Hal14 wrote:clyde21 wrote:Hal14 wrote:I go off listed heights until proven otherwise. You say 6'5" with nothing of any substance to base that on.
Players listed with pre-draft weight and college rebounding %
Whitmore 232 lbs, 12.2%
Isaac Okoro 225 lbs, 7.6%
Jaylen Brown 223 lbs, 10.8%
Miles Bridges 225 lbs, 12.5%
Looking at this, Whitmore compares closer to Bridges, who has played mostly at the 4 in the NBA.
Brown's versatility (being able to seamlessly shift between the 2 and the 3) has made him a much more valuable NBA player. He's also played a little bit here and there at the 4. Him and tatum are essentially interchangeable when it comes to positions. Tatum is taller but Brown is bulkier & has 1" longer wingspan, both have rebounded well enough to be a small ball 4 man. Brown matched up very well vs Siakam when the celtics beat the raptors in 2020 Playoffs.
lol - why would go off listed heights knowingly fully well they are overinflated the majority of time? I don't need to see Villanova's listed height to see the guy clearly isn't 4-sized on the court. the guy is 6-5 with a 6-8 w/s is my best guess - if he's a lot bigger than that congrats to him that definitely makes more intriguing, but most of the time the eye test doesn't really lie when it comes to size.
and Miles Bridges played the 4 by necessity, everyone played up a position on those Hornets team including PJ who was a C, doesn't mean he should be scaled as a center. in an ideal lineup Bridges he's a 3, and he also came in with a 6-10 wingspan, we'll see if Cam comes close to that but again eye test says he won't.
what advantages are you gaining by playing Cam as a 4 instead of a 2 or 3?
You're just guessing.
We could all have different eye tests. Eye tests are subjective. You could ask 3 different people how tall they think he is. You say 6'5", someone else might say 6'6" and someone else might say 6'7".
Or we could be objective and go off the most recently published height, which is 6'7". Mcdonalds all american game last year listed him 6'6". After that was FIBA, and they listed him 6'6". Then he goes to villanova and they list him at 6'7".
Rebounding % is also objective and is an indicator of how "big" a guy plays. You said Whitmore is a 2 and you're concerned for his versatility that he can't play the 3. I say that's laughable to say about a guy listed at 232 lbs and a rebounding % of 12.2%. He weighed more predraft than Miles Bridges, Okoro and Jaylen Brown and Whitmore posted a higher rebounding % than brown and Okoro.
Just saying, I'm not worried about his ability to play the 3. Especially in today's NBA when teams play smaller lineups more and more.
look - it's either you guys actually read what's being said and pay attention or don't bother getting involved in the discussion. no one said he can't play the 3 at any point.
the discussion is if he's a 2/3 or a 3/4. i think, based on his size that we can clearly see on the court (this is not a guess we have eyes and can see his size) he doesn't have the shoulders, wingspan or raw height to be scaled as a 4, and if that's your plan for him, not sure what advantages you're looking for by playing him there.
playing him at the 2 tho, you're getting a size/rebounding advantage for the position that completely disappears if you'd rather play him as a four instead, which just doesn't make any sense. can he do it in spot minutes? sure I guess, but why would I even want that?
and it's really not that hard to guess and see how players will measure. i can easily look at Scoot and see he has long arms and big hands. i can look at GG Jackson and automatically tell he's a legit 6-9 that can scale as a combo forward in the NBA when it comes to size. for Whitmore I can see he has narrow shoulders and a mediocre wing-span which means a terrible reach. there is an off chance for him it's deceptive and he's actually longer than he looks, but this isn't really rocket science.
and his w/s was already measured in HS and it was barely 6-8, which is again fine for a 2 or even a 3, but it's terrible for a 4.
