Tyrese Maxey VS Immanuel Quickley

spree2kawhi · Post #261 » by **spree2kawhi** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 3:03 pm

Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

robillionaire · Post #262 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 3:21 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

So do a lot of bad players

He’s not really one of them but raw ppg is not the end all be all of a discussion

Advanced stats say IQ is better, go look at raptor or win shares/48 or box plus minus or literally anything that takes defense into account

Quickley has started 11 games and averaged 19.4 ppg as a starter plus elite level defense as opposed to bad defense

Iron Mantis · Post #263 » by **Iron Mantis** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 3:27 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

Per 36 Maxey averages 4 more points per game on 26.3% USG compared to Quickley's 19.5% usage rate...

Maxey also averages more minutes per game. Unless you want to dig through every game Quickley played 32+ minutes to find averages, we can use per 36 to extrapolate.

Per 36, Quickley averages more rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals per game than Maxey

Quickley has better advanced defensive metrics all around the board

They're both good players, but Quickley is very underrated. His defense is flat out rude.

Guano · Post #264 » by **Guano** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 6:35 pm

I don't get why you guys always bring these nerd stats into the discussion when it's pretty simple IQ is a knick and helps us win and is enjoyable to watch making him far superior to Maxey.

god shammgod · Post #265 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 7:29 pm

robillionaire wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

So do a lot of bad players

He’s not really one of them but raw ppg is not the end all be all of a discussion

Advanced stats say IQ is better, go look at raptor or win shares/48 or box plus minus or literally anything that takes defense into account

Quickley has started 11 games and averaged 19.4 ppg as a starter plus elite level defense as opposed to bad defense

anyone who analyzes the sixers will also tell you they have a hard time putting maxey and haden on the floor together because they both get targeted on defense, he's not even passing, he's a bad defender.

robillionaire · Post #266 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 7:51 pm

god shammgod wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

So do a lot of bad players

He’s not really one of them but raw ppg is not the end all be all of a discussion

Advanced stats say IQ is better, go look at raptor or win shares/48 or box plus minus or literally anything that takes defense into account

Quickley has started 11 games and averaged 19.4 ppg as a starter plus elite level defense as opposed to bad defense

anyone who analyzes the sixers will also tell you they have a hard time putting maxey and haden on the floor together because they both get targeted on defense, he's not even passing, he's a bad defender.

Well so is Brunson, and he's obviously salvageable as an NBA player. So is Maxey despite the weakness. Still a really talented guy on offense. But since when do knicks fans turn their noses up at a 2-way player and prefer the one way player?

iLLmatic860 · Post #267 » by **iLLmatic860** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 7:52 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

What a lazy argument

In the original post I said, IQ would thrive in a bigger role, just like Maxey has

Which I’m not wrong. Maxey still gets more mins, and may be slightly better on offense.

But IQ is an all around player and his defense looks elite at times

Buttah304 · Post #268 » by **Buttah304** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 12:58 am

god shammgod wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

So do a lot of bad players

He’s not really one of them but raw ppg is not the end all be all of a discussion

Advanced stats say IQ is better, go look at raptor or win shares/48 or box plus minus or literally anything that takes defense into account

Quickley has started 11 games and averaged 19.4 ppg as a starter plus elite level defense as opposed to bad defense

anyone who analyzes the sixers will also tell you they have a hard time putting maxey and haden on the floor together because they both get targeted on defense, he's not even passing, he's a bad defender.

Not only is that pairing a huge defensive liability there is something else that gets brought up all the time. Sixers fans will notice defensive breakdowns, poor communication, fingers being pointed when it comes to blown coverages and guys missing switches. Most of their fans will admit those things tend to happen when Maxey is on the floor (common denominator). Yes - he’s a really freaking good offensive player/shooter. But the issues on the other end of the court are glaring. People that stare at traditional stats and think they have the plot figured out get Keyser Sözed 99% of the time.

Adelheid · Post #269 » by **Adelheid** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 4:27 am

Post #270 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 5:45 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Just read through it, lots of hilariously bad takes in here, I won't say their names though

Ill post one

KnicksNext wrote:One is really good the other is average to below average. You choose which one is which.

KnicksNext wrote:Another funny thing about a thread like this, is that you can literally predict which poster is going to say they choose IQ.

Excellent choice monsieur. A 2022 bottle of KnicksNext.

Post #271 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 6:13 am

Guano wrote:I don't get why you guys always bring these nerd stats into the discussion when it's pretty simple IQ is a knick and helps us win and is enjoyable to watch making him far superior to Maxey.

Quick is a better defender though. The Sixers are quite porous.

HarthorneWingo · Post #272 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 7:00 am

I stan for IQ

RHODEY · Post #273 » by **RHODEY** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 7:23 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:Maxey can d up like IQ? I think not

or run an offense.

RHODEY · Post #274 » by **RHODEY** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 7:28 am

nykfan42 wrote:Maxey makes some weird faces like he farted or something.

They call him Maxey cause he

Spoiler:

RHODEY · Post #275 » by **RHODEY** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 7:30 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Maxey averages 20.0 ppg. Wtf is this?

What a lazy argument

In the original post I said, IQ would thrive in a bigger role, just like Maxey has

Which I’m not wrong. Maxey still gets more mins, and may be slightly better on offense.

But IQ is an all around player and his defense looks elite at times

The stats say IQ's defense is already elite.

aq_ua · Post #276 » by **aq_ua** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 8:04 am

robillionaire wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
So do a lot of bad players

He’s not really one of them but raw ppg is not the end all be all of a discussion

Advanced stats say IQ is better, go look at raptor or win shares/48 or box plus minus or literally anything that takes defense into account

Quickley has started 11 games and averaged 19.4 ppg as a starter plus elite level defense as opposed to bad defense

anyone who analyzes the sixers will also tell you they have a hard time putting maxey and haden on the floor together because they both get targeted on defense, he's not even passing, he's a bad defender.

Well so is Brunson, and he's obviously salvageable as an NBA player. So is Maxey despite the weakness. Still a really talented guy on offense. But since when do knicks fans turn their noses up at a 2-way player and prefer the one way player?

No offense targets Brunson as a weak defender. It doesn't happen.

spree2kawhi · Post #277 » by **spree2kawhi** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 12:31 pm

For him to be valued as much as Maxey by you guys certainly is impressive.

HighRyzer83 · Post #278 » by **HighRyzer83** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 3:35 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:For him to be valued as much as Maxey by you guys certainly is impressive.

I remember when I likened him to maxey earlier in the season I got laughed at. By these same knick fans

bronxknicksfan1 · Post #279 » by **bronxknicksfan1** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 3:42 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:For him to be valued as much as Maxey by you guys certainly is impressive.

Don’t think it’s just this board. IQ is going to get some big offers this summer off of his potential alone.

spree2kawhi · Post #280 » by **spree2kawhi** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 3:52 pm

HighRyzer83 wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:For him to be valued as much as Maxey by you guys certainly is impressive.

I remember when I likened him to maxey earlier in the season I got laughed at. By these same knick fans

I still don’t think that’s valid at all but hey. I seem to be in the wrong and I can live with that. No irony here, I really mean it.

IQ Vs Maxey