2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[Flash4thewin]

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A $30M “scorer” that can’t score effectively is pretty worrisome. Can’t create any separation or score without a screen when he’s on ball and is heavily reliant on getting hot from 3, his isolation numbers are horrible. He does seem to have a clutch gene but I wonder how many of those games it wouldn’t be necessary if he was a consistent/efficient scorer that could play some sort of defense.

He is getting paid 5 mil this year, next year sure we can complain all we want but this year he has vastly outperformed his contract.

I’m perfectly fine trading EVERYONE on the team for a true star player.

[BBallFreak]

Jermaine O'Neal, Kyle Lowry, and Jimmy Butler, from Heat history alone, all beg to differ.

Herro will not become a superstar, I agree with that. Superstars are indeed at least stars or fringe all stars by season 2-3 if not season 1. I'm talking about lebron Luka Durant level superstar. Herro does however have plenty of time to develop into an all star type dude, top 30 type player. And that's incredibly valuable.

He does look uncomfortable lately and passive. Not sure what's up. I would not make Herro untouchable in trades that landed us a player that we would be hoping he'd turn into, like a Mitchell or Lillard. I still think he should've been the 6th man again this year. Or in and out of starting rotation due to rest and injuries etc.

In order for you to be a star you have to be elite at something. What is Herro elite skill set?

To assume he's done developing is a bit of a stretch IMO. He's 23 years old. Look at the leap Bam took this year and he's 25. Jermaine O'Neal spent four years as a part time rotation player in Portland before finding his footing in the league, Kyle Lowry wasn't much more than a reserve for a lot of his early years, and Jimmy was just a defensive wing with no real offensive game and we all know how he's turned out.

I think it's fair to say that Tyler needs to really push himself to be better and that he's at a career crossroads, but I don't think it's fair to just assume he's a finished product. I also think he should be available in trade, along with Lowry's expiring contract, Jovic (only if need be) our 2023 first, 2028 first, and 2030 first for whatever star player we can get to put next to Jimmy and Bam...

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Then he doesn't need to improve is what you're saying. He's peaked at 23

Last season Pelicans stint CJ: 24-5-6-1 58TS%

Peak Portland CJ: 23-4-5-1 58TS%

Herro: 20-6-4-1 55TS%

CJ has also been much more successful in the playoffs. So no, to answer your question about him not needing to improve.

I may be giving him too much credit as CJ but I’m still trying to keep some sort of faith as long as he’s in a Heat jersey. Hindsight is 20/20 but I’m guessing the Heat would’ve sold high after his rookie season knowing what they know now

this is asinine, I hope you realize that. If Herro was taking 19 shots to avg 22 pts right now you would be running up a wall crying about all that's wrong with the world.

The dude is making half our 3s most nights, operating with ZERO space. No other young guard is dealing with that

People keep saying Herro won't become a superstar...newsflash, we have no superstars.

Pelicans last season stint CJ: 1.27 points per FGA

Peak Portland CJ: 1.23 points per FGA

Herro: 1.18 points per FGA

Herro has space lmao, plenty of it. Part of the reason why you may think that is because he can’t create it on his own. He needs constant screens.

I do believe Herro is pretty close to what he’ll be but I’ll gladly be wrong. He’s weak, always injured, small, negative wingspan, not fast, not a great athlete, can’t gain any separation on his own, can’t score in isolation, etc.

Nobody is asking Herro to be a superstar and he’ll never be as good as the top 2 guys on this team. Just pointing out what he is and why he shouldn’t be deemed untouchable for a player who’s far superior to him and also happens to be our franchise cornerstones best friend

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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A $30M “scorer” that can’t score effectively is pretty worrisome. Can’t create any separation or score without a screen when he’s on ball and is heavily reliant on getting hot from 3, his isolation numbers are horrible. He does seem to have a clutch gene but I wonder how many of those games it wouldn’t be necessary if he was a consistent/efficient scorer that could play some sort of defense.

He is getting paid 5 mil this year, next year sure we can complain all we want but this year he has vastly outperformed his contract.

I’m perfectly fine trading EVERYONE on the team for a true star player.

He’s associated with the contract the second he signed it and he hasn’t improved this season from last and still shows many different limitations. It’s a cause for concern

[Hallstar]

Last season Pelicans stint CJ: 24-5-6-1 58TS%

Peak Portland CJ: 23-4-5-1 58TS%

Herro: 20-6-4-1 55TS%

CJ has also been much more successful in the playoffs. So no, to answer your question about him not needing to improve.

I may be giving him too much credit as CJ but I’m still trying to keep some sort of faith as long as he’s in a Heat jersey. Hindsight is 20/20 but I’m guessing the Heat would’ve sold high after his rookie season knowing what they know now

this is asinine, I hope you realize that. If Herro was taking 19 shots to avg 22 pts right now you would be running up a wall crying about all that's wrong with the world.

The dude is making half our 3s most nights, operating with ZERO space. No other young guard is dealing with that

People keep saying Herro won't become a superstar...newsflash, we have no superstars.

Pelicans last season stint CJ: 1.27 points per FGA

Peak Portland CJ: 1.23 points per FGA

Herro: 1.18 points per FGA

Herro has space lmao, plenty of it. Part of the reason why you may think that is because he can’t create it on his own. He needs constant screens.

I do believe Herro is pretty close to what he’ll be but I’ll gladly be wrong. He’s weak, always injured, small, negative wingspan, not fast, not a great athlete, can’t gain any separation on his own, can’t score in isolation, etc.

Nobody is asking Herro to be a superstar and he’ll never be as good as the top 2 guys on this team. Just pointing out what he is and why he shouldn’t be deemed untouchable for a player who’s far superior to him and also happens to be our franchise cornerstones best friend

What space is Herro working in? lemme hear you. The paint is ALWAYS packed.

what are the 3 point makes per game of the starting 5 of the Pels, Philly, Blazers etc?

[Daffy]

Think Omer going to get any significant run to close out the season? No Love and still 0 minutes kind of alarming.

[carnageta]

We really have Bam back to taking less than 10 shots / game now. SMH.

[carnageta]

Think Omer going to get any significant run to close out the season? No Love and still 0 minutes kind of alarming.

Not a chance.

I'd be surprised if even Love gets more than 10-15 mins a night once he returns. Spo obsession with playing small is truly otherworldly.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

this is asinine, I hope you realize that. If Herro was taking 19 shots to avg 22 pts right now you would be running up a wall crying about all that's wrong with the world.

The dude is making half our 3s most nights, operating with ZERO space. No other young guard is dealing with that

People keep saying Herro won't become a superstar...newsflash, we have no superstars.

Pelicans last season stint CJ: 1.27 points per FGA

Peak Portland CJ: 1.23 points per FGA

Herro: 1.18 points per FGA

Herro has space lmao, plenty of it. Part of the reason why you may think that is because he can’t create it on his own. He needs constant screens.

I do believe Herro is pretty close to what he’ll be but I’ll gladly be wrong. He’s weak, always injured, small, negative wingspan, not fast, not a great athlete, can’t gain any separation on his own, can’t score in isolation, etc.

Nobody is asking Herro to be a superstar and he’ll never be as good as the top 2 guys on this team. Just pointing out what he is and why he shouldn’t be deemed untouchable for a player who’s far superior to him and also happens to be our franchise cornerstones best friend

What space is Herro working in? lemme hear you. The paint is ALWAYS packed.

what are the 3 point makes per game of the starting 5 of the Pels, Philly, Blazers etc?

Over half of Herros attempts are classified as open/wide open (thanks for the screens Bam) it doesn’t get much better. There’s some space for you, or were you under the impression he had 2 defenders in his face each time he shot?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

this is asinine, I hope you realize that. If Herro was taking 19 shots to avg 22 pts right now you would be running up a wall crying about all that's wrong with the world.

The dude is making half our 3s most nights, operating with ZERO space. No other young guard is dealing with that

People keep saying Herro won't become a superstar...newsflash, we have no superstars.

Pelicans last season stint CJ: 1.27 points per FGA

Peak Portland CJ: 1.23 points per FGA

Herro: 1.18 points per FGA

Herro has space lmao, plenty of it. Part of the reason why you may think that is because he can’t create it on his own. He needs constant screens.

I do believe Herro is pretty close to what he’ll be but I’ll gladly be wrong. He’s weak, always injured, small, negative wingspan, not fast, not a great athlete, can’t gain any separation on his own, can’t score in isolation, etc.

Nobody is asking Herro to be a superstar and he’ll never be as good as the top 2 guys on this team. Just pointing out what he is and why he shouldn’t be deemed untouchable for a player who’s far superior to him and also happens to be our franchise cornerstones best friend

What space is Herro working in? lemme hear you. The paint is ALWAYS packed.

what are the 3 point makes per game of the starting 5 of the Pels, Philly, Blazers etc?

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You want more space than you’re getting? Make some for yourself for once, this is fuxkin embarrassing lol. One of the worst defenders in the league and he can’t gain any separation and get off high quality shots.

Herro in isolation this season: 0.68 points per possession, this is a guy who just signed for $30M a year to be not much else other than a scorer lol that is flat out horrible. If he’s not getting a screen he’s getting locked up

[insfo]

We really have Bam back to taking less than 10 shots / game now. SMH.

I'm sure this is a popular take, but from what I've seen in games, Bam really does not assert himself on offense. A lot of time he'll have the ball, advance to the paint and when the defender comes, he'll look lost on what to do next and immediately pull out or desperately try to find someone to hand the ball off to. And this is not a one time occurrence either. And there are other times he'll take the short jump shot that he's become quite good at now, but that is not his first instinct though. Would love for him to get more assertive, demand the ball and make plays .. but however much we fans want to see that happen, it just doesn't seem to be his mindset.

I started writing a post about this a few days back, how our (or any) offense these days seems to be predicated by a certain number of 3s we want to take each game, and since Bam doesn't shoot 3s, he will always be limited in the number of shots he takes. There will be days when he has it going, like that Indiana game that you keep referring to, but until he gains more consistency in being aggressive offensively, there will always be days that he remains on the fringes of this offense which will continue to go through Butler.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We really have Bam back to taking less than 10 shots / game now. SMH.

It’s actually wild. Saw him with 30-11-5 the game prior on 83% shooting. Play the same team, a quick 8 points in the first on 4 FGA and not only does he not get many more shots the rest of the game, he’s not even getting touches.

Last night was Bams 3rd lowest usage of the season and it came against a team with literally no answer for him

[Hallstar]

Pelicans last season stint CJ: 1.27 points per FGA

Peak Portland CJ: 1.23 points per FGA

Herro: 1.18 points per FGA

Herro has space lmao, plenty of it. Part of the reason why you may think that is because he can’t create it on his own. He needs constant screens.

I do believe Herro is pretty close to what he’ll be but I’ll gladly be wrong. He’s weak, always injured, small, negative wingspan, not fast, not a great athlete, can’t gain any separation on his own, can’t score in isolation, etc.

Nobody is asking Herro to be a superstar and he’ll never be as good as the top 2 guys on this team. Just pointing out what he is and why he shouldn’t be deemed untouchable for a player who’s far superior to him and also happens to be our franchise cornerstones best friend

What space is Herro working in? lemme hear you. The paint is ALWAYS packed.

what are the 3 point makes per game of the starting 5 of the Pels, Philly, Blazers etc?

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You want more space than you’re getting? Make some for yourself for once, this is fuxkin embarrassing lol. One of the worst defenders in the league and he can’t gain any separation and get off high quality shots.

Herro in isolation this season: 0.68 points per possession, this is a guy who just signed for $30M a year to be not much else other than a scorer lol that is flat out horrible. If he’s not getting a screen he’s getting locked up

Where do you see Herro struggling to get to his spots there? Missing a shot is missing a shot. Whenever someone has a bad shooting night against Herro, it's never he defended well, they just shot poorly. Whenever Herro has a bad shooting night, it's he got locked up by Trae Young.

Similar how the opposite works when Bam is being played even by the Clint Capella's of the league

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What space is Herro working in? lemme hear you. The paint is ALWAYS packed.

what are the 3 point makes per game of the starting 5 of the Pels, Philly, Blazers etc?

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You want more space than you’re getting? Make some for yourself for once, this is fuxkin embarrassing lol. One of the worst defenders in the league and he can’t gain any separation and get off high quality shots.

Herro in isolation this season: 0.68 points per possession, this is a guy who just signed for $30M a year to be not much else other than a scorer lol that is flat out horrible. If he’s not getting a screen he’s getting locked up

Where do you see Herro struggling to get to his spots there? Missing a shot is missing a shot. Whenever someone has a bad shooting night against Herro, it's never he defended well, they just shot poorly. Whenever Herro has a bad shooting night, it's he got locked up by Trae Young.

Similar how the opposite works when Bam is being played even by the Clint Capella's of the league

Are his spots contested mid range jump shots or should he be able to gain some separation against a bad defender? Should he be able to get by a bad defender and get to the rim?

This isn’t one clip worth, I gave you his abysmal isolation stats when he isn’t getting screens for the entire season, I can give you career numbers to show this is the norm for him.

Who are you talking about having bad games when Herro is defending them? Back your statements with something.

Bam got outplayed by Clint Capela? When did that happen?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tyler’s bad shooting nights seem to come quite often as well. In 30% of the games he’s played this season Tyler has attempted more shots than he’s scored points and there are a lot of games where it was very close, off by a shot or 2. That is mediocre scoring and horrible efficiency

[Tony15]

^Some scorers are just better as 6th men. I honestly wouldn't be totally opposed to maybe starting Duncan, and have Tyler reprise his role as supersub. It's not like we have to play Duncan starters minutes anyway, and having Tyler/Dipo/Caleb off the bench is not a bad deal all things considered.

PG: Gabe
SG: Duncan
SF: Jimmy
PF: Love
C: Bam

Bench: Tyler/Dipo/Caleb/Strus/Zeller

[AirP.]

I just don't understand this, especially when guarded by Trae Young.

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[AirP.]

^Some scorers are just better as 6th men. I honestly wouldn't be totally opposed to maybe starting Duncan, and have Tyler reprise his role as supersub. It's not like we have to play Duncan starters minutes anyway, and having Tyler/Dipo/Caleb off the bench is not a bad deal all things considered.

PG: Gabe
SG: Duncan
SF: Jimmy
PF: Love
C: Bam

Bench: Tyler/Dipo/Caleb/Strus/Zeller

The issue is that Miami gave him starter money and quite honestly, I don't like seeing him out there in the closing lineups because of lack of defense, same goes with Duncan. Strus is about the only 3pt shooter who is around just acceptable on defense to have out there. If you're giving out big money, if a player is negative on one side of the court, don't pay them big money unless they are DOMINATE on the other side of the court.

[Hallstar]

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You want more space than you’re getting? Make some for yourself for once, this is fuxkin embarrassing lol. One of the worst defenders in the league and he can’t gain any separation and get off high quality shots.

Herro in isolation this season: 0.68 points per possession, this is a guy who just signed for $30M a year to be not much else other than a scorer lol that is flat out horrible. If he’s not getting a screen he’s getting locked up

Where do you see Herro struggling to get to his spots there? Missing a shot is missing a shot. Whenever someone has a bad shooting night against Herro, it's never he defended well, they just shot poorly. Whenever Herro has a bad shooting night, it's he got locked up by Trae Young.

Similar how the opposite works when Bam is being played even by the Clint Capella's of the league

Are his spots contested mid range jump shots or should he be able to gain some separation against a bad defender? Should he be able to get by a bad defender and get to the rim?

This isn’t one clip worth, I gave you his abysmal isolation stats when he isn’t getting screens for the entire season, I can give you career numbers to show this is the norm for him.

Who are you talking about having bad games when Herro is defending them? Back your statements with something.

Bam got outplayed by Clint Capela? When did that happen?

Which one of those shots was the paint not packed? Bam's not getting 20 plus if his midrange isn't working on those same pick and pops/rolls you're crying about him setting for Herro.

Just come up the floor and pass to Bam at the Ft line, see how far we get

need help?

1st shot 3 red jerseys

2nd shot 4 red jerseys

3rd shot 4 red jerseys

[Hallstar]

^Some scorers are just better as 6th men. I honestly wouldn't be totally opposed to maybe starting Duncan, and have Tyler reprise his role as supersub. It's not like we have to play Duncan starters minutes anyway, and having Tyler/Dipo/Caleb off the bench is not a bad deal all things considered.

PG: Gabe
SG: Duncan
SF: Jimmy
PF: Love
C: Bam

Bench: Tyler/Dipo/Caleb/Strus/Zeller

The issue is that Miami gave him starter money and quite honestly, I don't like seeing him out there in the closing lineups because of lack of defense, same goes with Duncan. Strus is about the only 3pt shooter who is around just acceptable on defense to have out there. If you're giving out big money, if a player is negative on one side of the court, don't pay them big money unless they are DOMINATE on the other side of the court.

DEFENSE IS NOT THE PROBLEM, WE CANNOT SCORE.


Dead last in 3 pt shooting talking about more defense.