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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#63 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:11 pm

I think that Vaughn needs to put in some off ball actions to free up Mikal. I didn't like the offense towards the middle of the 4th.

This roster is optimized for ball movement and shooting. Spencer played well yesterday but i think you've got to focus on getting both Bridges and Johnson more looks coming off of screens and backdoor cuts.

It's hard to really judge right now because of the roster make up (Marks is really bad at this) and just the time it takes to develop chemistry. I think the Nets need to make moves in the offseason for an upgrade at PG. Watching Seth at PG leaves a lot to be desired (he played well though).
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#64 » by 3pt_chucker » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:36 pm

That was a good win yesterday. I said this a few games back but it's more evident each game, when JV leans into only playing big, aka no midget 2 or 3 guard lineups, this team thrives. Lineups where Seth/Din are the only guards on the floor, the team plays really well. The best part is that this looks highly translatable to the playoffs.

The small ball lineup of Din-CJ-Bridges-Royce-DFS has started to look like it might be the best lineup on the roster at least against every team except Philly.

On defense, the ability for DFS to seamlessly play the 5 and Royce's ability to switch on to bigs make the lineup work. Even when the other team tries to hunt a switch for the smallest guy on the floor (Din), he is at least big enough for it to not immediately be a liability. Also hunting for that switch, bleeds clock and the other team has to rush into most likely a rushed difficult shot.

On offense, 5 out is just so perfect for this modern NBA. If DFS can find his 3pt consistency, that lineup would be even more lethal. JV and co need to figure out a way to improve the offense down the stretch. I'm fine with Din dominating the ball but too many times it seems like after he blows by his guy he's not sure what to do with the ball and the other guys aren't sure either. Hopefully this gets better with reps and time.

In the last 5 games, this lineup has played 37 mins(small sample) but has an OFF rating = 107 DEF rating = 92 Net = +14 & +18.5! in 81 possessions.

Hopefully JV deploys this lineup a bit more so they can build chemistry.

BTW, the starting lineup is also really good. OFF Rating = 116 DEF rating = 106 Net = +11 +8.9 in 282 possessions
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#65 » by ChuckS » Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:00 pm

3pt_chucker wrote:That was a good win yesterday. I said this a few games back but it's more evident each game, when JV leans into only playing big, aka no midget 2 or 3 guard lineups, this team thrives. Lineups where Seth/Din are the only guards on the floor, the team plays really well. The best part is that this looks highly translatable to the playoffs.

The small ball lineup of Din-CJ-Bridges-Royce-DFS has started to look like it might be the best lineup on the roster at least against every team except Philly.

On defense, the ability for DFS to seamlessly play the 5 and Royce's ability to switch on to bigs make the lineup work. Even when the other team tries to hunt a switch for the smallest guy on the floor (Din), he is at least big enough for it to not immediately be a liability. Also hunting for that switch, bleeds clock and the other team has to rush into most likely a rushed difficult shot.

On offense, 5 out is just so perfect for this modern NBA. If DFS can find his 3pt consistency, that lineup would be even more lethal. JV and co need to figure out a way to improve the offense down the stretch. I'm fine with Din dominating the ball but too many times it seems like after he blows by his guy he's not sure what to do with the ball and the other guys aren't sure either. Hopefully this gets better with reps and time.

In the last 5 games, this lineup has played 37 mins(small sample) but has an OFF rating = 107 DEF rating = 92 Net = +14 & +18.5! in 81 possessions.

Hopefully JV deploys this lineup a bit more so they can build chemistry.

BTW, the starting lineup is also really good. OFF Rating = 116 DEF rating = 106 Net = +11 +8.9 in 282 possessions



Great analysis -- just a few thoughts.

I think that small lineup you mentioned could well be our version of a closing "death squad". And JV is great at offensive/defensive substitutions, so I think we will also see Nic in and out with Seth or whomever is hot mixed in late in a game, depending on needs.

You mentioned DFS' threes, and he seems to be rounding into form. But when Spencer gets back to his Dallas production, our offensive rating should be even better. He's getting the same points, but there he averaged 45.5/40.4 percent shooting. I think he and JV have been more concerned with getting everyone else going and building cohesion. And it has worked, so Din struggling with his own three shot hasn't been that problematic. But I still remember him stealing a game from us, so I am optimistic.

We are no longer merely a finesse team. But superstar bigs will still be a problem, as they are with enveryone else. Jokic is absolutely terrifying, and Gobert was no slouch, so I'm wondering if that defense with Royce and DFS on them, sometimes with Nic playing defensive safety, will work against guys like Joel and Giannis. It seems harder with the latter since he's usually not relatively stationary, and I do not know if our defense can be modified to stop him going downhill. JV seems to save it for the second half, and particularly crunch time, so it's not overused. We just must work better to stay closer early.
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#66 » by Heezzi » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:15 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Dinwiddie getting a lot of hate. I think last game towards the end he held the ball one for way too long.

But hes also the only creator on this team. Bridges get very passive sometimes. When he can't get open for a jumper he can't really drive to the rim or create for others.

Spencer basically ran the offense all game and was excellent.


You would be passive too if Dinwiddie won't pass the ball. There were multiple times where Cam Johnson was open for a shot and Spencer wouldn't pass the ball.
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#68 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:47 am

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Dinwiddie getting a lot of hate. I think last game towards the end he held the ball one for way too long.

But hes also the only creator on this team. Bridges get very passive sometimes. When he can't get open for a jumper he can't really drive to the rim or create for others.

Spencer basically ran the offense all game and was excellent.


You would be passive too if Dinwiddie won't pass the ball. There were multiple times where Cam Johnson was open for a shot and Spencer wouldn't pass the ball.


No there were several times where Bridges got the ball and did nothing with it.
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#69 » by GTR11 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:07 am

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Papi_swav wrote:What clear #1 do you see us having a chance to get? I think Brown can definitely be a clear #1, even if not him and Bridges and Claxton would be force to be reckoned with on offense and defense. Spurs didn't have a clear #1 when they won 2 chips with Kawhi, they played great as a TEAM. Tatum is a FA in 2025 too.


I’ve been to long Nets fan to continue believing in free agent signings , over last quarter century we been fortunate twice to sign or trade for premier free agents

First time because Kidd decided to smack his wife around and we was fortunate that he needed to be traded out of Phoenix

Second time because Kyrie childhood dream was playing for the Nets and he dragged KD into this idea and subsequently Harden

That’s it , and with all due respect we’re not Spurs nor we have culture anywhere close to theirs , or their coaching staff or their front office

You know when Timmy Duncan hit his free agency , without any pressure Pop and FO actually gave him green light and time to think about it , but they talked almost like father and son about their team direction, about what they wanted to achieve together , we have this here ? This kind of relations ? Mutual understanding?

We don’t, if we had a fraction of Spurs culture here it would never become to this point that three stars demands a trade within few months

Players often follows their favorite coaches, staff members , if we have Udoka , yes I can see it Brown or maybe even Tatum coming here in the future

Who’s gonna want to join Genocide Joe , IDGAF Marks or Vaughn ?

What about the time when we got Dwill, I think we all was ecstatic to have Dwill especially when he exploded for that 58 point game in NJ. Then we bought in Joe Johnson, that was definitely an exciting time for the Nets. But Dwill unexpectedly fell off a cliff, nobody seen that coming.

The point I was making with the Spurs was that there was not a clear cut #1 player on that team, Kawhi was still a baby and the Spurs big 3 were dinosaurs at that time but they all had played as a team and got it done. No ofcourse we're not on the Spurs level as of culture but no team is except the Warriors. Don't forget Sean marks came from that Spurs cloth and so did Vaughn so there's a start. Remember before we got Kyrie and KD all we kept hearing was about how great the Nets culture was and how we somehow made a 180 as a franchise from those Billy King days.

You guys have to forget about the stars demanding trades, this was mostly Kyries fault and this new generation of players are much different than the OGs. I think alot of ppl around the league realize Kyrie is a weirdo, I mean 4 different franchises for a super star player screams red flags. Marks gave the stars the stars the keys and they ruined it.

I think ya'll should think positive, we're on the right track we just have to stay on the right path. We've done it before and we can do it again. Like I said Kyrie and KD both saw the culture Nets build here and all the assets they had before coming here. If not then they could of easily signed anywhere else. If we hadn't have a little core and culture here they wouldn't of signed no matter how much Kyrie dreamed of playing for his favorite childhood team. If we get a legit guard we might be something serious. I mean we just beat the top team in the league and almost beat the Bucks without our whole team.

Sorry to poo poo on some of your points Papi but it has nothing to do with a culture but, it's about location. NYC, LA and Miami ( ChiTown and Houston to some degree ) are top destinations for young millionaire boys and their families. It's about market for them.

What that dumb fuc* don't understand is. San An is all about Pop and what he build. Timmy wanted to leave and was few minutes away from being in Orlando. Kawhi left and didn't want no part of culture or San An. So culture can take you only so far.

Brown will leave because he was constantly on a trade block. PG, AD and latest KD rumors took its toll. He picked lots from Kyrie and it's not something you want in your locker.

We will get top 10 player in a year or two. It's matter of time.
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#70 » by GTR11 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:15 am

MrDollarBills wrote:I think that Vaughn needs to put in some off ball actions to free up Mikal. I didn't like the offense towards the middle of the 4th.

This roster is optimized for ball movement and shooting. Spencer played well yesterday but i think you've got to focus on getting both Bridges and Johnson more looks coming off of screens and backdoor cuts.

It's hard to really judge right now because of the roster make up (Marks is really bad at this) and just the time it takes to develop chemistry. I think the Nets need to make moves in the offseason for an upgrade at PG. Watching Seth at PG leaves a lot to be desired (he played well though).

We got 35 m sitting home doing nothing. Guess what, he will be here next year too. Y'all shouldn't hold your breath for this off-season.

If anything, Cam is the guy to watch for. He needs to break out or he will find himself being traded for next star that wants to play in BK. Same thing is true for Ben, but with Ben it's more about him getting paid or being MLE guy that is 7-8th rotation guy.
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#71 » by GTR11 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:29 am

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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#72 » by GTR11 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:31 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Heezzi wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Dinwiddie getting a lot of hate. I think last game towards the end he held the ball one for way too long.

But hes also the only creator on this team. Bridges get very passive sometimes. When he can't get open for a jumper he can't really drive to the rim or create for others.

Spencer basically ran the offense all game and was excellent.


You would be passive too if Dinwiddie won't pass the ball. There were multiple times where Cam Johnson was open for a shot and Spencer wouldn't pass the ball.


No there were several times where Bridges got the ball and did nothing with it.

I can't believe hot takes king provides legit facts lately :lol:
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Post#73 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:32 am

GTR11 wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
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I’ve been to long Nets fan to continue believing in free agent signings , over last quarter century we been fortunate twice to sign or trade for premier free agents

First time because Kidd decided to smack his wife around and we was fortunate that he needed to be traded out of Phoenix

Second time because Kyrie childhood dream was playing for the Nets and he dragged KD into this idea and subsequently Harden

That’s it , and with all due respect we’re not Spurs nor we have culture anywhere close to theirs , or their coaching staff or their front office

You know when Timmy Duncan hit his free agency , without any pressure Pop and FO actually gave him green light and time to think about it , but they talked almost like father and son about their team direction, about what they wanted to achieve together , we have this here ? This kind of relations ? Mutual understanding?

We don’t, if we had a fraction of Spurs culture here it would never become to this point that three stars demands a trade within few months

Players often follows their favorite coaches, staff members , if we have Udoka , yes I can see it Brown or maybe even Tatum coming here in the future

Who’s gonna want to join Genocide Joe , IDGAF Marks or Vaughn ?

What about the time when we got Dwill, I think we all was ecstatic to have Dwill especially when he exploded for that 58 point game in NJ. Then we bought in Joe Johnson, that was definitely an exciting time for the Nets. But Dwill unexpectedly fell off a cliff, nobody seen that coming.

The point I was making with the Spurs was that there was not a clear cut #1 player on that team, Kawhi was still a baby and the Spurs big 3 were dinosaurs at that time but they all had played as a team and got it done. No ofcourse we're not on the Spurs level as of culture but no team is except the Warriors. Don't forget Sean marks came from that Spurs cloth and so did Vaughn so there's a start. Remember before we got Kyrie and KD all we kept hearing was about how great the Nets culture was and how we somehow made a 180 as a franchise from those Billy King days.

You guys have to forget about the stars demanding trades, this was mostly Kyries fault and this new generation of players are much different than the OGs. I think alot of ppl around the league realize Kyrie is a weirdo, I mean 4 different franchises for a super star player screams red flags. Marks gave the stars the stars the keys and they ruined it.

I think ya'll should think positive, we're on the right track we just have to stay on the right path. We've done it before and we can do it again. Like I said Kyrie and KD both saw the culture Nets build here and all the assets they had before coming here. If not then they could of easily signed anywhere else. If we hadn't have a little core and culture here they wouldn't of signed no matter how much Kyrie dreamed of playing for his favorite childhood team. If we get a legit guard we might be something serious. I mean we just beat the top team in the league and almost beat the Bucks without our whole team.

Sorry to poo poo on some of your points Papi but it has nothing to do with a culture but, it's about location. NYC, LA and Miami ( ChiTown and Houston to some degree ) are top destinations for young millionaire boys and their families. It's about market for them.

What that dumb fuc* don't understand is. San An is all about Pop and what he build. Timmy wanted to leave and was few minutes away from being in Orlando. Kawhi left and didn't want no part of culture or San An. So culture can take you only so far.

Brown will leave because he was constantly on a trade block. PG, AD and latest KD rumors took its toll. He picked lots from Kyrie and it's not something you want in your locker.

We will get top 10 player in a year or two. It's matter of time.


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You doing yourself no favors calling others dumb F#cks

It shows your character and nature , all already knows that all you are is racist piece of s#it

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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#74 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:23 am

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This is elite defense.

If only Simmons was 80% of what he was before his surgery. Ugh.
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Post#75 » by Riconet » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:29 pm

3pt_chucker wrote:That was a good win yesterday. I said this a few games back but it's more evident each game, when JV leans into only playing big, aka no midget 2 or 3 guard lineups, this team thrives. Lineups where Seth/Din are the only guards on the floor, the team plays really well. The best part is that this looks highly translatable to the playoffs.

The small ball lineup of Din-CJ-Bridges-Royce-DFS has started to look like it might be the best lineup on the roster at least against every team except Philly.

On defense, the ability for DFS to seamlessly play the 5 and Royce's ability to switch on to bigs make the lineup work. Even when the other team tries to hunt a switch for the smallest guy on the floor (Din), he is at least big enough for it to not immediately be a liability. Also hunting for that switch, bleeds clock and the other team has to rush into most likely a rushed difficult shot.

On offense, 5 out is just so perfect for this modern NBA. If DFS can find his 3pt consistency, that lineup would be even more lethal. JV and co need to figure out a way to improve the offense down the stretch. I'm fine with Din dominating the ball but too many times it seems like after he blows by his guy he's not sure what to do with the ball and the other guys aren't sure either. Hopefully this gets better with reps and time.

In the last 5 games, this lineup has played 37 mins(small sample) but has an OFF rating = 107 DEF rating = 92 Net = +14 & +18.5! in 81 possessions.

Hopefully JV deploys this lineup a bit more so they can build chemistry.

BTW, the starting lineup is also really good. OFF Rating = 116 DEF rating = 106 Net = +11 +8.9 in 282 possessions


Good post but I think Clax is one of their best 5 guys and, most of the time, will be part of their best 5-man unit along with Dinwiddie, Bridges and 2 of CJ, Royce and DFS.
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#76 » by 3pt_chucker » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:43 pm

Riconet wrote:
3pt_chucker wrote:That was a good win yesterday. I said this a few games back but it's more evident each game, when JV leans into only playing big, aka no midget 2 or 3 guard lineups, this team thrives. Lineups where Seth/Din are the only guards on the floor, the team plays really well. The best part is that this looks highly translatable to the playoffs.

The small ball lineup of Din-CJ-Bridges-Royce-DFS has started to look like it might be the best lineup on the roster at least against every team except Philly.

On defense, the ability for DFS to seamlessly play the 5 and Royce's ability to switch on to bigs make the lineup work. Even when the other team tries to hunt a switch for the smallest guy on the floor (Din), he is at least big enough for it to not immediately be a liability. Also hunting for that switch, bleeds clock and the other team has to rush into most likely a rushed difficult shot.

On offense, 5 out is just so perfect for this modern NBA. If DFS can find his 3pt consistency, that lineup would be even more lethal. JV and co need to figure out a way to improve the offense down the stretch. I'm fine with Din dominating the ball but too many times it seems like after he blows by his guy he's not sure what to do with the ball and the other guys aren't sure either. Hopefully this gets better with reps and time.

In the last 5 games, this lineup has played 37 mins(small sample) but has an OFF rating = 107 DEF rating = 92 Net = +14 & +18.5! in 81 possessions.

Hopefully JV deploys this lineup a bit more so they can build chemistry.

BTW, the starting lineup is also really good. OFF Rating = 116 DEF rating = 106 Net = +11 +8.9 in 282 possessions


Good post but I think Clax is one of their best 5 guys and, most of the time, will be part of their best 5-man unit along with Dinwiddie, Bridges and 2 of CJ, Royce and DFS.


Yeah, I mostly agree about Clax. It took awhile for the new players to figure out how to access his offensive game and his defense hasn't been as good(granted he was otherworldly all season), there are signs they are figuring it out.

I think that small ball lineup is something to be used in small doses and depends on game flow. The biggest benefit is the 5 out capability and slight increase in play making(Royce), while not losing too much defensively other than rim protection, tho DFS is not bad in that aspect.

As I pointed out, the starting 5 also looks great and should still get the bulk of the mins.

Also a sneaky good lineup is the bench lineup of Seth-Harris-CJ-Royce-Clax. Small sample(40 possessions) but this lineup is +39 per 100 possession :lol: JV has been using this lineup to start/during the 2nd Q and it's been highly effective.

Will have to see how all these lineups look 10 games from now as chemistry continues to build.
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Re: Nets v Nuggets 3/12 

Post#77 » by Eatgreenz » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:45 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:https://streamable.com/ejgedw

This is elite defense.

If only Simmons was 80% of what he was before his surgery. Ugh.

I keep saying it Ben is the wildcard this offseason. May would make it a full yr removed from his back surgery. Which most people start to make their full recovery. So we will all know by preseason game 1 is he cooked or not. If his not and we get philly Ben, we are competing in the east without having to make any major moves.

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