Fred VanVleet Specifically Calls Out Referee Ben Taylor and NBA Reffing

[Kingdibs19]

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Lol at all the Captains coming to this shameful ref’s defence. As if 5 out of 8 is not enough proof, they come up with some kind of mental gymnastics to say FVV probably still deserved. Well now what’s next after seeing this video? More gymnastics or just silence?

Are you high? I even edited the question after posting it to clarify, because of mega brain assumptions like yours. That throwing the ball lightly against the hoop padding was bogus and shouldn't be a tech at all.

If Van Fleet has 5 techs with one ref, it's also possible that he has an issue too, and they are BOTH at fault. It could be just the ref, but if Van Fleet doesn't like this ref or the way he officiates, then there's way more fuel for fire.

More mental gymnastics it is.

[payton2kemp]

The Raptors win the possession battle most games. They attack the paint more than they shoot threes. They should be a top FTA team in the league. It is just logical.

But you have refs taking calls from league officials letting them know how much "physicality" they're allowing that game. Is that a part of the sport called basketball.

The Raptors have no business complaining about the officiating. They're athletic, but not skilled which is why it's easy to frustrate them inside playing perfectly legal defense. A lot of their guys still drop their shoulders into defenders and expect to get the call despite initiating the contact. The thing is, they're not even good at ref baiting, it's entirely too obvious that they're looking for the call and not the conversion.

Defensively, they reach all the time. No other team gambles that much. The idea that they're going to get away with that for 82 games, 48 minutes a game, home or away is delusional. It's one thing to play a certain way and then adjust to how a game is being called. It's something quite different to expect that you should be allowed to foul on a consistent basis.

this is a horrendous take by you

No its not. You're biased as a Raps fan. I am a fan of no specific team, I was a Sonics fan. Raptors aren't called any differently than any other team.

[floppymoose]

Did anyone see the tech on Poole in the OKC game? I haven't seen the FVV tech, but the Poole tech was the weakest I've seen since the "Duncan laugh".

That one was fair, Poole trying to be a sneaky little **** thinking it’s not obvious what he’s trying to do.

Wait, wut? What was he trying to do?

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Lol at all the Captains coming to this shameful ref’s defence. As if 5 out of 8 is not enough proof, they come up with some kind of mental gymnastics to say FVV probably still deserved. Well now what’s next after seeing this video? More gymnastics or just silence?

Are you high? I even edited the question after posting it to clarify, because of mega brain assumptions like yours. That throwing the ball lightly against the hoop padding was bogus and shouldn't be a tech at all.

If Van Fleet has 5 techs with one ref, it's also possible that he has an issue too, and they are BOTH at fault. It could be just the ref, but if Van Fleet doesn't like this ref or the way he officiates, then there's way more fuel for fire.

Look at the video posted. That was 6 minutes into a game where FVV had one layup attempt (which he made easily without much contest or contact) and no turnovers/fouls. Under no circumstance does that warrant a tech, especially so early in the game with absolutely no tension between players and officials. Less than 2 weeks later, FVV was handed another tech from Taylor after a minor argument that happens numerous times every game about an out of bounds call. Flash forward a few months to last night, FVV gets another tech from Taylor after he was encouraging his teammate's defensive effort following a good foul.

Three techs from Taylor (and 2 others while he was officiating) in 6 games is extremely suspect, especially considering FVV is a guy that gets ~5 techs in an entire season for his career.

[iBall101]

Raptors are one of the teams that officials love to bully.
Its been an ongoing thing from inception.

Fred is speaking truth.

[tdot_steel]

The Raptors have no business complaining about the officiating. They're athletic, but not skilled which is why it's easy to frustrate them inside playing perfectly legal defense. A lot of their guys still drop their shoulders into defenders and expect to get the call despite initiating the contact. The thing is, they're not even good at ref baiting, it's entirely too obvious that they're looking for the call and not the conversion.

Defensively, they reach all the time. No other team gambles that much. The idea that they're going to get away with that for 82 games, 48 minutes a game, home or away is delusional. It's one thing to play a certain way and then adjust to how a game is being called. It's something quite different to expect that you should be allowed to foul on a consistent basis.

this is a horrendous take by you

No its not. You're biased as a Raps fan. I am a fan of no specific team, I was a Sonics fan. Raptors aren't called any differently than any other team.

I have watched basketball for over 40 yrs and you are not only delusional but also have your head in the sand if you don't think the Raps are reffed differently than other teams.

But listen to Phil Handy now a Lakers coach and Danny Green who has played for several teams.

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[Rockazoids]

someone sounds like an upset knicks fan

No I'm good I can always just look at were NY is in the standing at 11 games over 500.
Randle could had just bitched about the BS that Smart was got away with in the NYK BOS game. Smart was all in Randle space
so he couldn't make a move without bumping in to Smart. What did Randle do... took care of it on the court.

congrats dude for the first time in 12 years your team is slightly ahead of the raptors in the standing. huge achievement

Did 2020-21 not happen?

[Texas Chuck]

I have watched basketball for over 40 yrs and you are not only delusional but also have your head in the sand if you don't think the Raps are reffed differently than other teams.

I'm having a bit of a rough day and could use a good laugh. Please explain to us in detail the motivation behind the refs coming together to ref the Raptors differently. Is it anti-Canadian bias? Is it they feel like they wasted their money buying a ticket to Jurassic Park and this reminder every time they see the Raptors sets them off?

Did this happen to Vancouver too? Or just the team you coincidentally root for?

[Kingdibs19]

Lol at all the Captains coming to this shameful ref’s defence. As if 5 out of 8 is not enough proof, they come up with some kind of mental gymnastics to say FVV probably still deserved. Well now what’s next after seeing this video? More gymnastics or just silence?

Are you high? I even edited the question after posting it to clarify, because of mega brain assumptions like yours. That throwing the ball lightly against the hoop padding was bogus and shouldn't be a tech at all.

If Van Fleet has 5 techs with one ref, it's also possible that he has an issue too, and they are BOTH at fault. It could be just the ref, but if Van Fleet doesn't like this ref or the way he officiates, then there's way more fuel for fire.

Look at the video posted. That was 6 minutes into a game where FVV had one layup attempt (which he made easily without much contest or contact) and no turnovers/fouls. Under no circumstance does that warrant a tech, especially so early in the game with absolutely no tension between players and officials. Less than 2 weeks later, FVV was handed another tech from Taylor after a minor argument that happens numerous times every game about an out of bounds call. Flash forward a few months to last night, FVV gets another tech from Taylor after he was encouraging his teammate's defensive effort following a good foul.

Three techs from Taylor (and 2 others while he was officiating) in 6 games is extremely suspect, especially considering FVV is a guy that gets ~5 techs in an entire season for his career.

Are you high? Yes that’s 3 examples out of 5 but what about the other 2 times? They are BOTH at fault. Freddy doesn’t like the ref, not sure why, couldn’t be the tech calls he keeps getting. Your megabrain? Must be high

[tdot_steel]

I have watched basketball for over 40 yrs and you are not only delusional but also have your head in the sand if you don't think the Raps are reffed differently than other teams.

I'm having a bit of a rough day and could use a good laugh. Please explain to us in detail the motivation behind the refs coming together to ref the Raptors differently. Is it anti-Canadian bias? Is it they feel like they wasted their money buying a ticket to Jurassic Park and this reminder every time they see the Raptors sets them off?

Did this happen to Vancouver too? Or just the team you coincidentally root for?

i noticed you chose to ignore the comments of a current asst Laker coach and a 14 yr NBA veteran in the video. But go ahead and troll as you know more than them.

[HMFFL]

I actually like this. Instead of calling out the refs as a whole, call out a certain one to put the heat on. Definitely makes the complaint more real to me

Yes, and other refs probably agree with Fred.

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[Jfh20]

every week we have someone new comaplaining about refs lol... when are people going to understand that refs are always going to be human and unless commissioners start inventing robots to officiate games, there still going to be human lol and make errors... make you can fine them for errors, but to expect perfect called game every time is never going to happen....

[Thaddy]

I have watched basketball for over 40 yrs and you are not only delusional but also have your head in the sand if you don't think the Raps are reffed differently than other teams.

I'm having a bit of a rough day and could use a good laugh. Please explain to us in detail the motivation behind the refs coming together to ref the Raptors differently. Is it anti-Canadian bias? Is it they feel like they wasted their money buying a ticket to Jurassic Park and this reminder every time they see the Raptors sets them off?

Did this happen to Vancouver too? Or just the team you coincidentally root for?

Says a lot how you skipped a 2 minute video to make this post baiting Raptor fans. It would have literally answered all these baiting rhetorical questions you asked.

You can see how Draymond behaves and then compare those to the technical fouls that Fred and Barnes recently got. Nothing there right? If it is not a xenophobic reason please enlighten us on what the reason could be.

[Hoop Heavy]

I have watched basketball for over 40 yrs and you are not only delusional but also have your head in the sand if you don't think the Raps are reffed differently than other teams.

I'm having a bit of a rough day and could use a good laugh. Please explain to us in detail the motivation behind the refs coming together to ref the Raptors differently. Is it anti-Canadian bias? Is it they feel like they wasted their money buying a ticket to Jurassic Park and this reminder every time they see the Raptors sets them off?

Did this happen to Vancouver too? Or just the team you coincidentally root for?

There was a statement made by one of the Cleveland colour guys the last time the Cavs and Raps played. He suggested that, in the off season, the "rules committee (?)" was going to be asked about adapting the rules such as to specifically try to influence how Toronto plays - so yes, whether anything happens there or not, there is a real situation that exists - the man you are making fun of whether he knows why or not ... is technically correct.

... and no it has nothing to do with maple syrup ... and yes everything to do with hockey.



SO now, you asked for details, right? You see the Raps lead the league (or are "near the top") in a collection of behaviours that most people call "hustle stats". Without looking, right now that includes, steals, deflections, fast break points, offensive rebounds, second chance points, points off turnovers, turnovers created, turnovers surrendered, turnover differential ... and so of course .... the all important .... possession differential.

They play a hyper, dynamic and multifaceted style of defense which features a platoon of long-armed essentially small-ball centers who then literally physically beat the snot out of the other team for 48 minutes. Another commentator from the recent Washington game (I think), described verbally during a slow motion replay SIX separate fouls on one drive to the basket. They were visible and three different defenders got a hack in as I recall. According to some, the Raptors are fouling far beyond the refs ability to accurately respond to, without extending game-time by an hour.

Moreover, don't forget that the most common play the Raptors seem to use on offense is some violent version of iso-ball where you run toward the basket, drop your shoulder into a defender's chest, and then jump into the air ... and scream "AHHHHH" ... while trying to make a layup. Yes, they are horrific outside shooters ... luckily for the rest of the league ... or they may almost never lose. Another non-northside commentator suggested that since they got Poeltl, the whole situation now is on steroids - that "The Raptors have compensated for their horrible shooting ... by turning the three point shot into a pass, to another tall teammate, off the iron."



So, yes the Raptors very well may be singled out by the refs right now ...

but not solely for the reason of nationalism, or nepotism, or whatever you would call that ... but because they are pushing the envelope so far with their new approach. Then too, undeniably, the NBA is a narrative and star driven league ... and there have been lots of examples (when was that Portland/Laker debacle - 2002 ?) of the NBA favoring big market, "face of the league" teams presumably for better ratings. Add in that Scottie Barnes (who is being almost universally defended in the media today) shows lots of emotion when riled, and yet stayed resigned and calm ... and that Scott Foster used to call Donaghy at halftime back in the day ... and that the spread might still have been salvaged and ...

.... there's tranches of substance to unpack here.


... It is not just about a simple foolish thing like an imaginary line drawn on the ground. How's that for a good laugh?

[KHRICH]

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[beeshma]

he might have 5 of 8 techs, but is it Ben Taylor targeting Van Fleet or is it Van Fleet getting triggered by Taylor and getting snappy/yappy with Taylor?

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I don't see other players throwing the ball off the stanchion from so far away. Seems sort of dangerous tbh. And at the very least it would make the crowd behind the stanchion feel a moment of worry for their safety.

[Laimbeer]

Raps are 12th in FTA and 14th in techs.

[sjballer03]

What I learned from this thread is that some refs have burner accounts on here and some posters are ref only fans

[DTP]

Completely unacceptable IMO. First, it's totally unfair because the official will never have the platform to respond. Officials can't come back with "Damn FVV was awful tonight". Officials get calls wrong absolutely but they're pretty damn good at their jobs. Any of you thinking you know the rulebook better than even the worst official is just delusional.

Secondly, these players and coaches bitch and whine on every single play of the game. An officially finally saying that's enough and giving out a T is fine. There should be more Ts if we're being honest. 9 times out of 10 we at home have no idea if a T was warranted or not, we can't hear the conversation. No one knows what FVV said so none of our opinions of the T is really relevant at all. But if Fred is willing to say that **** in front of a camera, can you imagine what he said during the game?

Lastly, a T in the 3rd quarter doesn't change the game.

[nikster]

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