Jayson Tatum is clutch

[Harry Garris]

Clutch shots are made in the playoffs when the pressure is on and the games truly matter. Nothing against Tatum who might even have better clutch numbers in the postseason(too lazy to check), I just think stats like this are almost meaningless.

Yeah but he’s 2-3 in the playoffs too. Yeah I get it it’s a small sample size but there aren’t many opportunities to take game tying or winning shots in the playoffs and Tatum’s made the shots that he’s had the chance to take.

[Dennis Reynolds]

I'm very confused by this point of view. I can't imagine how making game winning shots is meaningless. Is the point not to win the game?

He's played 422 regular season games so far in his career and the sample size is still only 26 attempts. Of course it's better to make them but even if he only made 30% of those shots, meaning if he went 8 for 26 they would have lost only 5 extra games over 5 full seasons worth of games which makes the whole thing pretty meaningless.

Not to mention 5 missed shots over 422 games would make a clutch guy seem not clutch which is insanity, especially when being clutch is much more than that imo.

As I already said, not even talking about Tatum here, I just have no idea why people pay so much attention to such miniscule sample sizes unless they happen in the playoffs where every game matters and seasons are on the line.

Not meaningless at all. Missing one of those shots last year probably means Bucks gets home court advantage in the playoffs and they probably beat us and Tatum doesn’t go through to the finals gaining valuable experience. It’s all relative and it all matters

Bucks rested their whole team in the final game of the season cause they didn't want or care about the 2nd seed. They still had a chance to close you out at home in game 6. The next series you guys went out and eliminated Miami in game 7 on their floor after losing game 6 at home so home-court advantage didn't make a difference in that series(either). Despite all that experience you guys still lost the Finals with Tatum having by far the worst series of his whole playoff run so I gotta say I don't agree with you at all.

Even if you were right about home-court advantage in the 2nd round being key to your whole run, I just don't think you can pick and choose 2-3 shots over the course of a whole season worth of rebounds, shots and defensive possessions and call them crucial when it comes to securing that 2nd seed.

[bisme37]

I was hoping someone else might make a thread about this so I wouldn't have to go homer on y'all haha. But alas.

You gotta keep this stuff to yourself man. Next time Jayson bricks a clutch shot somebody bumps this and it's a whole thing.

So let them. I'm not going to alter my life because I'm scared of haters lol.

We're on an NBA forum and this is impressive and deserves a thread. Seems like JT's clutch stats are surprising to a lot of people so I'm glad I posted it. We get multiple threads daily about several other NBA players and everyone has survived.

[Revived]

It isn’t a stat to be overlooked but posters do bring up a good point, it when we see him have success in the playoffs people will then acknowledge his greatness

He's 24 and has led his team to 3 ECFs and 1 Finals.

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Tatum is definitely a beast but it’s funny how we use these numbers like 5 or 10 as the cut off. As a biased Suns fan, Booker did this as well but I guess he missed the cut off because he averaged 4.2 rebounds (as a guard) instead of 5.

[bisme37]

It isn’t a stat to be overlooked but posters do bring up a good point, it when we see him have success in the playoffs people will then acknowledge his greatness

He's 24 and has led his team to 3 ECFs and 1 Finals.

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Tatum is definitely a beast but it’s funny how we use these numbers like 5 or 10 as the cut off. As a biased Suns fan, Booker did this as well but I guess he missed the cut off because he averaged 4.2 rebounds (as a guard) instead of 5.

Yeah I get what you're saying. There's probably a Booker tweet somewhere saying something similar but with 4 instead of 5 haha.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Clutch shots are made in the playoffs when the pressure is on and the games truly matter. Nothing against Tatum who might even have better clutch numbers in the postseason(too lazy to check), I just think stats like this are almost meaningless.

I'm very confused by this point of view. I can't imagine how making game winning shots is meaningless. Is the point not to win the game?

He's played 422 regular season games so far in his career and the sample size is still only 26 attempts. Of course it's better to make them but even if he only made 30% of those shots, meaning if he went 8 for 26 they would have lost only 5 extra games over 5 full seasons worth of games which makes the whole thing pretty meaningless.

Not to mention it's insanity to say 5 shots over 422 games are the difference between being clutch and not clutch, especially when being clutch is much more than that imo.

As I already said, not even talking about Tatum here, I just have no idea why people pay so much attention to such miniscule sample sizes unless they happen in the playoffs where every game matters and seasons are on the line.

Yeah the sample size is insanely small here, like let's say he typically hits 35%/40% or whatever in this scenario, in 25 trials, sure he goes 13/25 sometimes...but that's not really reflective of his true ability because we don't know what he'd do over his next 25 attempts etc.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Clutch shots are made in the playoffs when the pressure is on and the games truly matter. Nothing against Tatum who might even have better clutch numbers in the postseason(too lazy to check), I just think stats like this are almost meaningless.

Yeah but he’s 2-3 in the playoffs too. Yeah I get it it’s a small sample size but there aren’t many opportunities to take game tying or winning shots in the playoffs and Tatum’s made the shots that he’s had the chance to take.

Saw that part of the tweet mentioning the playoffs a bit too late to edit my post

That said I completely agree with you, even if the sample size is miniscule those shots Tatum made in the playoffs matter, unlike the ones in the regular season, at least that's how I see it.

[Bum Adebayo]

One of the most underrated players I've ever seen, he is the best player in the league and he is really clutch, yet people act like there is zero argument for him being MVP just because his team is "stacked".

[ITYSL]

It isn’t a stat to be overlooked but posters do bring up a good point, it when we see him have success in the playoffs people will then acknowledge his greatness

I disagree, only because the vast majority of people don't define greatness as "winning a championship," which is how you'd have to define it to even claim that he hasn't had success in the playoffs. People acknowledge the greatness of many, many players who haven't won a championship. Is Jokic great? Is Embiid? Is Doncic? Is Lillard? Was Harden ever great?

[Triple M]

I think his numbers in the last 5 minutes of a game within 5 points is good too. What i think helps Tatum is that he is on the move on some of these buckets. On the move vs isolating and the Defense keying multiple defenders on you might be having a great impact here.

[DonaldSanders]

I was hoping someone else might make a thread about this so I wouldn't have to go homer on y'all haha. But alas.

You gotta keep this stuff to yourself man. Next time Jayson bricks a clutch shot somebody bumps this and it's a whole thing.

So let them. I'm not going to alter my life because I'm scared of haters lol.

We're on an NBA forum and this is impressive and deserves a thread. Seems like JT's clutch stats are surprising to a lot of people so I'm glad I posted it. We get multiple threads daily about several other NBA players and everyone has survived.

Sounds to me like Tatum has entered the "elite" zone, where a player's accomplishments start getting downplayed. Sometimes you have to take the negative comments as sort-of compliments, I wish I had figured that out with Curry earlier. There is always a higher bar to reach until you have like 4 championships, people will keep raising the bar

Personally I think it's an impressive stat, certainly thread worthy (I know I'd make a thread like this for one of our guys). I wonder what threads like these will seem like after the season, as to me the Celtics look like a clear top 3 team that I give the best % to win the Finals and JT likely will have to take some clutch shots.

[Blame Rasho]

It isn’t a stat to be overlooked but posters do bring up a good point, it when we see him have success in the playoffs people will then acknowledge his greatness

He's 24 and has led his team to 3 ECFs and 1 Finals.

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I have also seen him disappoint as well in the playoffs. He hasn’t been exposed as a lot of people like to say. My point is that he has not had a mofo playoffs yet or do you know me now run. Swap him and Butler do I think the Heat are better and Celtics are worse… yes.. I just wonder how big of a difference it is.

He isn’t like a transcendent player, but I think he has areas to improve in his game and you would agree with me.

You should also know better than to post simple stat lines in this inflated area. Several years ago you had Karl Anthony Towns post a better stat line than Tim Duncan MVP season, so putting some context behind stats should always be done.

[chilluminati]

Boston sure hits the jackpot with do-it-all 3 level 2 way wings. He'll go down as one of the greats, right up there with Bird.

[Pachinko_]

He's played 422 regular season games so far in his career and the sample size is still only 26 attempts. Of course it's better to make them but even if he only made 30% of those shots, meaning if he went 8 for 26 they would have lost only 5 extra games over 5 full seasons worth of games which makes the whole thing pretty meaningless.

Not to mention 5 missed shots over 422 games would make a clutch guy seem not clutch which is insanity, especially when being clutch is much more than that imo.

As I already said, not even talking about Tatum here, I just have no idea why people pay so much attention to such miniscule sample sizes unless they happen in the playoffs where every game matters and seasons are on the line.

Not meaningless at all. Missing one of those shots last year probably means Bucks gets home court advantage in the playoffs and they probably beat us and Tatum doesn’t go through to the finals gaining valuable experience. It’s all relative and it all matters

Bucks rested their whole team in the final game of the season cause they didn't want or care about the 2nd seed. They still had a chance to close you out at home in game 6. The next series you guys went out and eliminated Miami in game 7 on their floor after losing game 6 at home so home-court advantage didn't make a difference in that series(either). Despite all that experience you guys still lost the Finals with Tatum having by far the worst series of his whole playoff run so I gotta say I don't agree with you at all.

Even if you were right about home-court advantage in the 2nd round being key to your whole run, I just don't think you can pick and choose 2-3 shots over the course of a whole season worth of rebounds, shots and defensive possessions and call them crucial when it comes to securing that 2nd seed.

Νah that series wasn't about home court at all, they beat us twice at home and we beat them twice in Boston, it was almost like playing at home was actually a bad thing. And then the Celtics figured out how to best use their wing advantage at both ends and then it was over, at that point it didn't matter how many games we played or where we played them, we just didn't have the horses. Hence we added Crowder, Ingles and hopefully a healthy Middleton to equalise the wing somewhat and have another go.

[bisme37]

I have to get offline but I'm bumping this since folks are falsely impugning the clutchness of my handsome son Jayson Tatum in the other thread lol. I think it's legit impressive and it was only on the front page briefly when I posted it.

Please have a nice day.

[Roy T]

The sample size is way too low to hold any relevance statisticly.

Variance is no joke.