higher? He's shooting the 3 better (over 35% from NBA range) than Scoot. Only knock is lack of rebounding for a 6'8 player so he'll likely be a better fit at SG/PG with his passing instincts.

I had the opportunity to be at the game last night and I have to say, I think Cissoko has a long way to go on offense.

But he has a pretty unreal feel for the game. He knows exactly where to put the ball and when. And he's huge. Big bodied, long arms and a very strong frame. His handle is mid and his shooting leaves a lot to be desired but if he can ever learn to shoot the 3, he shouldn't have a problem cracking an NBA rotation. A late first, early second is fair value for Cissoko.

Scoot was a little disappointing. I found he let quite a bit go defensively, late to rotations and he doesn't shoot it well at all. He has unreal speed though and he's also pretty jacked. He looks like he's in his mid 20s.

I too share the boards infatuation with Hendricks. The issue is, as I've said before, is we already have 3 guy vying for minutes at that SF/PF spot and all of them are proven at the NBA level. For what its worth, Hendricks projects to me as a PF at the next level ...but so does Barnes and Siakam is already there.

Now obviously, you always go BPA and figure the rest out later but after taking Hendricks, you're going to have him, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Boucher who all would be playing minutes there and our only two guards are potentially out the door this offseason. If the FO goes with Hendricks, I'll be happy with the pick but there has to be significant moves on the horizon. At least two of the aforementioned guys have to go.

Hendricks is likely a SF in the NBA than can play some PF and spot C.

Sidy is shooting 35% from NBA 3 ,which is better than most of the Raptor regulars (only Trent and OG are shooting better). Last year he was not hugging the line with the international 3. Scoot is shooting 27% from 3.

Cissoko is a SG/SF in the NBA and might be able to run the team like Franz Wagner at 6'10. Anyways, I would look to consolidate Boucher, Thaddeus, Otto, Flynn. Maybe trade them all for Gordon Hayward and 2nd pick (or can they squeeze the #29 pick from Denver)? Sorry couldn't find anyone better right now.

PG FVV - Barnes - Dowtin/Banton
SG OG - Trent - Cissoko - Colby Jones
SF Siakam - Hayward - Harper?
PF Barnes - Precious - OG
C Poeltl - Precious - Koloko

Toronto is able to bring Cissoko along slowly and have him continue to play in the GLeague with the 905.

[Rapsfan07]

He should be up there like a Scottie Barnes.

Cissoko's stock hopefully stalls. Geez he had 8 assists and 2 turnovers last night. He should be a nice 6'8 player to groom at SG if not another Barnes at PG. I wonder why Cissoko isn't rater higher? He's shooting the 3 better (over 35% from NBA range) than Scoot. Only knock is lack of rebounding for a 6'8 player so he'll likely be a better fit at SG/PG with his passing instincts.

I had the opportunity to be at the game last night and I have to say, I think Cissoko has a long way to go on offense.

But he has a pretty unreal feel for the game. He knows exactly where to put the ball and when. And he's huge. Big bodied, long arms and a very strong frame. His handle is mid and his shooting leaves a lot to be desired but if he can ever learn to shoot the 3, he shouldn't have a problem cracking an NBA rotation. A late first, early second is fair value for Cissoko.

Scoot was a little disappointing. I found he let quite a bit go defensively, late to rotations and he doesn't shoot it well at all. He has unreal speed though and he's also pretty jacked. He looks like he's in his mid 20s.

I too share the boards infatuation with Hendricks. The issue is, as I've said before, is we already have 3 guy vying for minutes at that SF/PF spot and all of them are proven at the NBA level. For what its worth, Hendricks projects to me as a PF at the next level ...but so does Barnes and Siakam is already there.

Now obviously, you always go BPA and figure the rest out later but after taking Hendricks, you're going to have him, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Boucher who all would be playing minutes there and our only two guards are potentially out the door this offseason. If the FO goes with Hendricks, I'll be happy with the pick but there has to be significant moves on the horizon. At least two of the aforementioned guys have to go.

Hendricks is likely a SF in the NBA than can play some PF and spot C.

Sidy is shooting 35% from NBA 3 ,which is better than most of the Raptor regulars (only Trent and OG are shooting better). Last year he was not hugging the line with the international 3. Scoot is shooting 27% from 3.

Cissoko is a SG/SF in the NBA and might be able to run the team like Franz Wagner at 6'10. Anyways, I would look to consolidate Boucher, Thaddeus, Otto, Flynn. Maybe trade them all for Gordon Hayward and 2nd pick (or can they squeeze the #29 pick from Denver)? Sorry couldn't find anyone better right now.

PG FVV - Barnes - Dowtin/Banton
SG OG - Trent - Cissoko - Colby Jones
SF Siakam - Hayward - Harper?
PF Barnes - Precious - OG
C Poeltl - Precious - Koloko

Toronto is able to bring Cissoko along slowly and have him continue to play in the GLeague with the 905.

I don't see it bro. If you watch Hendricks, his offense almost always a) assisted and b) either from the dunkers spot or spot up shooting from 3. He does it extremely well, mind you. I think he can guard both forward spots without a hitch but he looks to me like you'll get the most out of him at the 4.

I see you have Jones in your depth chart. If we managed to get a late first, I would absolutely take him over Cissoko at this point.

Do you know why Podziemski is ranked so low? Dude seems like a monster and guaranteed a role in the NBA unless there's something I'm not seeing or don't know.

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I had the opportunity to be at the game last night and I have to say, I think Cissoko has a long way to go on offense.

But he has a pretty unreal feel for the game. He knows exactly where to put the ball and when. And he's huge. Big bodied, long arms and a very strong frame. His handle is mid and his shooting leaves a lot to be desired but if he can ever learn to shoot the 3, he shouldn't have a problem cracking an NBA rotation. A late first, early second is fair value for Cissoko.

Scoot was a little disappointing. I found he let quite a bit go defensively, late to rotations and he doesn't shoot it well at all. He has unreal speed though and he's also pretty jacked. He looks like he's in his mid 20s.

I too share the boards infatuation with Hendricks. The issue is, as I've said before, is we already have 3 guy vying for minutes at that SF/PF spot and all of them are proven at the NBA level. For what its worth, Hendricks projects to me as a PF at the next level ...but so does Barnes and Siakam is already there.

Now obviously, you always go BPA and figure the rest out later but after taking Hendricks, you're going to have him, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Boucher who all would be playing minutes there and our only two guards are potentially out the door this offseason. If the FO goes with Hendricks, I'll be happy with the pick but there has to be significant moves on the horizon. At least two of the aforementioned guys have to go.

Hendricks is likely a SF in the NBA than can play some PF and spot C.

Sidy is shooting 35% from NBA 3 ,which is better than most of the Raptor regulars (only Trent and OG are shooting better). Last year he was not hugging the line with the international 3. Scoot is shooting 27% from 3.

Cissoko is a SG/SF in the NBA and might be able to run the team like Franz Wagner at 6'10. Anyways, I would look to consolidate Boucher, Thaddeus, Otto, Flynn. Maybe trade them all for Gordon Hayward and 2nd pick (or can they squeeze the #29 pick from Denver)? Sorry couldn't find anyone better right now.

PG FVV - Barnes - Dowtin/Banton
SG OG - Trent - Cissoko - Colby Jones
SF Siakam - Hayward - Harper?
PF Barnes - Precious - OG
C Poeltl - Precious - Koloko

Toronto is able to bring Cissoko along slowly and have him continue to play in the GLeague with the 905.

I don't see it bro. If you watch Hendricks, his offense almost always a) assisted and b) either from the dunkers spot or spot up shooting from 3. He does it extremely well, mind you. I think he can guard both forward spots without a hitch but he looks to me like you'll get the most out of him at the 4.

I see you have Jones in your depth chart. If we managed to get a late first, I would absolutely take him over Cissoko at this point.

Do you know why Podziemski is ranked so low? Dude seems like a monster and guaranteed a role in the NBA unless there's something I'm not seeing or don't know.

I guess had to transfer to a weaker conference but the WCC is decent. He seems like a better prospect than Lewis, JHS and maybe on par with Jordan Hawkins. lol

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He's dominated Maxwell Lewis in 2 matchups in 2023. Maybe Santa Clara is just the better team?

He makes some really amazing passes on the break full court even. Can see him being a backup combo guard in the future. If he had another season of data could be a possible Malcom Brogdon. I think he's slightly behind Colby Jones in terms of SG rankings.

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Podziemski was Mr. Basketball in Wisconson. It's not like he is some nobody that's killing it in a weak conference. I expect him to get into the 1st by the workout stage.