Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

Eatgreenz · Post #101 » by **Eatgreenz** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:23 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Beginning to legitimately believe we have a strong chance at Ja Morant this summer.

What makes you say that. Any rumors you heard?

Keith Van Horn · Post #102 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:48 am

Marvin Martian wrote:
Keith Van Horn wrote:
NetsWorld wrote:
Someone was bound to read to into this. Never say never.

agreed - never say never.

Dudes who are rivals end up becoming teammates all the time. Owners have big egos and want to win. You think that's the worst thing Tsai's ever been called too? Guy didn't get to where he was without having thick skin. I'm sure he wouldn't let something like that bother him.

We have nothing to offer to JB. I think people have let the Ky-KD era get to their heads. This is not a hot FA destination. All those stars that we acquired, came here to play with KD and Ky, not play for Brooklyn. If we want a star, we need to trade for one, or make smart FA signings like the Knicks.

Oh yeah I'm saying trade. Like Cam, Joe, 2-3 picks. See if that gets them interested.

vincecarter4pres · Post #103 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:57 am

Eatgreenz wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Beginning to legitimately believe we have a strong chance at Ja Morant this summer.

What makes you say that. Any rumors you heard?

Nothing I’ve heard, but if he legit gets a 20-50 game suspension and there are deeper issues, Memphis may but bait.

Simmons, Cam T, every draft pick not tied down is a serious offer imho.

Eatgreenz · Post #104 » by **Eatgreenz** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 4:11 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Eatgreenz wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Beginning to legitimately believe we have a strong chance at Ja Morant this summer.

What makes you say that. Any rumors you heard?

Nothing I’ve heard, but if he legit gets a 20-50 game suspension and there are deeper issues, Memphis may but bait.

Simmons, Cam T, every draft pick not tied down is a serious offer imho.

O I see, this offseason will be interesting.

NetsWorld · Post #105 » by **NetsWorld** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 12:15 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
Keith Van Horn wrote:agreed - never say never.

Dudes who are rivals end up becoming teammates all the time. Owners have big egos and want to win. You think that's the worst thing Tsai's ever been called too? Guy didn't get to where he was without having thick skin. I'm sure he wouldn't let something like that bother him.

We have nothing to offer to JB. I think people have let the Ky-KD era get to their heads. This is not a hot FA destination. All those stars that we acquired, came here to play with KD and Ky, not play for Brooklyn. If we want a star, we need to trade for one, or make smart FA signings like the Knicks.

Oh yeah I'm saying trade. Like Cam, Joe, 2-3 picks. See if that gets them interested.

3 picks of overboard. Two firsts is enough. We have to keep some assets to get another player as well. Nets should aim for one superstar and one very good player. The game against Milwaukee will test and see if this group needs a lot more work to do.

Keith Van Horn · Post #106 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 3:22 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Eatgreenz wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Beginning to legitimately believe we have a strong chance at Ja Morant this summer.

What makes you say that. Any rumors you heard?

Nothing I’ve heard, but if he legit gets a 20-50 game suspension and there are deeper issues, Memphis may but bait.

Simmons, Cam T, every draft pick not tied down is a serious offer imho.

After listening to Lowe's recent show and him citing recent examples of similar incidents from other players, I can't see more than 10?

I don't think the Grizz are going to entertain trading him, even in light of all of these incidents. They were the ones willing to shell out like 4 or 5 1sts for Bridges. I think they're going to have a come to Jesus conversation with Ja, he'll "get it" and they go hunting this summer for Siakam or another sexy veteran wing.

DeRoma · Post #107 » by **DeRoma** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 7:54 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Eatgreenz wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Beginning to legitimately believe we have a strong chance at Ja Morant this summer.

What makes you say that. Any rumors you heard?

Nothing I’ve heard, but if he legit gets a 20-50 game suspension and there are deeper issues, Memphis may but bait.

Simmons, Cam T, every draft pick not tied down is a serious offer imho.

There's no way Marks will go after Ja even if he is available with the way kyrie's situation ended.

I think this time around we either make hail mary moves to project players and/or we go after young hungry players that are looking for a bigger role on a team.

3pt_chucker · Post #108 » by **3pt_chucker** » Wed Mar 8, 2023 9:35 pm

Memphis has waited forever to get a player of Ja's caliber and they have zero chance of getting a player like him in FA. There is no way they are trading him anytime soon even if he gets suspended for a whole season.

Prior to all this gun stuff, he was actually really good for them off the court and was an ideal franchise guy. There is a reason why all these big companies were/have wanted him to be the face of their product.

vincecarter4pres · Post #109 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:48 pm

Just for **** and giggles, say we came out of this offseason with only the following on the roster and almost every future pick gone, how happy would you be on a scale of 12 wins to Kidd Finals teams?:

Fred VanVleet
Mikal Bridges
Dorian Finney-Smith
Cam Johnson
Karl Anthony-Towns

Royce O’Neale
Seth Curry
Joe Harris
Edmond Sumner
Yutu Watanabe
Varius free agents/2nd round picks

Tha King · Post #110 » by **Tha King** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:24 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Just for **** and giggles, say we came out of this offseason with only the following on the roster and almost every future pick gone, how happy would you be on a scale of 12 wins to Kidd Finals teams?:

Fred VanVleet
Mikal Bridges
Dorian Finney-Smith
Cam Johnson
Karl Anthony-Towns

Royce O’Neale
Seth Curry
Joe Harris
Edmond Sumner
Yutu Watanabe
Varius free agents/2nd round picks

that's a good team but imo not one you lose all future picks for. Don't think it would be better than the Cavs if Mobley/Garland continue to get better and not Bucks/Celtics.

Netaman · Post #111 » by **Netaman** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:35 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Just for **** and giggles, say we came out of this offseason with only the following on the roster and almost every future pick gone, how happy would you be on a scale of 12 wins to Kidd Finals teams?:

Fred VanVleet
Mikal Bridges
Dorian Finney-Smith
Cam Johnson
Karl Anthony-Towns

Royce O’Neale
Seth Curry
Joe Harris
Edmond Sumner
Yutu Watanabe
Varius free agents/2nd round picks

on that scale if every pick is gone i think i'm at joe johnson + brook lopez + deron williams pre-KG/PP trade, except without assets.

i think i'd rather keep almost all the picks + claxton and just do a FVV s&t (ideally for harris or simmons + 1-2 picks or cam t). i could be wrong but i dont think KAT is an all in / get that group over the top guy.

im not positive fvv and dinwiddie can play together but they have enough size to do it, and both have experience fitting on playoff teams with other dominant ball handlers. obviously none of them are elite (unless this version of bridges keeps improving) but this would put 3 legitimate 20 ppg guys who can create and space the floor in the starting lineup with what should be a really good defense. this is kind of like last year's dallas group except bridges instead of luka and better d/depth. and with assets still left to add.

FVV
Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam
Claxton

DFS/O'Neale/Curry/Patty and some kind of big upgrade on Sharpe off the bench.

Tha King · Post #112 » by **Tha King** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:51 pm

I'd like to see Simmons with a full offseason and a full year removed from back surgery before trading him. I think even in a bench role next year, his playmaking and rebounding added to this current group would make the team a ton better.

Tha King · Post #113 » by **Tha King** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:05 pm

Netaman wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Just for **** and giggles, say we came out of this offseason with only the following on the roster and almost every future pick gone, how happy would you be on a scale of 12 wins to Kidd Finals teams?:

Fred VanVleet
Mikal Bridges
Dorian Finney-Smith
Cam Johnson
Karl Anthony-Towns

Royce O’Neale
Seth Curry
Joe Harris
Edmond Sumner
Yutu Watanabe
Varius free agents/2nd round picks

on that scale if every pick is gone i think i'm at joe johnson + brook lopez + deron williams pre-KG/PP trade, except without assets.

i think i'd rather keep almost all the picks + claxton and just do a FVV s&t (ideally for harris or simmons + 1-2 picks or cam t). i could be wrong but i dont think KAT is an all in / get that group over the top guy.

im not positive fvv and dinwiddie can play together but they have enough size to do it, and both have experience fitting on playoff teams with other dominant ball handlers. obviously none of them are elite (unless this version of bridges keeps improving) but this would put 3 legitimate 20 ppg guys who can create and space the floor in the starting lineup with what should be a really good defense. this is kind of like last year's dallas group except bridges instead of luka and better d/depth. and with assets still left to add.

FVV
Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam
Claxton

DFS/O'Neale/Curry/Patty and some kind of big upgrade on Sharpe off the bench.

what do you think about going the Dinwiddie/DLO route and looking to add a potentially undervalued player at point guard instead while also keeping Simmons?

Depending on what the Magic do in the offseason/draft at point guard, Suggs/Fultz could be available. Davion Mitchell is another, he'd fit defensively and maybe he could do more offensively on a different team.

vincecarter4pres · Post #114 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:55 pm

I’d prefer to never see Ben Simmons play for this team again, beyond this year.

I get he probably holds little to no value, but there are teams that would view him as neutral value with upside in the right deal.

Toronto had/has some interest in him.

So does Minnesota.

You’re not getting KAT for him, but if they decided to trade KAT, they wouldn’t mind Simmons as the salary filler with a slew of picks and prospects.

Toronto might do VanVleet/OG for Simmons, Thomas and a couple picks.

Netaman · Post #115 » by **Netaman** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:54 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:I’d prefer to never see Ben Simmons play for this team again, beyond this year.

I get he probably holds little to no value, but there are teams that would view him as neutral value with upside in the right deal.

Toronto had/has some interest in him.

So does Minnesota.

You’re not getting KAT for him, but if they decided to trade KAT, they wouldn’t mind Simmons as the salary filler with a slew of picks and prospects.

Toronto might do VanVleet/OG for Simmons, Thomas and a couple picks.

i agree, i think the 3 options for FVV are:

good and simple - dinwiddie, pick for fvv
better but maybe harder for toronto to accept - harris, 2 picks for fvv
maybe best but maybe hardest? simmons

there's some argument which is the best way to go but on that type of thing i trust marks to make the right decision. if they are over simmons dumping him off to toronto makes sense.

harris is dead weight but he's also an expiring.

dinwiddie is the easiest to deal but like i said i think there's a world where they combine as an effective backcourt. dinwiddie played a really good game yesterday, especially on d.

Netaman · Post #116 » by **Netaman** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:56 pm

Tha King wrote:what do you think about going the Dinwiddie/DLO route and looking to add a potentially undervalued player at point guard instead while also keeping Simmons?

Depending on what the Magic do in the offseason/draft at point guard, Suggs/Fultz could be available. Davion Mitchell is another, he'd fit defensively and maybe he could do more offensively on a different team.

i think the best available guy who may fit that description is fvv. and mentality wise he fits this club really well.

toronto fans seem to think he's going to get overpaid but i think a lot of dallas fans felt that way about brunson last year too.

he and dinwiddie both have enough size and spread the floor enough that i think they can play off each other even if neither is a truly elite playmaker.

Post #117 » by **CalamityX12** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:42 pm

I do not believe in KAT.... thats not an essential piece

GTR11 · Post #118 » by **GTR11** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:14 am

CalamityX12 wrote:I do not believe in KAT.... thats not an essential piece

They both mental midgets that have no business being in NYC.

Ben will get one more year before he will get canned out. Marks set into 2024/25 offseason. Something will go down.

Ben will be MLE guy after his contract runs out. Guy has tools, upstairs is where the issue is.

Eatgreenz · Post #119 » by **Eatgreenz** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:34 am

Tha King wrote:I'd like to see Simmons with a full offseason and a full year removed from back surgery before trading him. I think even in a bench role next year, his playmaking and rebounding added to this current group would make the team a ton better.

Ppl continue to down play it takes literally a yr for a player to be 100% and feel like there old self from a back injury.

GTR11 · Post #120 » by **GTR11** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:27 am

Eatgreenz wrote:
Tha King wrote:I'd like to see Simmons with a full offseason and a full year removed from back surgery before trading him. I think even in a bench role next year, his playmaking and rebounding added to this current group would make the team a ton better.

Ppl continue to down play it takes literally a yr for a player to be 100% and feel like there old self from a back injury.

I hope I could share your enthusiasm about Ben. It's just his track record say we shouldn't hold our breath here.

We will see what up next year.