Update: Ja Morant Suspended 8 Games by NBA (Could return to court Wed 3/22)

[CobraCommander]

This guy.

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People like Pat Bev frustrate the hell out of me. People that say they from the street and that they love the kids, yet don’t condemn the people that make “the street” dangerous to walk down for kids.

Ja is demonstrating gang behavior that cost 600- 700 lives a year by gun/gang violence in a mere 20-30 blocks Chicago per year.… for clarity - and for the stats guys… if they do the real per capita murder rate in Chicago based on the people in the danger zones and not include the rest of Chicago the murder rate is as bad or worse than any city on earth- 3rd world included….

Anyone not condemning ja is condoning gang violence that disproportionately impacts the people from Pat Bevs area in Chicago.


Sometimes I wonder if any of these guys paid attention in school…

[kg01]

This guy.

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People like Pat Bev frustrate the hell out of me. People that say they from the street and that they love the kids, yet don’t condemn the people that make “the street” dangerous to walk down for kids.

Ja is demonstrating gang behavior that cost 600- 700 lives a year by gun/gang violence in a mere 20-30 blocks Chicago per year.… for clarity - and for the stats guys… if they do the real per capita murder rate in Chicago based on the people in the danger zones and not include the rest of Chicago the murder rate is as bad or worse than any city on earth- 3rd world included….

Anyone not condemning ja is condoning gang violence that disproportionately impacts the people from Pat Bevs area in Chicago.


Sometimes I wonder if any of these guys paid attention in school…

The problem is, sorta as your alluding, who we (as a society) go to for intelligent commentary on things in general. Why would anyone put a lot (if any) stock in what Beverly has to say, really? But, because that's who they go to, that's all we have.

Not saying players, and famous people in general, can't speak on 'stuff'. Just wondering why TF do we listen so often.

[CobraCommander]

That'd be hard to prove though. We don't even know if it was his own gun he was posing with, he could easily claim someone in his posse had the gun and lent it to him for the pose (very difficult to disprove yet again, even if the gun is registered to Ja).

I don't know why people act like all these things are so difficult to prove. They are doing an actual police investigation in Colorado, so they'll certainly talk to his hangers on to see what the truth might be.

NBA is also going to talk to his teammates(the cops might want to, as well) and question them about all the stuff that went on.

Even if it may be difficult to meet standards of proof for legal charges, there will be plenty of proof for his employee(the NBA) to throw the book at Ja because they're not held to the same standards of proof.

Right-

Beyond the legal jeopardy, the NBA as a private org can suspend him for as long as needed. The players union wading into this would would have a hell Of a time balancing their social stance on BLM and reconciling Ja flashing a gun and talking about his “ops”…. If they care about credibility the NBA is going to get to the bottom of this at a level beyond the legal burden of truth

Many forget that Aaron Herndez changed things. Leagues can’t ignore “smoke” assuming that the playing demostrating that they are in a gang or a thug isn’t a thug… the smoke has to be assumed or at least investigated as being a fire. Ja has a history of violence with guns- alleged or not… it’s out there now

[CobraCommander]

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People like Pat Bev frustrate the hell out of me. People that say they from the street and that they love the kids, yet don’t condemn the people that make “the street” dangerous to walk down for kids.

Ja is demonstrating gang behavior that cost 600- 700 lives a year by gun/gang violence in a mere 20-30 blocks Chicago per year.… for clarity - and for the stats guys… if they do the real per capita murder rate in Chicago based on the people in the danger zones and not include the rest of Chicago the murder rate is as bad or worse than any city on earth- 3rd world included….

Anyone not condemning ja is condoning gang violence that disproportionately impacts the people from Pat Bevs area in Chicago.


Sometimes I wonder if any of these guys paid attention in school…

The problem is, sorta as your alluding, who we (as a society) go to for intelligent commentary on things in general. Why would anyone put a lot (if any) stock in what Beverly has to say, really? But, because that's who they go to, that's all we have.

Not saying players, and famous people in general, can't speak on 'stuff'. Just wondering why TF do we listen so often.

The problem is- Pat Bev should have a ton of credibility on this subject-

from Chicago- damn near the gang capitol of USA

black (which matters because it black people dying in massive numbers from and of gang violence),

with kids (again it’s young people dying mostly)

and he got out and made it to the NBA like Ja…

When someone messes up you THIS bad you gotta either shut up or step up - you can’t put this type of BS out there

Because what Pat just said is Ja is the face of the culture and Ja just said the culture is gang culture…

You can’t have it both ways

[kg01]

People like Pat Bev frustrate the hell out of me. People that say they from the street and that they love the kids, yet don’t condemn the people that make “the street” dangerous to walk down for kids.

Ja is demonstrating gang behavior that cost 600- 700 lives a year by gun/gang violence in a mere 20-30 blocks Chicago per year.… for clarity - and for the stats guys… if they do the real per capita murder rate in Chicago based on the people in the danger zones and not include the rest of Chicago the murder rate is as bad or worse than any city on earth- 3rd world included….

Anyone not condemning ja is condoning gang violence that disproportionately impacts the people from Pat Bevs area in Chicago.


Sometimes I wonder if any of these guys paid attention in school…

The problem is, sorta as your alluding, who we (as a society) go to for intelligent commentary on things in general. Why would anyone put a lot (if any) stock in what Beverly has to say, really? But, because that's who they go to, that's all we have.

Not saying players, and famous people in general, can't speak on 'stuff'. Just wondering why TF do we listen so often.

The problem is- Pat Bev should have a ton of credibility on this subject-

from Chicago- damn near the gang capitol of USA

black (which matters because it black people dying in massive numbers from and of gang violence),

with kids (again it’s young people dying mostly)

and he got out and made it to the NBA like Ja…

When someone messes up you THIS bad you gotta either shut up or step up - you can’t put this type of BS out there

Because what Pat just said is Ja is the face of the culture and Ja just said the culture is gang culture…

You can’t have it both ways

Eh, that all makes sense. But none of it precludes him from also being an idiot. Or, said another way, it doesn't mean he's capable of navigating through complicated social issues and recognizing the impact of his words.

[CobraCommander]

The problem is, sorta as your alluding, who we (as a society) go to for intelligent commentary on things in general. Why would anyone put a lot (if any) stock in what Beverly has to say, really? But, because that's who they go to, that's all we have.

Not saying players, and famous people in general, can't speak on 'stuff'. Just wondering why TF do we listen so often.

The problem is- Pat Bev should have a ton of credibility on this subject-

from Chicago- damn near the gang capitol of USA

black (which matters because it black people dying in massive numbers from and of gang violence),

with kids (again it’s young people dying mostly)

and he got out and made it to the NBA like Ja…

When someone messes up you THIS bad you gotta either shut up or step up - you can’t put this type of BS out there

Because what Pat just said is Ja is the face of the culture and Ja just said the culture is gang culture…

You can’t have it both ways

Eh, that all makes sense. But none of it precludes him from also being an idiot. Or, said another way, it doesn't mean he's capable of navigating through complicated social issues and recognizing the impact of his words.

Which is why he frustrates me-

Pat Bev will be the first guy going back to a school in Chicago saying “stay away from gangs and work hard and you can make it out” but then not condemn in the strongest terms possible someone that was NEVER in a gang glorifying gang life… you can’t make up this level of hypocrisy

[Ballerhogger]

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?s=20 No crime was charged on Ja not enough evidence

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I am not saying he didn’t bring it on the plane, but it is just as likely he didn’t. He very easily and realistically could have gotten it at the club as someone else handed it to him. Which makes sense in its own right why he would take the picture. That’s as believable as he has been smuggling guns across the country. I just don’t know that it can be proven outside of who the owner is, and do the police even have the gun? Do they know whose it is? Ja likes hanging out with hip hop artists likely could be from a local crew he was hanging with.

Oddly I am not a gun guy but I have been handed so many guns in my life that people are showing off and it always freaks me out. I am talking about people I barely know (generally customers in their office) like wtf.

Unless Ja was waving it around on the plane though I think it will be damn near impossible that it is going to be proven he brought it on the plane.

Now all that being said dude needs to take the rest of the season off honestly and get his head on straight. Highly doubt this happens though.

I agree with your first part, but Ja is going have to have a police statement and a statement to the NBA. He is going have to explain whose gun it is and where it came from. I don't think "I don't know whose gun it is" is an acceptable answer to be cooperating with the NBA even if it will get him off legally. I believe the NFL has gotten texts from players phones before so wouldn't be shocked if the NBA requests Jas phone to back up the story. Like best case scenario from a NBA perspective is he was holding someone else's gun while drunk. If he wasn't licensed to have the gun does it make it worse? I honestly don't know. Maybe you are right they can't prove anything, but if he isn't being cooperative I could see the NBA throwing the book down.

[Airmiess]

Im not surprised characters like Pierce and Patrick Beverly are enabling the behavior of Ja.

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Im not surprised characters like Pierce and Patrick Beverly are enabling the behavior of Ja.

Paul Pierce almost died because he wanted to be about that life. I'm not sure how well known the story is on the national level but even in the Boston market it's one of those things that seems to get brushed under the rug and isn't mentioned much anymore.

Got stabbed 11 times from known gangbangers at a night club - most people believe the only thing that saved him was his leather jacket which helped to lessen the damage.

I'm glad the league has stepped in with Ja before it's too late. It's now all up to Ja - pardon the pun but the ball is in his court now.

[Pointgod]

Im not surprised characters like Pierce and Patrick Beverly are enabling the behavior of Ja.

Paul Pierce almost died because he wanted to be about that life. I'm not sure how well known the story is on the national level but even in the Boston market it's one of those things that seems to get brushed under the rug and isn't mentioned much anymore.

Got stabbed 11 times from known gangbangers at a night club - most people believe the only thing that saved him was his leather jacket which helped to lessen the damage.

I'm glad the league has stepped in with Ja before it's too late. It's now all up to Ja - pardon the pun but the ball is in his court now.

Wasn’t he stabbed by Benzino? Or maybe that’s just what Benzino claims to her Street Cred

[Duke4life831]

As someone who lived in Denver for 4 years, I can safely say there is no such thing as “Nuggets Country”. This is no shot at the Denver fan base or anything like that, but there is no doubt what so ever that Denver is “Broncos Country”. I’ve never been in a place that is more hardcore about their football than Denver is. When I lived there, even during NFL offseason and middle of NBA season (like right now), 95% of the talk on sports radio was still all about the Broncos.

Again don’t get me wrong, no shot at the Nuggets fan base, it’s not like they struggle to sell out games or anything. But ya the worry of the police department being so big Nuggets fans that they’re doing this to help out the Nuggets isn’t a thing.

It's kind of hard to emphasize how true this is. Maybe if the Nuggets make the Finals the sports talk here would spend a little more time on them than who should be 2nd string on the nose tackle depth chart, but even then I wouldn't bet on it.

Any Intel on the Melo/AI glory days in Denver?

That was before my time. My last year in Denver was Jokic's 3rd season. Even if the Nuggets talk has increased in Denver, we are still talking a tiny change. For comparison, I think this would be like Alabama becoming "Alabama basketball country". The Bronco fanbase is legit hardcore. You can put Luka on the Nuggets with Jokic and they win the championship and the next day sports radio will still probably be majority NFL offseason talk. Again no shot to the Nuggets fanbase, its a good fanbase. Its just that city's sports culture revolves around their Broncos.

[zshawn10]

https://youtu.be/D5yZpZLG0Qo

Draymond destroys Brooks and has a message for Ja

[Statlanta]

Ironically the reason he was popular with the kids was the gang-related stuff. If he gets cleaned up the next guy who comes into the league will steal his attention and social media cred. Not to say he shouldn't change his life because he should but shifting his brand and entourage could do significant damages to his marketing.

[The Rebel]

It's kind of hard to emphasize how true this is. Maybe if the Nuggets make the Finals the sports talk here would spend a little more time on them than who should be 2nd string on the nose tackle depth chart, but even then I wouldn't bet on it.

Any Intel on the Melo/AI glory days in Denver?

That was before my time. My last year in Denver was Jokic's 3rd season. Even if the Nuggets talk has increased in Denver, we are still talking a tiny change. For comparison, I think this would be like Alabama becoming "Alabama basketball country". The Bronco fanbase is legit hardcore. You can put Luka on the Nuggets with Jokic and they win the championship and the next day sports radio will still probably be majority NFL offseason talk. Again no shot to the Nuggets fanbase, its a good fanbase. Its just that city's sports culture revolves around their Broncos.

Prior to the mid 90s the Nuggets got decent coverage, it was still a majority Broncos but it wasn't nearly like it has become. As a Colorado native I can tell you the Nuggets lost most of their fan base in the 90s, over a decade of incompetent and broke ownership as well as terrible drafting and crappy coaching will do that to a franchise. It started to recover during the Melo years but the Melo drama, the AI years, and the way that team was destroyed and dumped, along with actual performance overall couldn't help but ruin that as well.


The Melo Ai years had a worse reputation than they really were, at least in Denver. They drank and partied a lot but mostly in higher end clubs and stayed pretty calm overall. Although it was at Kmart's birthday party that the words started that led to the Darrent Williams killing. The team were reportedly always decent to staff and tipped okay. Although I heard at one point that Karl was threatening to make them do breathalyzers prior to practice due to the drinking.


They were also known to go a little crazy on the road and to take trips to Vegas when there were the 3 or 4 days between games. There were rumors confirmed by insiders that Kmart's brother slept with Andre Miller's wife and JR pulled some stupid pranks but not much more than that. Overall they were not bad.

[hauntedcomputer]

Yeah, playing the rehab card might get him some slack from the league, especially with voluntary time served instead of an official suspension (wouldn't be surprised if this is the route the league takes).

But it's easier to never be photographed with a gun than never be photographed with a beer. And his street cred is shot. A clever character could play the recovery redemption arc and keep all the sponsorships and a new audience, but that doesn't seem within Ja's wheelhouse.

Personally I'd just ride out the gun thing and go on with my life, but then again I am rational and want lots of money and club life is the last thing that interests me.

[azcatz11]

Glad he was cleared by the police - they didn't have anything on him. That would have been ridiculous to charge him and gaslight for no reason.

Now time to move on.

[CobraCommander]

Ironically the reason he was popular with the kids was the gang-related stuff. If he gets cleaned up the next guy who comes into the league will steal his attention and social media cred. Not to say he shouldn't change his life because he should but shifting his brand and entourage could do significant damages to his marketing.

Wait you think the kids care more about the gang stuff than dancing, cool hair and being able to fly???

Don’t confuse Ja’s bravado with gang life…. The gang stuff may look similar to the unintitiated
But gang bNgers ain’t out here doing the gritty when they kill someone lol

I know there is some intersection- but Ja would be just as popular or more - if he just talked crap like Luka and Book… and handled like a boss on the court -

Nike and Powerade will drop him quick if they think he is gang affiliated-

[CobraCommander]

Glad he was cleared by the police - they didn't have anything on him. That would have been ridiculous to charge him and gaslight for no reason.

Now time to move on.

Unusually agree with you but I would like to see you Dancing at a strip club with a gun with your shirt off and have the charges dropped. You would get hit with some crime…

Let’s not forget ja got access to the best lawyers money can buy - ja getting that OJ treatment… we know he guilty of at least reckless endangerment- but You know… he rich

[azcatz11]

Glad he was cleared by the police - they didn't have anything on him. That would have been ridiculous to charge him and gaslight for no reason.

Now time to move on.

Unusually agree with you but I would like to see you Dancing at a strip club with a gun with your shirt off and have the charges dropped. You would get hit with some crime…

Let’s not forget ja got access to the best lawyers money can buy - ja getting that OJ treatment… we know he guilty of at least reckless endangerment- but You know… he rich

I’m not a Ja fan or grizzlies fan by any means but I don’t think you should be able to charge someone without proving it was a gun. I know it was a gun but you’re going down a slippery slope…it’s like the red light traffic tickets. You need an officer to serve you to be hit with a crime. That’s my position. I think the suspension is fine