2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Based on comments from last night Heat for sure want the 4-6 seed, they don’t have a chance at 4 now, 5 is steep. 6 is doable. We need a big win streak

-3ammy

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’d be perfectly fine cutting ties with every undrafted player on the roster this season

[AirP.]

I’d be perfectly fine cutting ties with every undrafted player on the roster this season

After the FO gave the non-drafted players contracts, that excuse of them being non-drafted players goes out the window, the FO thought they were good enough to be NBA players and handed them multi-year deals and one of them got nearly 90 million and he's out of the rotation. I would hope if Spoelstra really pushed to keep Robinson he would have done everything he could to get the most out of Robinson, instead he actually reduced his DHOs which he feasted off of and utilized him different then before the contract.

Don't complain about minimum paid guys, there's a reason why they're at or close to the minimum, complain about the roster construction.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’d be perfectly fine cutting ties with every undrafted player on the roster this season

After the FO gave the non-drafted players contracts, that excuse of them being non-drafted players goes out the window, the FO thought they were good enough to be NBA players and handed them multi-year deals and one of them got nearly 90 million and he's out of the rotation. I would hope if Spoelstra really pushed to keep Robinson he would have done everything he could to get the most out of Robinson, instead he actually reduced his DHOs which he feasted off of and utilized him different then before the contract.

Don't complain about minimum paid guys, there's a reason why they're at or close to the minimum, complain about the roster construction.

Oh trust me, I’m not giving the FO a pass. I’ve been one of the main ones against their decision making since getting Jimmy

[gom]

Get in here please!

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2273056

[3ballbomber]

you can only get so far with grit, toughness, culture.... sooner or later, you have to find some real talent... like a (ja morant, luka, lilliard, curry, tatum ect.... obviously you want to find players who arent gettin into off court troubles like of recent but you get the picture... butler is also aging every year and losing a step.... hes gettin old and our FO has not gotten him the help needed to go to the next level. its all down hill from here....

Totally disagree. In spite of not having that whale or needed prolific scorer & even a proper center we reached the NBA finals & ECF - a shot away frm another NBA Finals. You take away those qualities/principals & we'd be like majority of unsuccessful teams. We cld add a player like Mitchell or KD now & that wouldn't guarantee us a 'ship. Those attributes is what makes us tough competitors & why players, teams & coaches anticipate hard fought battle against us, especially in the PO's. Then once we add that talent it'll make us legit contenders w/ a significant shot at taking it all.

[gom]

im hoping they miss playoffs... do we have a pick?

I don't know.

That's a good question.

-SHULA

so i did some research, we have a top 14 lottery pick only.... so if its in the lottery will have a pick, if not we dont have nothing. so not making playoffs is to our benefit.

Nope.



https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

Our first round pick is unconditional this season.

2023 - Own

2024 - Own

2025 - 1-14 Own; 15-30 to OKC (via LAC)

2026 - To OKC (via LAC) if not already settled

2027 - Own

2028 - Own

2029 - Own

[Daffy]

I think this off season we'll see them revamp this team.

[IceColdCubano]

I think this off season we'll see them revamp this team.

So as a fan its what we all hope, what if scenario here "They go for it one more time with this core" However they cannot offload Duncan and decide to keep Herro, Lowry is the only only traded for some vet PG or filler, we resign Vincent and let Struss hit open market. How satisfied would everyone here be. Meaning were team running it back once more, for the final time this time we promise.

[3ballbomber]

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[MorbidHEAT]

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That is a nice trend to have as we head towards the playoffs.

[Kobewade11]

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I knew something was up with Bam when I heard he listens to Katy Perry pre-game smh

[AirP.]

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Butler is also tied at 6th for calculated ORTG-DRTG since 1998.

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+---------------------+----+---+-----+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Player               |year|age|ts%  |pts |ast |reb |stl|blk|to |ortg|drtg|Net Rating|
+---------------------+----+---+-----+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----------+
|Nikola Jokić         |2023|27 |0.7  |24.3|10  |11.8|1.2|0.7|3.6|135 |110 |25        |
|Kawhi Leonard        |2016|24 |0.616|21.2|2.6 |6.8 |1.8|1  |1.5|121 |96  |25        |
|LeBron James         |2013|28 |0.64 |26.8|7.3 |8   |1.7|0.9|3  |125 |101 |24        |
|Kevin Durant         |2017|28 |0.651|25.1|4.8 |8.3 |1.1|1.6|2.2|125 |101 |24        |
|LeBron James         |2009|24 |0.591|28.4|7.2 |7.6 |1.7|1.1|3  |122 |99  |23        |
|Jimmy Butler         |2023|33 |0.631|22.1|5.2 |6.1 |1.9|0.3|1.7|132 |110 |22        |
|Stephen Curry        |2016|27 |0.669|30.1|6.7 |5.4 |2.1|0.2|3.3|125 |103 |22        |
|Giannis Antetokounmpo|2019|24 |0.644|27.7|5.9 |12.5|1.3|1.5|3.7|121 |99  |22        |
|Kevin Durant         |2013|24 |0.647|28.1|4.6 |7.9 |1.4|1.3|3.5|122 |100 |22        |
|Anthony Davis        |2015|21 |0.591|24.4|2.2 |10.2|1.5|2.9|1.4|122 |100 |22        |
|Chris Paul           |2008|22 |0.576|21.1|11.6|4   |2.7|0.1|2.5|125 |103 |22        |
|Dirk Nowitzki        |2007|28 |0.605|24.6|3.4 |8.9 |0.7|0.8|2.1|123 |102 |21        |
|Chris Paul           |2009|23 |0.599|22.8|11  |5.5 |2.8|0.1|3  |124 |103 |21        |
|Nikola Jokić         |2022|26 |0.661|27.1|7.9 |13.8|1.5|0.9|3.8|126 |105 |21        |
|Nikola Jokić         |2021|25 |0.647|26.4|8.3 |10.8|1.3|0.7|3.1|130 |109 |21        |
|Stephen Curry        |2015|26 |0.638|23.8|7.7 |4.3 |2  |0.2|3.1|122 |101 |21        |
|LeBron James         |2012|27 |0.605|27.1|6.2 |7.9 |1.9|0.8|3.4|118 |97  |21        |
|Dirk Nowitzki        |2006|27 |0.589|26.6|2.8 |9   |0.7|1  |1.9|123 |103 |20        |
|David Robinson       |1998|32 |0.581|21.6|2.7 |10.6|0.9|2.6|2.8|114 |94  |20        |
|Kevin Garnett        |2004|27 |0.547|24.2|5   |13.9|1.5|2.2|2.6|112 |92  |20        |
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[twix2500]

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They been soley building around Butler. They decided to look for a 3rd star to build around and this yr was dedicated to allowing Bam to transition into a star. They are no longer building around Butler. That is why they are all of a sudden hesitant to trade draft picks. They decided not to change course. That is why I called it a transition yr, not a title building yr. Riley has a history of using 3 yr intervals and then starting over. At Butler age they likely looking at Butler becoming a complimentary star.

[AirP.]

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They been soley building around Butler. They decided to look for a 3rd star to build around and this yr was dedicated to allowing Bam to transition into a star. They are no longer building around Butler. That is why they are all of a sudden hesitant to trade draft picks. They decided not to change course. That is why I called it a transition yr, not a title building yr. Riley has a history of using 3 yr intervals and then starting over. At Butlee age they likely looking at Butler becoming a complimentary star.

Outside of mostly rentals to cut salary (vets on expiring deals), only Lowry has been brought in and that's only because their stupid 2021 plan didn't work.

Please... list these players this FO has brought in to try to win a championship with Butler.
Let me help with this list... Lowry (past his prime), Crowder, PJ Tucker, Ariza, Love (bought out, past his prime), Harkless, Leonard...

Also, how much of a failure by the FO would it be if those are the same level of players were bought in to try to win a championship with Bam during most of his prime years?

[Kobewade11]

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That reply is interesting.

[twix2500]

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They been soley building around Butler. They decided to look for a 3rd star to build around and this yr was dedicated to allowing Bam to transition into a star. They are no longer building around Butler. That is why they are all of a sudden hesitant to trade draft picks. They decided not to change course. That is why I called it a transition yr, not a title building yr. Riley has a history of using 3 yr intervals and then starting over. At Butlee age they likely looking at Butler becoming a complimentary star.

Outside of rentals to cut salary, only Lowry has been brought in and that's only because their stupid 2021 plan didn't work.

Please... list these players this FO has brought in to try to win a championship with Butler.
Let me help with this list... Lowry (past his prime), Crowder, PJ Tucker, Ariza, Love (bought out, past his prime), Harkless, Leonard.

Also, how pissed you'd be if those are the same level of players they bring in to try to win a championship with Bam.

Crowder, Tucker, Iggy and Lowry were all championships pedigree complimentary players along with all the shooters the Heat surrounded Butler that complemented Butler. This resulted in a finals appearance, the number one seed in the east last season. Did it win a title, no. But how the Heat built around Butler sure made them contenders.

Like I was saying Pat has a history of using a 3 yr window building around a player then starting over.. They did it with Wade twice once after Shaq and once after Lebron. They stopped spending heavy on complimentary player to Wade and committed to adding another star.

[AirP.]

They been soley building around Butler. They decided to look for a 3rd star to build around and this yr was dedicated to allowing Bam to transition into a star. They are no longer building around Butler. That is why they are all of a sudden hesitant to trade draft picks. They decided not to change course. That is why I called it a transition yr, not a title building yr. Riley has a history of using 3 yr intervals and then starting over. At Butlee age they likely looking at Butler becoming a complimentary star.

Outside of rentals to cut salary, only Lowry has been brought in and that's only because their stupid 2021 plan didn't work.

Please... list these players this FO has brought in to try to win a championship with Butler.
Let me help with this list... Lowry (past his prime), Crowder, PJ Tucker, Ariza, Love (bought out, past his prime), Harkless, Leonard.

Also, how pissed you'd be if those are the same level of players they bring in to try to win a championship with Bam.

Crowder, Tucker, Iggy and Lowry were all championships pedigree complimentary players along with all the shooters the Heat surrounded Butler that complemented Butler. This resulted in a finals appearance, the number one seed in the east last season. Did it win a title, no. But how the Heat built around Butler sure made them contenders.

Like I was saying Pat has a history of using a 3 yr window building around a player then starting over.. They did it with Wade twice once after Shaq and once after Lebron. They stopped spending heavy on complimentary player to Wade and committed to adding another star.

I understand the 3 year window, but Butler's actually having his best overall season for both sides of the ball, I HIGHLY doubt he'd drop off enough for the next 3 years left on his contract that Miami gave him.

To me, the best move forward is to build around Butler and Bam and do what they should have done in the first place when they got Butler, fill the roster with 2-way players with a couple of 3pt specialists.

I did forget Oladipo who Miami got cheap (like Butler). They've also used 2 1st round picks with Butler here that have really not resulted in much help (which is why I'd move picks for real help, especially for a team that won't tank).

[twix2500]

AirP you have to understand. The Heat didn't have a good hand of trade chips because the Heat went all in to build around Bosh and traded for Dragic. They had to create trade chips from within and take chances on rehabbing players and hope they can become trade chips. They failed to get Paul, Westbrook and Harden to be a third star. That's where they failed at, finding that other star. Role players the Heat done an incredible job surrounding Butler.

[twix2500]

Outside of rentals to cut salary, only Lowry has been brought in and that's only because their stupid 2021 plan didn't work.

Please... list these players this FO has brought in to try to win a championship with Butler.
Let me help with this list... Lowry (past his prime), Crowder, PJ Tucker, Ariza, Love (bought out, past his prime), Harkless, Leonard.

Also, how pissed you'd be if those are the same level of players they bring in to try to win a championship with Bam.

Crowder, Tucker, Iggy and Lowry were all championships pedigree complimentary players along with all the shooters the Heat surrounded Butler that complemented Butler. This resulted in a finals appearance, the number one seed in the east last season. Did it win a title, no. But how the Heat built around Butler sure made them contenders.

Like I was saying Pat has a history of using a 3 yr window building around a player then starting over.. They did it with Wade twice once after Shaq and once after Lebron. They stopped spending heavy on complimentary player to Wade and committed to adding another star.

I understand the 3 year window, but Butler's actually having his best overall season for both sides of the ball, I HIGHLY doubt he'd drop off enough for the next 3 years left on his contract that Miami gave him.

To me, the best move forward is to build around Butler and Bam and do what they should have done in the first place when they got Butler, fill the roster with 2-way players with a couple of 3pt specialists.

I did forget Oladipo who Miami got cheap (like Butler). They've also used 2 1st round picks with Butler here that have really not resulted in much help (which is why I'd move picks for real help, especially for a team that won't tank).

A lot of things failed in the Heat this season. Heat brought this team back to be traded chips. And only Martin has lived up to that hopes. Yurt, Jovic, Duncan, Strus, Vincent, Lowry, Dedmon all underachieved to being valuable trade chips plus the unexpected usages of draft picks in trades kept Heat out if the trade market.