NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 3)

[AleksandarN]

Another missed game for Giannis. He's out of this race. Congrats to Jokic.

Agreed as a Bucks fan I don’t think Giannis can win it with this many missed games. He may never win another one as rest seems to be the higher priority during the regular season than going for the 1 seed or the MVP. It’s the main reason I don’t go to many bucks games it’s impossible to know for sure if he’s going to be in the lineup.


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I don’t think Giannis nor Jokic care about mvp at this point. Might be Embiid chance to win because he wants it so much.

[Wolfgang630]

Giannis is out again I saw. That’s it he’s no longer in MVP contention. He’s missed too many games.

It’s only Jokic and Embiid (third year in a row).

[iggymcfrack]

Murray had 2 50 point games and a 40 point game in that series. Without those they would not be making the WCF. Who is the one operating in bad faith? Murray was the better player in that series, and that can't be denied.

Jokic had a 19.9 game score for the series and had a plus/minus of +23. Murray had a 16.9 game score and a plus/minus of +7. I don’t see how it’s undeniable Murray had a better series. I mean he balled out and I love him for it, but Jokic was still more valuable.

Lol game scores don't really matter in this situation. Without those 3 performances, the Nuggets aren't winning, plain and simple.

But the Nuggets won by 15. Murray could have had an average game and they still would have won. If you only want to count the highest leverage performances you should give Jokic a lot more credit in Round 1.

Game 7 against Utah
(80-78 Denver win)

Nikola Jokic: 30/14/4 on .606 TS% (13.0 BPM)
Jamal Murray: 17/2/4 on .388 TS% (-3.3 BPM)

That's the game where Jokic hit the game winner with 0:27 left.

[iggymcfrack]

Giannis is out again I saw. That’s it he’s no longer in MVP contention. He’s missed too many games.

It’s only Jokic and Embiid (third year in a row).

I agree that this stretch of missing games kills Giannis' argument, but barring a lengthy Jokic injury down the stretch, I don't think Embiid has much of a chance either. The only way I could see it happening is if the Sixers climb all the way to the best record in the league. If the Bucks keep up their current pace, that would require the 76ers to go 17-0 the rest of the season.

[DutchManDanFan]

Great discussion. They are describing the greatness of each candidate. I'm Nuggets fan but for all the people here who don't understand what makes Jokic great just listen to CJ from 25:00. It is also interesting to hear Zach Lowe process on deciding who to vote for.

For people in Giannis and Embiid's corners, keep supporting your favorite player, you are not wrong, but while we had so many stupid conversations on TV, this is smart and like a breath of fresh air

Watch on YouTube

Thanks for posting this. This conversation gives exactly my point of view. Most important: it's still a close race as I tried to argue here. But you can't miss too many games. So probably Jokic gets it and deserves it.

[HotRocks34]

Giannis is out again I saw. That’s it he’s no longer in MVP contention. He’s missed too many games.

It’s only Jokic and Embiid (third year in a row).

Games missed after tonight:


Jokic.......08
Embiid.....13
Giannis....14

[RB34]

Embiid and Harden are number 2 & 4 in BBall References MVP tracker.

I thought we used to exclude players with MVP candidate teammates?

[GeorgeSears]

The Bucks just won again without Giannis against a playoff team. The Bucks are 9-5 without Giannis this season, but it's more like 11-5 because he played like 6 minutes in two games and the Bucks ended up winning.

On top of that, he's now missed more games than Embiid and Jokic.

[Packbuckman]

The Bucks just won again without Giannis against a playoff team. The Bucks are 9-5 without Giannis this season, but it's more like 11-5 because he played like 6 minutes in two games and the Bucks ended up winning.

On top of that, he's now missed more games than Embiid and Jokic.

This bucks team is the best I have seen since Giannis got here. Deepest by far now and last odds I seen had us 3rd behind Celtics and Suns lmfao **** mvp keep Giannis healthy and well rested!!

[HotRocks34]

This bucks team is the best I have seen since Giannis got here. Deepest by far now and last odds I seen had us 3rd behind Celtics and Suns lmfao **** mvp keep Giannis healthy and well rested!!

Yep. Very good and very deep.

I'm sure Giannis would trade MVP for another Ring/FMVP.

Team is locked in. I think only healthy Boston, maybe healthy Suns, have any chance to stop Healthy Bucks.

[Wolfgang630]

The western conference is a complete mess. Injuries all over the place. Teams jumping up 2-3 or down 2-3 seeds each day. I don’t see any team there beating the Bucks.

[HotRocks34]

In that Zach Lowe/CJ McCollum podcast that was posted here, Lowe said he felt like the cutoff for number of games played is like 68 games. That means a guy could miss 14 games and win MVP.

Giannis is at 14 games missed, Embiid 13. So for Lowe, at least, they're close to the cutoff.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The Bucks just won again without Giannis against a playoff team. The Bucks are 9-5 without Giannis this season, but it's more like 11-5 because he played like 6 minutes in two games and the Bucks ended up winning.

On top of that, he's now missed more games than Embiid and Jokic.

Please team me more about this game?

You are either are posting without looking or purposefully being misleading. The playoff team is the same Nets that traded away their two best players.....

Then they sat out a few starters.....

Then those new starters only played one quarter.....

...and it was still a tie game with a minute left.

Like I think the bucks are damn good but you are throwing useless stats out there. Go back and look at the bucks wins without Giannis. A lot of spurs, thunder and tanking nets in those 9 wins.

I'm not mad you don't think Giannis deserves a MVP and agree with you, but this posting seems purposely misleading

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

In that Zach Lowe/CJ McCollum podcast that was posted here, Lowe said he felt like the cutoff for number of games played is like 68 games. That means a guy could miss 14 games and win MVP.

Giannis is at 14 games missed, Embiid 13. So for Lowe, at least, they're close to the cutoff.

I'm sure he made that with the assumption there was a worthy candidate that was more than a two game difference. Like yeah if Jokic played 77 games and it was close otherwise, you wouldn't consider Giannis. If Jokic sits out a week once they clinch, I don't think Lower is going to stick to his cutoff for just 2 games (Jokic would obviously win either way. Just saying the cutoff is relative)

[PennSports]

Embiid and Harden are number 2 & 4 in BBall References MVP tracker.

I thought we used to exclude players with MVP candidate teammates?

you are kidding yourself if you think Harden (not an all star btw) will get a single 5th place mvp vote

One ranking is enough to just disqualify embiid i guess when no one will give him 1 point in the actually voting.

[Kobe187]

The West Standings are insane.

[AleksandarN]

The Bucks just won again without Giannis against a playoff team. The Bucks are 9-5 without Giannis this season, but it's more like 11-5 because he played like 6 minutes in two games and the Bucks ended up winning.

On top of that, he's now missed more games than Embiid and Jokic.

That team is good. Very good. I think the favourites. I would love a nuggets Bucks final. That would be a great series

[BelgradeNugget]

In that Zach Lowe/CJ McCollum podcast that was posted here, Lowe said he felt like the cutoff for number of games played is like 68 games. That means a guy could miss 14 games and win MVP.

Giannis is at 14 games missed, Embiid 13. So for Lowe, at least, they're close to the cutoff.

I'm sure he made that with the assumption there was a worthy candidate that was more than a two game difference. Like yeah if Jokic played 77 games and it was close otherwise, you wouldn't consider Giannis. If Jokic sits out a week once they clinch, I don't think Lower is going to stick to his cutoff for just 2 games (Jokic would obviously win either way. Just saying the cutoff is relative)

Agree 100%. I see idiots like Perkins crying on TV how criteria are changing and how he don't know what criteria for MVP are any more. The thing is criteria are the same. You compare players based on the same criteria. If one player has big advantage in one thing OK but if they are close it won't make big advantage. Same thing was last year. Jokic's team was 6 but he played in more wins than Embiid or Giannis. That is why 3rd or 4th sead didn't make big difference. If one of them was runaway 1st they would have got it.
I don't see cutoff at 14. What if Giannis comes back, Bucks make another crazy run like 15-1 and Nuggets and Jokic keep play **** like in the last to games and go on something like 6-10. Then it is between Giannis and Embiid.

[GeorgeSears]

If we're being honest, the race has whittled down to Jokic and Embiid again.

By the standards of previous years, Giannis should be out of contention. He's missed 14 games, his team hasn't fallen apart when he's not there, his numbers don't compare with Jokic or Embiid. I could go on.

Barring an injury, or a complete collapse to either Jokic and Embiid, there's no way he will or should win it.

[GeorgeSears]

The Bucks just won again without Giannis against a playoff team. The Bucks are 9-5 without Giannis this season, but it's more like 11-5 because he played like 6 minutes in two games and the Bucks ended up winning.

On top of that, he's now missed more games than Embiid and Jokic.

Please team me more about this game?

You are either are posting without looking or purposefully being misleading. The playoff team is the same Nets that traded away their two best players.....

Then they sat out a few starters.....

Then those new starters only played one quarter.....

...and it was still a tie game with a minute left.

Like I think the bucks are damn good but you are throwing useless stats out there. Go back and look at the bucks wins without Giannis. A lot of spurs, thunder and tanking nets in those 9 wins.

I'm not mad you don't think Giannis deserves a MVP and agree with you, but this posting seems purposely misleading

It's over Marty, and you know it.