2023 Offseason

[CrimsonCrew]

Paraag Marathe is one of the very best at what he does; first team All-Pro at managing the cap. Can't imagine Lynch would have even attempted this without running the numbers by Marathe first. As long as Marathe gave a thumbs-up, that's good enough for me.

He's very good at what he does, but this FO made the financial decisions that caused us to lose Buckner while throwing money down the drain for the likes of Pierre Garcon, Malcolm Smith, Jet McKinnon, Dee Ford, etc., so it's not like it's all been great moves. We have routinely overpaid guys who disappointed. That goes with the territory to a degree, but still, it's a concerning hit rate.

Hargrave has only gotten better as he's aged, he's hopefully angry and motivated about missing out on his SB win, and he should be a holy terror next to Bosa, but I have concerns about losing our young, home-grown talent.

The good news is that we've got two more years of cheap QB contracts, but then Lance will be on a pretty pricey (not by QB standards, perhaps, but still) fifth-year deal if he earns that. That's probably around the time we'd want to extend Purdy if he's the starter, too. We can't keep paying all these guys once the QB position comes due.

Jet and Dee were good signings, they just couldn't stay healthy. Jet played well for KC and Ford was great, almost got the team a ring.

True. I give them a pass on McKinnon, even though we overpaid for the RB position, as he suffered a severe fluke injury. Ford had injury issues coming in, though.

[CrimsonCrew]

Kinlaw on the trade block. I'm sure he could net...nothing?

[CrimsonCrew]

I realize I've been pretty negative about this Hargrave signing, and I don't want to be. Our D was already pretty nasty, and this should improve it. We aren't losing much from that side, though seeing Jimmy Ward go is unfortunate. But adding Hargrave should improve all four spots on the DL. He's a huge upgrade as a pass rusher over anything we had. His presence will make it harder to double Bosa, and if teams do, then they can't double Hargrave. Armstead again becomes the #3 concern - at worst - for opposing defenses, and can hopefully get back to the efficiency he had in that situation in 2019. And then our last DE, whoever it may be, should only ever face a single blocker.

Now we need to focus on shoring up the OL and maybe adding a couple weapons to groom at TE and WR. Hopefully Moseley comes back on the cheap.

[RIPskaterdude]

He's very good at what he does, but this FO made the financial decisions that caused us to lose Buckner while throwing money down the drain for the likes of Pierre Garcon, Malcolm Smith, Jet McKinnon, Dee Ford, etc., so it's not like it's all been great moves. We have routinely overpaid guys who disappointed. That goes with the territory to a degree, but still, it's a concerning hit rate.

Hargrave has only gotten better as he's aged, he's hopefully angry and motivated about missing out on his SB win, and he should be a holy terror next to Bosa, but I have concerns about losing our young, home-grown talent.

The good news is that we've got two more years of cheap QB contracts, but then Lance will be on a pretty pricey (not by QB standards, perhaps, but still) fifth-year deal if he earns that. That's probably around the time we'd want to extend Purdy if he's the starter, too. We can't keep paying all these guys once the QB position comes due.

Jet and Dee were good signings, they just couldn't stay healthy. Jet played well for KC and Ford was great, almost got the team a ring.

True. I give them a pass on McKinnon, even though we overpaid for the RB position, as he suffered a severe fluke injury. Ford had injury issues coming in, though.

Yeah, it was an overpay, but they had to pay $$ after being terrible the season before. He would have been perfect for this team. Bummer

[Jikkle]

I trust that the front office has this factored in. I'm sure they have guys who will continue to restructure

Paraag Marathe is one of the very best at what he does; first team All-Pro at managing the cap. Can't imagine Lynch would have even attempted this without running the numbers by Marathe first. As long as Marathe gave a thumbs-up, that's good enough for me.

He's very good at what he does, but this FO made the financial decisions that caused us to lose Buckner while throwing money down the drain for the likes of Pierre Garcon, Malcolm Smith, Jet McKinnon, Dee Ford, etc., so it's not like it's all been great moves. We have routinely overpaid guys who disappointed. That goes with the territory to a degree, but still, it's a concerning hit rate.

Hargrave has only gotten better as he's aged, he's hopefully angry and motivated about missing out on his SB win, and he should be a holy terror next to Bosa, but I have concerns about losing our young, home-grown talent.

The good news is that we've got two more years of cheap QB contracts, but then Lance will be on a pretty pricey (not by QB standards, perhaps, but still) fifth-year deal if he earns that. That's probably around the time we'd want to extend Purdy if he's the starter, too. We can't keep paying all these guys once the QB position comes due.

The loss of Buckner was more of a calculated decision by the front office than one of financial mismanagement.

They figured Armstead on a cheaper contract + 1st round pick was more valuable than paying Buckner. It's not a terrible idea but with Kinlaw being a complete flop they gambled and lost badly.

They overpaid for the other guys but those signings happened when we were flush with cap space and they really didn't have any negative impact on anything the team wanted to accomplish. I don't think we missed out on resigning or signing anybody we wanted due to those contracts and the only one that kinda bit us was Dee Ford's

[Jikkle]

According to PFF Hargraves has been the #2 pass rush DT the past two seasons only behind Donald. Given the talent around him I doubt he'll see any fall off from that as well.

I'd say he's a pretty massive addition as I thought our pass rush was still good but not as good as you'd like it to have been. Bosa really was the only guy that was a strong pass rusher and the other guys just benefited from his presence.

As far as the money goes I trust they didn't make this signing without having a long-term plan and there are ways to play with the numbers to make it work.

Most of the time they structure these deals to take bigger cap hits at different years and juggle it like with Deebo's contract for example where he's only 8 million cap hit this season but a 28 million cap hit next and they'll likely do the same with Hargraves and Bosa's contracts.

[Jikkle]

Kinlaw on the trade block. I'm sure he could net...nothing?

Probably depends on his physical and what the 9ers are asking for.

If I was a team with some surplus cap space I'd take a flyer on him for a 5th round or lower pick. I mean he's got more potential than what you'd get with a guy from the 5th round so it might be worth a dice roll.

[CrimsonCrew]

Kinlaw on the trade block. I'm sure he could net...nothing?

Probably depends on his physical and what the 9ers are asking for.

If I was a team with some surplus cap space I'd take a flyer on him for a 5th round or lower pick. I mean he's got more potential than what you'd get with a guy from the 5th round so it might be worth a dice roll.

I'd love it if it happened, but not holding my breath. I think a decent number of 5th round DL could have held up their blockers better than he did in the NFC Championship game.

[Jikkle]

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Would have to see the exact details but man it feels like a pretty big overpay on the Bronco's part.

Seems pretty similar to the deal we gave Hargraves and Hargraves is a way better player than McGlinchey.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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I just feel this draft they should be aggressive in beefing up the offensive line and even defensive line as I doubt Kinlaw and Armstead are the teams long-term plans.

yes, gotta go deep on the OL this draft

We can get Tyler Steen in the third. Blake Freeland could also be there in the third.

[Jikkle]

Kinlaw on the trade block. I'm sure he could net...nothing?

Probably depends on his physical and what the 9ers are asking for.

If I was a team with some surplus cap space I'd take a flyer on him for a 5th round or lower pick. I mean he's got more potential than what you'd get with a guy from the 5th round so it might be worth a dice roll.

I'd love it if it happened, but not holding my breath. I think a decent number of 5th round DL could have held up their blockers better than he did in the NFC Championship game.

He was consistently in PFFs bottom 5 for our defense when he came back and the fact that he's in the trade block probably means he's knee is toast.

I'd imagine if the team thought he could still develop into something they'd keep even with the Hargraves signing to have quality depth but unless they are asking a high price for him that's not looking like the case.

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I think he’s better than Purdy. Definitely better than Johnson.

[Jikkle]

The other benefit of the Hargraves signing is that it weakens a direct rival in the NFC with the Eagles.

Looking at the NFC with it getting even weaker with Rodgers likely going to the Jets and Brady retired it's still shaping up to be the 9ers and Eagles as the top dogs of the conference.

[CrimsonCrew]

Darnold at close to the minimum is fine with me. He's got some upside. He's played on pretty bad teams, but even considering that, really tough to say he's better than Purdy. Darnold has been a disaster. His processing, vision, decision-making, which are all areas where Purdy excels, seem to be very questionable.

[CrimsonCrew]

The other benefit of the Hargraves signing is that it weakens a direct rival in the NFC with the Eagles.

Looking at the NFC with it getting even weaker with Rodgers likely going to the Jets and Brady retired it's still shaping up to be the 9ers and Eagles as the top dogs of the conference.

Good point from <groan> Grant Cohn. This will definitely help the defense. But the Eagles has a NASTY pass rush last year, best in the league by a country mile, and got exactly zero sacks from that DL when it mattered the most. As nice a move as this is, they've got to make sure their offense can throw haymakers with the big boys. Granted, barring an outright collapse from the OL, they should be able to have a strong offense again next year.

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I think he’s better than Purdy. Definitely better than Johnson.

He's from my hometown and went to my high school so I've always had a soft spot for him but I do like the signing.

He's bounced from two dysfunctional situations and while I don't think he's going to morph into an All-Pro QB I can see him being something solid with talent and stability around him.

[Jikkle]

The other benefit of the Hargraves signing is that it weakens a direct rival in the NFC with the Eagles.

Looking at the NFC with it getting even weaker with Rodgers likely going to the Jets and Brady retired it's still shaping up to be the 9ers and Eagles as the top dogs of the conference.

Good point from <groan> Grant Cohn. This will definitely help the defense. But the Eagles has a NASTY pass rush last year, best in the league by a country mile, and got exactly zero sacks from that DL when it mattered the most. As nice a move as this is, they've got to make sure their offense can throw haymakers with the big boys. Granted, barring an outright collapse from the OL, they should be able to have a strong offense again next year.

It's a valid point by Cohn but I will say the Eagle's defensive line had their way with our offensive line so I'll take anyway to chip away at that especially if it makes us stronger.

Also strong defensive lines get you to the Super Bowl. I mean if you look at the past couple of Super Bowls at least one of the teams in them had a strong defensive line so I understand the mentality of wanting to make sure that's strong.

[RIPskaterdude]

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[CrimsonCrew]

The other benefit of the Hargraves signing is that it weakens a direct rival in the NFC with the Eagles.

Looking at the NFC with it getting even weaker with Rodgers likely going to the Jets and Brady retired it's still shaping up to be the 9ers and Eagles as the top dogs of the conference.

Good point from <groan> Grant Cohn. This will definitely help the defense. But the Eagles has a NASTY pass rush last year, best in the league by a country mile, and got exactly zero sacks from that DL when it mattered the most. As nice a move as this is, they've got to make sure their offense can throw haymakers with the big boys. Granted, barring an outright collapse from the OL, they should be able to have a strong offense again next year.

It's a valid point by Cohn but I will say the Eagle's defensive line had their way with our offensive line so I'll take anyway to chip away at that especially if it makes us stronger.

Also strong defensive lines get you to the Super Bowl. I mean if you look at the past couple of Super Bowls at least one of the teams in them had a strong defensive line so I understand the mentality of wanting to make sure that's strong.

Yeah, you can't just add offense. And even if you can't completely shut out a team like KC, you can slow them down. This will help. The offense is still the class of the league at the skill positions, so they need a solid center (Brendel was fine, but it shouldn't be all that hard to replace him). Obviously RT is a concern, too, though they may feel McKivitz will be alright, or we may see a cheaper option from the FA market.

I'm still pretty worried about where this team will be in three years, but that's a ton of time in the NFL, and they're right to focus on a SB now, while we're paying so little at the QB position.

[RIPskaterdude]

Good point from <groan> Grant Cohn. This will definitely help the defense. But the Eagles has a NASTY pass rush last year, best in the league by a country mile, and got exactly zero sacks from that DL when it mattered the most. As nice a move as this is, they've got to make sure their offense can throw haymakers with the big boys. Granted, barring an outright collapse from the OL, they should be able to have a strong offense again next year.

It's a valid point by Cohn but I will say the Eagle's defensive line had their way with our offensive line so I'll take anyway to chip away at that especially if it makes us stronger.

Also strong defensive lines get you to the Super Bowl. I mean if you look at the past couple of Super Bowls at least one of the teams in them had a strong defensive line so I understand the mentality of wanting to make sure that's strong.

Yeah, you can't just add offense. And even if you can't completely shut out a team like KC, you can slow them down. This will help. The offense is still the class of the league at the skill positions, so they need a solid center (Brendel was fine, but it shouldn't be all that hard to replace him). Obviously RT is a concern, too, though they may feel McKivitz will be alright, or we may see a cheaper option from the FA market.

I'm still pretty worried about where this team will be in three years, but that's a ton of time in the NFL, and they're right to focus on a SB now, while we're paying so little at the QB position.

Would you trade places with the Rams, who are shedding good players to avoid salary hell, if it meant the 49ers won a ring last season?