Fred VanVleet Specifically Calls Out Referee Ben Taylor and NBA Reffing

[floppymoose]

Did anyone see the tech on Poole in the OKC game? I haven't seen the FVV tech, but the Poole tech was the weakest I've seen since the "Duncan laugh".

That one was fair, Poole trying to be a sneaky little **** thinking it’s not obvious what he’s trying to do.

The nba rescinded the Poole tech, so they are not in agreement with you.

[sjballer03]

I’m a Dubs fan and no it shouldn’t. It’s disrespectful. We all know it was meant that way. Like here’s the ball. He can choose to do anything else with it besides throw it to the ref. Everyone knows that means i’m frustrated with you when the ball is thrown back to the ref. It’s just more passive aggressive than Draymond yelling at 100 decibels.

You are the hero the refs didn't know they deserved.

[DTP]

Not anything any time, but when refs are out of line they should be called out. Nobody should be above criticism, and that's what refs are in the NBA. Tell the truth and you get a fine.

Jordan Poole passes the ball back to the ref and gets an absurd T -- but he can't even answer a question about it or risk a fine. That's stupid.

Officials make bad calls, just like players make bad decisions and coaches too. It doesn't give you the right to berate them. There's not an official in this league that doesn't converse with coaches and players throughout the game. Sometimes it's too much...and the league has allowed it to get to this point where it is too much, way too often.

In regard to Poole, it's pretty obvious when someone is being an ass or not. I wasn't watching the game, I wasn't sitting courtside...so I don't actually know, but I give the benefit of the doubt to officials there. I'm pretty sure every technical foul is reviewed by the league....they could easily rescind it but they have not.

I'm not saying berate, you should be able to criticize without a fine. If you say anything negative/disagreeing with the call you get a fine. Players shouldn't have to be bootlickers.

Poole's tech should have been rescinded, go watch it on youtube.

From a business standpoint, you don't want coaches and players talking about calls every night distracting from the actual "basketball" and talent of the league, so I get it.

I do wish we could get like an official report card after every game, like you somewhat get with MLB umpires. Fans complain about the Umps but then their report card shows afterwards they have like a 97-99% correct rate.

[dockingsched]

Did anyone see the tech on Poole in the OKC game? I haven't seen the FVV tech, but the Poole tech was the weakest I've seen since the "Duncan laugh".

That one was fair, Poole trying to be a sneaky little **** thinking it’s not obvious what he’s trying to do.

The nba rescinded the Poole tech, so they are not in agreement with you.

? I don’t need the nba to validate my opinion that Poole was trying to be a sneaky little ****, whether it was tech worthy or not. Clear what he was trying to do.

[sjballer03]

That one was fair, Poole trying to be a sneaky little **** thinking it’s not obvious what he’s trying to do.

The nba rescinded the Poole tech, so they are not in agreement with you.

? I don’t need the nba to validate my opinion that Poole was trying to be a sneaky little ****, whether it was tech worthy or not. Clear what he was trying to do.

You just validated the original tech and then you're saying you don't need the NBA to validate your opinion when they reversed the call..

[floppymoose]

Also i have no idea what he's talking about. Neither i nor the nba know what the “sneaky thing” is.

[DonaldSanders]

Did anyone see the tech on Poole in the OKC game? I haven't seen the FVV tech, but the Poole tech was the weakest I've seen since the "Duncan laugh".

That one was fair, Poole trying to be a sneaky little **** thinking it’s not obvious what he’s trying to do.

The nba rescinded the Poole tech, so they are not in agreement with you.

Oh wow, some actual justice.

[BeatDaCavs420]

That one was fair, Poole trying to be a sneaky little **** thinking it’s not obvious what he’s trying to do.

The nba rescinded the Poole tech, so they are not in agreement with you.

? I don’t need the nba to validate my opinion that Poole was trying to be a sneaky little ****, whether it was tech worthy or not. Clear what he was trying to do.

Bro what?

[DonaldSanders]

That one was fair, Poole trying to be a sneaky little **** thinking it’s not obvious what he’s trying to do.

The nba rescinded the Poole tech, so they are not in agreement with you.

Oh wow, some actual justice.

From a business standpoint, you don't want coaches and players talking about calls every night distracting from the actual "basketball" and talent of the league, so I get it.

I do wish we could get like an official report card after every game, like you somewhat get with MLB umpires. Fans complain about the Umps but then their report card shows afterwards they have like a 97-99% correct rate.

If it's disrespectful, I think a fine should be warranted. But if you're just stating that you disagreed with calls respectfully, I don't see a problem. Fred would be over the line but this is because he wasn't able to talk about it for many games and boiled over. I guess we'll likely just agree to disagree.

I think they should not tolerate complaining during the game, but allow some discussion of calls post game. As it is the player's only outlet is to complain during the game and try to avoid a tech. If guys knew they could have a respectful discussion of calls after the game I think it might actually be better for the product.

[mattg]

Said it before and I'll say it again. The solution to ref stuff is to outright ban players from approaching and speaking to officials in game (other than calling timeout). You talk to the ref it's a tech. Immediately removes the complaining players issue and grey area Ts, where some players get all the leeway to go crazy while other guys get insta-teched. Then, make it the coach's job to argue calls and ask for clarifications.

It works wonderfully at every other level of basketball with far lower quality of referees than the NBA has.

[Lalouie]

whether right or wrong

this sounds like a dangerous trend

[Adelheid]

Said it before and I'll say it again. The solution to ref stuff is to outright ban players from approaching and speaking to officials in game (other than calling timeout). You talk to the ref it's a tech. Immediately removes the complaining players issue and grey area Ts, where some players get all the leeway to go crazy while other guys get insta-teched. Then, make it the coach's job to argue calls and ask for clarifications.

It works wonderfully at every other level of basketball with far lower quality of referees than the NBA has.

yeah allow saner heads to talk it over...nothing good will come out of heated approaches and both sides just become agitated

[baldur]

not because I want him to be fined, just curious he hasn't still be fined. maybe today?

[Tacoma]

Completely unacceptable IMO. First, it's totally unfair because the official will never have the platform to respond. Officials can't come back with "Damn FVV was awful tonight". Officials get calls wrong absolutely but they're pretty damn good at their jobs. Any of you thinking you know the rulebook better than even the worst official is just delusional.

Secondly, these players and coaches bitch and whine on every single play of the game. An officially finally saying that's enough and giving out a T is fine. There should be more Ts if we're being honest. 9 times out of 10 we at home have no idea if a T was warranted or not, we can't hear the conversation. No one knows what FVV said so none of our opinions of the T is really relevant at all. But if Fred is willing to say that **** in front of a camera, can you imagine what he said during the game?

Lastly, a T in the 3rd quarter doesn't change the game.

Who cares what he says to the refs, respectfully. As long as it’s not some psycho **** they absolutely should be allowed to criticize and curse at the refs, within reason. The refs make the games all about themselves and their ego gets in the way.

Why should the refs have to care about defending themselves anyways? These dudes are the definition of a commodity. Anyone can train and be a ref. Nothing special about these bums

So you think players should be able to say anything they want to officials (other humans) because they didn't get their way? lol that's not how any business works. And you're not serious if you think anyone can be an NBA referee.

But yet, NBA players want fans ejected for the things they say.....

Your claim that others are arguing "players should be able to say anything they want" is a straw man because people aren't saying that. They are saying players should be allowed to express opinions on refs if they are believe they are being targeted unfairly. In FVV's case, of the 8 technical fouls called against him this year, 5 have been called by one ref.

In this case, FVV said to a teammate (not the ref) after a questionable call against that teammate, to "play through this sh**" to which he was issued a technical. I think he has a right to question that call.

As for your claim that the refs "will never have the platform to respond" - they do - they can unfairly call fouls against players they target and basically take the player out of the game. That's an enormous platform and players have the right to express concern.

[ejftw]

Bum talking crap about another bum, fun to watch.