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Re: Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism 

Post#481 » by ShootersShoot » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:24 am

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What perk said isn't true, but he's not entirely wrong. The majority of the media is white. Winning 3 MVPs and constantly changing the goal posts is a lil sus. The apologies and excuses made for Joker are getting old.

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What are the goal posts that are being moved so Jokic can win? The fact last year that Denver was the 6th seed? That was nothing new, Westbrook won the MVP just a few years prior being the 6th seed. This whole thing about not being top 10 in scoring? Thats nothing new even if we get away from Nash and Dirk (who was technically in the top 10 of scoring), Magic racked up MVP's while not being top 10 in scoring.

What are the goal posts that are moving and new narratives being created so these white voters can vote for him? If there is a guy that the media is going to try to bend over backwards to create new narratives to vote for a guy to win MVP, I doubt its the guy with zero social media presence, doesnt do interviews or podcasts and plays for Denver of a places.

Maybe just maybe, Jokic has been the best and most valuable player in the regular season the last 3 years. And the NBA media that votes for these awards arent a bunch of people that are racist and just waiting for the chance to vote for a white guy.
I'd say he's more deserving this year than previous years.

The 6th seed being ok last year but two years ago Embiid has the 1st seed and the next a higher seed than Joker.

This year Joker has the 1 seed in historically one of the weakest western conferences we've had while Embiid has the 3 seed in an ultra competitive eastern conference.

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In 20/21, Jokic played 72 games to Biid's 51. That 21 game discrepancy was most likely a factor and rightfully so.

In 21/22 - Jokic definitely had the "lost his 2nd/3rd options for the season" narrative going for him. Not saying Jokic didnt deserve it but Embiid definitely had a mvp caliber year.
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Re: Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism 

Post#482 » by The Sebastian Express » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:25 am

I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.
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Re: Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism 

Post#483 » by D.Brasco » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:26 am

letskissbro wrote:Jokic isn't undeserving but he clearly doesn't suffer from the same arbitrary arguments that black players do.

If LeBron's name was LeBronović he'd have the 2006 and 2011 MVPs.


Is that a racial thing or an American thing? Top American players no doubt tend to have additional pressures and expectations on them because like LeBron was, they're often known entities beginning in high school. Not the same for overseas players. Few people knew who Luka or Jokic were before they entered the NBA, didn't have the same pressures entering the league.

I can agree that American players are held to higher standards but I am not convinced it's a race thing rather than nationality.
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Re: Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism 

Post#484 » by maxpower8888 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:26 am

ocelot17 wrote:Jokic does get held to a different standard. He’s on his way to winning his third mvp, yet nobody really expects him to win a championship.


Yeah... It's almost as if basketball is a team game and the Nuggets the past two years have not been as strong as the teams some of the other MVP candidates have been on.

During the past two seasons if you take Giannis out of Milwaukee, Embiid out of Philadelphia, Tatum out of Boston, and Jokic out of Denver, and then order the teams based on the strength of the roster on paper, people may disagree over #1, #2, and #3, but by far the weakest roster is Denver.
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Re: Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism 

Post#485 » by eyeatoma » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:28 am

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What are the goal posts that are being moved so Jokic can win? The fact last year that Denver was the 6th seed? That was nothing new, Westbrook won the MVP just a few years prior being the 6th seed. This whole thing about not being top 10 in scoring? Thats nothing new even if we get away from Nash and Dirk (who was technically in the top 10 of scoring), Magic racked up MVP's while not being top 10 in scoring.

What are the goal posts that are moving and new narratives being created so these white voters can vote for him? If there is a guy that the media is going to try to bend over backwards to create new narratives to vote for a guy to win MVP, I doubt its the guy with zero social media presence, doesnt do interviews or podcasts and plays for Denver of a places.

Maybe just maybe, Jokic has been the best and most valuable player in the regular season the last 3 years. And the NBA media that votes for these awards arent a bunch of people that are racist and just waiting for the chance to vote for a white guy.
I'd say he's more deserving this year than previous years.

The 6th seed being ok last year but two years ago Embiid has the 1st seed and the next a higher seed than Joker.

This year Joker has the 1 seed in historically one of the weakest western conferences we've had while Embiid has the 3 seed in an ultra competitive eastern conference.

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Okay lets look at the MVP case 2 years ago.

Jokic:
Denver 47 wins
Wins with Jokic playing: 47 wins
Jokic didnt miss a game
Jokic led the NBA in VORP, PER, WS/48, BPM, Raptor. Had a slightly better RPM than Embiid

Oh wait, you're bring up advanced stats again lol... Is there any other argument?

Embiid:
Philly 49 wins
Wins with Embiid playing: 39 wins
Embiid missed 21 games in a shortened 72 game season

So whats the case for Embiid for MVP 2 years ago? The fact that Philly won 10 more games without him to push Philly's win total above Denver's?

The case? He was the betting odds favorite at the all star break, and on the straw poll. Just like he was last year, before Zach Lowe and friends threw a hissy fit on their podcasts.

Last year's MVP. Again a 6th seed winning MVP was not something new they did for Jokic. It was literally done 5 years prior. And again what is the argument for Embiid over Jokic last year? Philly having 3 more total wins than Denver? Even though again Jokic played in more wins. Then when it comes to all the advanced metrics, Jokic's lead was even bigger.

I think it's hilarious that people use the narrative to support Joker last year saying he was missing two teammates, where Embiid had Harris, and 2nd year player in Maxey, and no Ben SImmons. A multiple all star DPOY level player. That is more, if not equally as impressive as what Joker did.

So again where are these goal posts clearly moving so these white voters can vote for Jokic?
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Post#486 » by jokeboy86 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:29 am

letskissbro wrote:Jokic isn't undeserving but he clearly doesn't suffer from the same arbitrary arguments that black players do.

If LeBron's name was LeBronović he'd have the 2006 and 2011 MVPs.


Are people really missing the context of him winning the MVP the past two seasons? For the umpteenth time, Embiid and Giannis's teams only finished 3 games ahead of Jokic and Jokic was missing his 2nd and 3rd best player and was the PER leader last year. The year before Embiid missed too many games and Giannis team finished behind Jokic's and Jokic again was the PER leader. I'm African American but this whole notion in '23 that everything having to do with a white person winning or selling more than a black person is racism has gone too far. I admit there are still absolutely circumstances where it still happens but now people act like its a conspiracy every single time. Whether's it's Eminem, Adele, or Timberlake or Taylor Swift or Harry Styles or the Oscars, or Tyson Fury or Loma or now Jokic and probably pretty soon Luka. It's not that deep every single time. And another thing that people forget is a lot of time the people voting for white entertainers or athletes or contributing to their success nowadays are Black people. Which goes to show you not everybody black is seeing things in that lens 24/7 and it doesn't mean they're necessarily a conservative or a sell out either which people are quick to accuse them of. And again we're talking about entertainment lol. We're talking about games that little kids play or things that people receive little gold idol trophies for. Let's save that energy for other things.
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Post#487 » by eyeatoma » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:30 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.


Thank you, this!!!!!!!

White population media, covering a predominantly black sport. Glad someone said it. I've said before, the biggest mistake was letting the media vote for MVP.
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Post#488 » by phanman » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:32 am

ocelot17 wrote:Jokic does get held to a different standard. He’s on his way to winning his third mvp, yet nobody really expects him to win a championship.

What are you talking about :lol: This is the first season where there are some real expectations for Denver to make some noise. If you think he won't get killed for at least not making the Finals this season, your crazy.

The year he won his first MVP, he lost his co-star Jamal Murray to a torn ACL late in the season. The team still went 16-7 without him and got the 3rd seed. The won their first round matchup against the Dubs and were swept by an overmatched Suns squad that went onto the Finals. I'm sorry, was he expected to win a chip with a 22yo MPJ and a mid-season acquisition in Gordon?

When he won his second MVP, he did so with Jamal missing the entire season and MPJ only playing 9 games. :roll: I mean Will freakin Barton was their second best player in that playoff run. Was he expected to win a chip here too?
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Post#489 » by eyeatoma » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:32 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
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What are the goal posts that are being moved so Jokic can win? The fact last year that Denver was the 6th seed? That was nothing new, Westbrook won the MVP just a few years prior being the 6th seed. This whole thing about not being top 10 in scoring? Thats nothing new even if we get away from Nash and Dirk (who was technically in the top 10 of scoring), Magic racked up MVP's while not being top 10 in scoring.

What are the goal posts that are moving and new narratives being created so these white voters can vote for him? If there is a guy that the media is going to try to bend over backwards to create new narratives to vote for a guy to win MVP, I doubt its the guy with zero social media presence, doesnt do interviews or podcasts and plays for Denver of a places.

Maybe just maybe, Jokic has been the best and most valuable player in the regular season the last 3 years. And the NBA media that votes for these awards arent a bunch of people that are racist and just waiting for the chance to vote for a white guy.
I'd say he's more deserving this year than previous years.

The 6th seed being ok last year but two years ago Embiid has the 1st seed and the next a higher seed than Joker.

This year Joker has the 1 seed in historically one of the weakest western conferences we've had while Embiid has the 3 seed in an ultra competitive eastern conference.

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Okay lets look at the MVP case 2 years ago.

Jokic:
Denver 47 wins
Wins with Jokic playing: 47 wins
Jokic didnt miss a game
Jokic led the NBA in VORP, PER, WS/48, BPM, Raptor. Had a slightly better RPM than Embiid

Embiid:
Philly 49 wins
Wins with Embiid playing: 39 wins
Embiid missed 21 games in a shortened 72 game season

So whats the case for Embiid for MVP 2 years ago? The fact that Philly won 10 more games without him to push Philly's win total above Denver's?

Last year's MVP. Again a 6th seed winning MVP was not something new they did for Jokic. It was literally done 5 years prior. And again what is the argument for Embiid over Jokic last year? Philly having 3 more total wins than Denver? Even though again Jokic played in more wins. Then when it comes to all the advanced metrics, Jokic's lead was even bigger.

So again where are these goal posts clearly moving so these white voters can vote for Jokic?


Also, I didn't see you address how weak the West is this year. The east is stronger. Philly's wins hold higher value than the Denver's.
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Post#490 » by RB34 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:33 am

If all the voters are racist white devils why aren’t Luka & Jokic, 1 & 2 on the ladder?
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Post#491 » by eyeatoma » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:37 am

RB34 wrote:If all the voters are racist white devils why aren’t Luka & Jokic, 1 & 2 on the ladder?



Luka was the odds on favorite to win the MVP to start the year.
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Post#492 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:37 am

eyeatoma wrote:
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eyeatoma wrote:I'd say he's more deserving this year than previous years.

The 6th seed being ok last year but two years ago Embiid has the 1st seed and the next a higher seed than Joker.

This year Joker has the 1 seed in historically one of the weakest western conferences we've had while Embiid has the 3 seed in an ultra competitive eastern conference.

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Okay lets look at the MVP case 2 years ago.

Jokic:
Denver 47 wins
Wins with Jokic playing: 47 wins
Jokic didnt miss a game
Jokic led the NBA in VORP, PER, WS/48, BPM, Raptor. Had a slightly better RPM than Embiid

Oh wait, you're bring up advanced stats again lol... Is there any other argument?

Embiid:
Philly 49 wins
Wins with Embiid playing: 39 wins
Embiid missed 21 games in a shortened 72 game season

So whats the case for Embiid for MVP 2 years ago? The fact that Philly won 10 more games without him to push Philly's win total above Denver's?

The case? He was the betting odds favorite at the all star break, and on the straw poll. Just like he was last year, before Zach Lowe and friends threw a hissy fit on their podcasts.

Last year's MVP. Again a 6th seed winning MVP was not something new they did for Jokic. It was literally done 5 years prior. And again what is the argument for Embiid over Jokic last year? Philly having 3 more total wins than Denver? Even though again Jokic played in more wins. Then when it comes to all the advanced metrics, Jokic's lead was even bigger.

I think it's hilarious that people use the narrative to support Joker last year saying he was missing two teammates, where Embiid had Harris, and 2nd year player in Maxey, and no Ben SImmons. A multiple all star DPOY level player. That is more, if not equally as impressive as what Joker did.

So again where are these goal posts clearly moving so these white voters can vote for Jokic?


Is there any other argument than advanced stats? Dude I literally just laid it out for you. He played 20 more games and won more games that year than Embiid. And if you dont like advanced stats (never a good argument by the way to just laugh off legit data by the way), fine lets go to raw stats. Jokic had the slight lead in rebounds per game, averaged double the assists (while having the same amount of turnovers), and had more steals. All Embiid had was a 2ppg advantage (Jokic was the more efficient scorer) and a .7 advantage in blocks. So whether you want to look at wins, advanced stats, or raw stats, Jokic had the advantage. Also what happened after the all star game that year? Oh thats right, Embiid missed 15 of the last 36 games of that season. That kind of plays a big part.

And I have no clue what your second reply is about. Literally didnt reference a single thing I said in my post at all. I didnt mention teammates missing or quality of teammates in my post one time.

And for your last post saying I didnt mention East vs West strength and how that should play a part. Talk about goal posts moving haha. I dont recall that being a big talking point say when Giannis won his 1st MVP even though the West was drastically stronger than the East that year.
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Post#493 » by maxpower8888 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:38 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.


What are you talking about? There is a lot of revisionist history going on in this thread. Every time people in the media talk about Jokic winning the MVP, it comes with some sort of caveat.

In 2021, the narrative was that Embiid was actually the better player but Jokic won it because of Embiid's injuries, even though Jokic overall had better stats that season and a worse team to work with.

In 2022, the narrative was that Jokic had great stats but his team's record wasn't good enough, even though just a few years prior they awarded the MVP to a player who had good stats but who's team record wasn't good enough.

In 2019 when Giannis had won it the first time, the media had largely crowned him the best player in the world. But now if you turn on any sports media outlet you'll get the same talking points:

"Jokic is great, he's having a great season but they probably won't win the championship."
"Jokic is the MVP but I'd still take <Giannis / Embiid / Tatum> over him."

Jokic is arguably one of the least praised people by the media. There is always a "but", "Jokic is great, but..." He may very well be the best player in the world right now but nobody will actually say it in the media.
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Post#494 » by RB34 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:39 am

eyeatoma wrote:
RB34 wrote:If all the voters are racist white devils why aren’t Luka & Jokic, 1 & 2 on the ladder?



Luka was the odds on favorite to win the MVP to start the year.


That’s not the question I asked.

But why do you think that is? Because he’s white?
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Post#495 » by VFX » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:40 am

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The Sebastian Express wrote:I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.


Thank you, this!!!!!!!

White population media, covering a predominantly black sport. Glad someone said it. I've said before, the biggest mistake was letting the media vote for MVP.


Yeah, that pesky 60% of the country being white is problematic for nba MVP voting.

We should really do something about that.

(except it’s not and you are fighting invisible racists in your head)
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Post#496 » by CIN-C-STAR » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:42 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.


People have been saying for Lebron's entire career that he doesn't get as friendly of a whistle as other superstars and should probably be going to the line more the way he attacks the basket (moreso when he was young of course).
I think Lebron, like Jokic, is a big, strong dude who doesn't really flop constantly like some of these other guys and that's why they don't get as many calls.
Embiid obviously is the floppiest big man in the league by quite a bit, so of course you don't hear that narrative about him.
I'm not saying there is no truth to what you're saying but to pin it all on racial bias seems to be intentionally ignoring some other relevant context imo.
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Post#497 » by JDR720 » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:42 am

The Sebastian Express wrote:I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.

The issue with that argument is those white media people still voted for black players the vast majority of the time. And many of those voters are black too, including most of the best known ones. Stephen A has a vote. Mike Wilbon has a vote. Chris Broussard has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Chris Herring has a vote. Jalen Rose has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Even Kendrick Perkins has a vote.

The NBA media voters are basically a cast of ESPN, SI and The Athletic media people.

Here is the list I found:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview
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Post#498 » by life_saver » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:47 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:I think they need to stay out there to expose the hypocrisy. Rachel Nichols did almost the EXACT same thing and lost her career. The double standard is wild.


Yeah, but the point is Perk will still have a job and a career


Ya but why wouldnt he? Again Perk isnt getting paid to make great analytical points. He is getting paid to get people to click and watch. He's doing exactly that. I dont understand why Perk should lose his job over this. Again he has basically been ESPN's MVP when it comes to the NBA over the last month or so. I honestly think there is a better chance ESPN turns this into Perk and JJ getting their own show than Perk getting fired.


This thing diminishes the efforts that the NBA, the players and partners make in promoting "social justice".

Allowing this guy to freely imply that three players won MVP awards because of the colour of their skin is not a good look and the example will be used by some people.

Example? Check the twitter handle of this account that is using the video now.

Read on Twitter


The NBA/ESPN either want to be taken seriously or they don't. To be taken seriously, they need to be consistent. So in this case, I am afraid Perkins should be suspended at the very least. No action, just means that ESPN (and the NBA) are cool with racist remarks.

Can't agree more... Perkins saying bs like this also undermines the scenarios and people who actually were affected by racism
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Re: Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism 

Post#499 » by eyeatoma » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:49 am

I love how people get uncomfortable the moment race is brought up. This is exactly why the world is the way it is. I do want to say, racism doesn't just exist from white people. It exists in every single culture in every single country. I'm Indian, and we are some of the most racist people in the world. But, it's okay to say that white privilege, and subconscious racism plays a part in the favoritism given to Jokic. The idea that he can do no wrong, but players like Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Joel Embiid, and Kevin Durant get vilanized for their actions, decisions, or style of play.

I don't deny that white players have to overcome a great amount of stigmatism, and stereotypes because of the color of their skin. Breaking into a predominantly black sport, you have to really prove yourself. Jokic has earned that, and he is one of the best players in the world. But I guarantee you, if this was a black player and they hadn't won a chip or atleast made the finals, that player would not be in the running for MVP.

That being said, black players will always have the microscope on them. LeBron James, people are constantly searching for things to break him down. Tom Brady? The dude clearly cheats and he's lauded as the greatest of all time. I'd be curious to see how many people on this thread are people of color, compared to caucasians. You can say that doesn't matter, but we all know it does, and if this was face to face, these conversations would be a lot more heated. People only say the things they say on this board because they have a screen behind them protecting them.
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Re: Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism 

Post#500 » by eyeatoma » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:50 am

JDR720 wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:I know not a lot of people want to hear this on this board but you can actually see this in effect with the new discourse around the scratches and cuts on Jokic. And how there's now this idea that he doesn't get enough trips to the line despite the way he's all cut up.

But all players get cut up. Terribly so. As another person who is extremely, extremely, and I do mean extremely blindingly white - it's a lot easier to see cuts on white skin than it is on darker skin. But we never hear a real discourse around how cut up Joel Embiid, LeBron, etc may be as well.

This extends into other areas of athletes. I'm mean let's not be disingenuous and sit here and act like American media doesn't salivate at the possibility of a next great white hope athlete, especially in basketball. This is a real thing that happens. Maybe less so these days but it does linger, it does help shape the narrative.

This isn't to discount Jokic's accomplishments by any means, a remarkable talent. We can still recognize his greatness while acknowledging how the media might be more eager to praise him and what he's done and shower him with awards based on his appearance. That isn't an indictment of Jokic, it's an indictment of a media that's still heavily white covering American professional sports which are decidedly not.

The issue with that argument is those white media people still voted for black players the vast majority of the time. And many of those voters are black too, including most of the best known ones. Stephen A has a vote. Mike Wilbon has a vote. Chris Broussard has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Greg Anthony has a vote. Chris Herring has a vote. Jalen Rose has a vote. David Aldridge has a vote. Even Kendrick Perkins has a vote.

The NBA media voters are basically a cast of ESPN, SI and The Athletic media people.

Here is the list I found:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview


I mean, there weren't any white players to choose from. If there were, it would be more apparent.

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