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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#81 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:21 am

Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Spoiler:
Bob8 wrote:

Archx wrote:


Did any of you saw such report?
Read on Twitter
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Sorry there were no reports on this, at least i didn't saw anything. If this would have been more public i guarantee you it would have been a huge story. This guy looks like he's somekind of a far right movement political journalist, i wouldn't trust him at all.

But i mean, it is possible even though i don't believe it. It's incredibly weird that you go to be an assistant coach for Nash lol. Unless he thought it will be easier to win with KD, Kyrie and Harden so it could be that he was simply chasing a ring.

This is funny though, another Kidd masterclass. Dude is just embarrassing at this point. :lol:

Read on Twitter


Far right? He was member of SD and had even some position in the government. SD is basically ex communist party. He left them, so I guess he's not totally brainwashed after all.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#82 » by Archx » Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:28 am

Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Spoiler:
Did any of you saw such report?
Read on Twitter
?s=20


Sorry there were no reports on this, at least i didn't saw anything. If this would have been more public i guarantee you it would have been a huge story. This guy looks like he's somekind of a far right movement political journalist, i wouldn't trust him at all.

But i mean, it is possible even though i don't believe it. It's incredibly weird that you go to be an assistant coach for Nash lol. Unless he thought it will be easier to win with KD, Kyrie and Harden so it could be that he was simply chasing a ring.

This is funny though, another Kidd masterclass. Dude is just embarrassing at this point. :lol:

Read on Twitter


Far right? He was member of SD and had even some position in the government. SD is basically ex communist party. He left them, so I guess he's not totally brainwashed after all.


There are more ex communists in SDS than any other party, that includes their leader who was so extreme that they kicked him out of the party in the 80's. It is well documented and on record. And in a tweet below he supported Janša. I honestly don't care who he is but doesn't seem trustworthy. If this was true what he was saying, it would have been huge news and Luka wouldn't take it as easy as he probably did.

My best guess is, Igor was just chasing a ring, that's all.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#83 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:44 am

Archx wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Sorry there were no reports on this, at least i didn't saw anything. If this would have been more public i guarantee you it would have been a huge story. This guy looks like he's somekind of a far right movement political journalist, i wouldn't trust him at all.

But i mean, it is possible even though i don't believe it. It's incredibly weird that you go to be an assistant coach for Nash lol. Unless he thought it will be easier to win with KD, Kyrie and Harden so it could be that he was simply chasing a ring.

This is funny though, another Kidd masterclass. Dude is just embarrassing at this point. :lol:

Read on Twitter


Far right? He was member of SD and had even some position in the government. SD is basically ex communist party. He left them, so I guess he's not totally brainwashed after all.


There are more ex communists in SDS than any other party, that includes their leader who was so extreme that they kicked him out of the party in the 80's. It is well documented and on record. And in a tweet below he supported Janša. I honestly don't care who he is but doesn't seem trustworthy. If this was true what he was saying, it would have been huge news and Luka wouldn't take it as easy as he probably did.

My best guess is, Igor was just chasing a ring, that's all.


Yes everyone who wanted to have anything with politics were communists back then, or in the prison or in Argentina. ;) But being in communist party, 20 years after we got finally opportunity to choose what we want, is something else.

Maybe to explain over friends here, how socialism in Slovenia works. Worker has to pay 22.1% of his salary, no cap whatsoever, for social security, his employer has to pay another 16.1% and then you have personal income tax with progressive rates, 50% over 74.000 €. That's a great achievement of our socialist government.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#84 » by XTraderXL » Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:49 am

Archx wrote:I see that Mavs defense without Luka has been really spectacular lately, right? Some of you wanted to trade him, i guess a guy like Thybull would fix all the problems. :lol:

2nd game in a row they were relying on a 20yo rookie to carry them in the most important phase of the year, while some of us said at the season's start that Kidd's game schemes won't be sustainable entire season. You can't play your best player entire 2nd half most of the time like Kidd was doing early on.

This season is such a failure from coaching and team management perspective. After this loss they'll be 0.5 games away from missing the playoffs entirely.



Yeah, conveniently forget that the Mavs would get back players that would replace Luka. For me there is no question the team would get better if they traded Luka. He cant even get them to a 50% record. How do you not improve after getting back a few solid/good players and FRPs?
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#85 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:59 am

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Archx wrote:I see that Mavs defense without Luka has been really spectacular lately, right? Some of you wanted to trade him, i guess a guy like Thybull would fix all the problems. :lol:

2nd game in a row they were relying on a 20yo rookie to carry them in the most important phase of the year, while some of us said at the season's start that Kidd's game schemes won't be sustainable entire season. You can't play your best player entire 2nd half most of the time like Kidd was doing early on.

This season is such a failure from coaching and team management perspective. After this loss they'll be 0.5 games away from missing the playoffs entirely.



Yeah, conveniently forget that the Mavs would get back players that would replace Luka. For me there is no question the team would get better if they traded Luka. He cant even get them to a 50% record. How do you not improve after getting back a few solid/good players and FRPs?


That's no exactly the truth. They're 31-26 with him. I'm not sure if it's his fault that they have won only 3 times without him.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#86 » by XTraderXL » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:01 pm

Archx wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Sorry there were no reports on this, at least i didn't saw anything. If this would have been more public i guarantee you it would have been a huge story. This guy looks like he's somekind of a far right movement political journalist, i wouldn't trust him at all.

But i mean, it is possible even though i don't believe it. It's incredibly weird that you go to be an assistant coach for Nash lol. Unless he thought it will be easier to win with KD, Kyrie and Harden so it could be that he was simply chasing a ring.

This is funny though, another Kidd masterclass. Dude is just embarrassing at this point. :lol:

Read on Twitter


Far right? He was member of SD and had even some position in the government. SD is basically ex communist party. He left them, so I guess he's not totally brainwashed after all.


There are more ex communists in SDS than any other party, that includes their leader who was so extreme that they kicked him out of the party in the 80's. It is well documented and on record. And in a tweet below he supported Janša. I honestly don't care who he is but doesn't seem trustworthy. If this was true what he was saying, it would have been huge news and Luka wouldn't take it as easy as he probably did.

My best guess is, Igor was just chasing a ring, that's all.


Back then if you wanted to become anything in politics or business you had to be in the communist party. That doesnt mean you shared their ideology, it was just a membership of convenience.

It is unsurprising you dont know that though. You lack the basic knowledge on pretty much anything 8-)
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#87 » by ACMFFL » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:03 pm

At this point of the season this is the first time we are below .500 since Luka's rookie year..
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#88 » by XTraderXL » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:03 pm

Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
Archx wrote:I see that Mavs defense without Luka has been really spectacular lately, right? Some of you wanted to trade him, i guess a guy like Thybull would fix all the problems. :lol:

2nd game in a row they were relying on a 20yo rookie to carry them in the most important phase of the year, while some of us said at the season's start that Kidd's game schemes won't be sustainable entire season. You can't play your best player entire 2nd half most of the time like Kidd was doing early on.

This season is such a failure from coaching and team management perspective. After this loss they'll be 0.5 games away from missing the playoffs entirely.



Yeah, conveniently forget that the Mavs would get back players that would replace Luka. For me there is no question the team would get better if they traded Luka. He cant even get them to a 50% record. How do you not improve after getting back a few solid/good players and FRPs?


That's no exactly the truth. They're 31-26 with him. I'm not sure if it's his fault that they have won only 3 times without him.


That record is only relevant if he would play 82 games. And we all know he is incapable of that in current shape. And he will never be in better shape than he is now, he is even regressing.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#89 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:09 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:

Yeah, conveniently forget that the Mavs would get back players that would replace Luka. For me there is no question the team would get better if they traded Luka. He cant even get them to a 50% record. How do you not improve after getting back a few solid/good players and FRPs?


That's no exactly the truth. They're 31-26 with him. I'm not sure if it's his fault that they have won only 3 times without him.


That record is only relevant if he would play 82 games. And we all know he is incapable of that in current shape. And he never will be.


Sure, like Giannis and Embiid aren't. They're missing even more games, but their teams are over 50% without them. Warriors have won just 22 games with Curry. What would have happened to Mavs, if Luka would have been out that long? It looks to me that there are much easier things to fix than finding new superstar, who wants to play in Dallas.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#90 » by XTraderXL » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:13 pm

Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
That's no exactly the truth. They're 31-26 with him. I'm not sure if it's his fault that they have won only 3 times without him.


That record is only relevant if he would play 82 games. And we all know he is incapable of that in current shape. And he never will be.


Sure, like Giannis and Embiid aren't. They're missing even more games, but their teams are over 50% without them. Warriors have won just 22 games with Curry. What would happen to Mavs, if Luka would have been out that long?


You are making my point for me. Build a more balanced team instead of relying on Luka. By trading him you get a good package in return and build around 2-3 players so if one get injured the team still performs well. The Mavs arent going anywhere with Luka as their main guy, he is incapable of playing with good players which he will need if he wants to win a title.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#91 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:20 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
That record is only relevant if he would play 82 games. And we all know he is incapable of that in current shape. And he never will be.


Sure, like Giannis and Embiid aren't. They're missing even more games, but their teams are over 50% without them. Warriors have won just 22 games with Curry. What would happen to Mavs, if Luka would have been out that long?


You are making my point for me. Build a more balanced team instead of relying on Luka. By trading him you get a good package in return and build around 2-3 players so if one get injured the team still performs well. The Mavs arent going anywhere with Luka as their main guy, he is incapable of playing with good players which he will need if he wants to win a title.


No, I'm not. In Nba first you have to have superstar and then you can build the team around him. Around who will you build a team, if Luka goes. Kyrie? :lol:

I believe Mavs would need to build very similar team around Luka, like Bucks have built around Giannis. Jrue as secondary ball handler and someone to defend guards would be perfect, the same goes with Lopez, good rim protector, who can shoot and provide spacing.

Luka+Kyrie could work only with 2 fantastic wing defenders and rim protector, which Mavs don't have. In the moment they decided for Kyrie, they should have plan to upgrade D in wing and in C. Playing lineup's with 1 solid defender and 0 rim protection could never work with below average defenders in Luka/Kyrie.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#92 » by XTraderXL » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:25 pm

Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Sure, like Giannis and Embiid aren't. They're missing even more games, but their teams are over 50% without them. Warriors have won just 22 games with Curry. What would happen to Mavs, if Luka would have been out that long?


You are making my point for me. Build a more balanced team instead of relying on Luka. By trading him you get a good package in return and build around 2-3 players so if one get injured the team still performs well. The Mavs arent going anywhere with Luka as their main guy, he is incapable of playing with good players which he will need if he wants to win a title.


No, I'm not. In Nba first you have to have superstar and then you can build the team around him. Around who will you build a team, if Luka goes. Kyrie? :lol:

I believe Mavs would need to build very similar team around Luka, like Bucks have built around Giannis. Jrue as secondary ball handler and someone to defend guards would be perfect, the same goes with Lopez, good rim protector, who can shoot and provide spacing.

Luka+Kyrie could work only with 2 fantastic wing defenders and rim protector, which Mavs don't have.


You cant build around Luka because his style of play will never win a ring in the NBA. He is white Westbrook (in his prime) with worse defense. They even have similar team record hahaha
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#93 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:27 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
You are making my point for me. Build a more balanced team instead of relying on Luka. By trading him you get a good package in return and build around 2-3 players so if one get injured the team still performs well. The Mavs arent going anywhere with Luka as their main guy, he is incapable of playing with good players which he will need if he wants to win a title.


No, I'm not. In Nba first you have to have superstar and then you can build the team around him. Around who will you build a team, if Luka goes. Kyrie? :lol:

I believe Mavs would need to build very similar team around Luka, like Bucks have built around Giannis. Jrue as secondary ball handler and someone to defend guards would be perfect, the same goes with Lopez, good rim protector, who can shoot and provide spacing.

Luka+Kyrie could work only with 2 fantastic wing defenders and rim protector, which Mavs don't have.


You cant build around Luka because his style of play will never win a ring in the NBA. He is white Westbrook (in his prime) with worse defense. They even have similar team record hahaha


If Mavs last year had Jrue and Lopez, instead of Dinwiddie and Powell, could they have won?
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#94 » by XTraderXL » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:39 pm

Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
No, I'm not. In Nba first you have to have superstar and then you can build the team around him. Around who will you build a team, if Luka goes. Kyrie? :lol:

I believe Mavs would need to build very similar team around Luka, like Bucks have built around Giannis. Jrue as secondary ball handler and someone to defend guards would be perfect, the same goes with Lopez, good rim protector, who can shoot and provide spacing.

Luka+Kyrie could work only with 2 fantastic wing defenders and rim protector, which Mavs don't have.


You cant build around Luka because his style of play will never win a ring in the NBA. He is white Westbrook (in his prime) with worse defense. They even have similar team record hahaha


If Mavs last year had Jrue and Lopez, instead of Dinwiddie and Powell, could they won?


No, the Warriors would still demolish them. And a few other teams as well.

Its a pointless debate anyway. We will just have to wait and see how Lukas career plays out. I would trade him because I believe you cant win a championship with his style of play. He might win a ring later in his career when he is not the best player anymore and he adapts his game to be more team friendly. But he wont win as a #1.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#95 » by Archx » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:41 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
Spoiler:
Archx wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Far right? He was member of SD and had even some position in the government. SD is basically ex communist party. He left them, so I guess he's not totally brainwashed after all.


There are more ex communists in SDS than any other party, that includes their leader who was so extreme that they kicked him out of the party in the 80's. It is well documented and on record. And in a tweet below he supported Janša. I honestly don't care who he is but doesn't seem trustworthy. If this was true what he was saying, it would have been huge news and Luka wouldn't take it as easy as he probably did.

My best guess is, Igor was just chasing a ring, that's all.


Back then if you wanted to become anything in politics or business you had to be in the communist party. That doesnt mean you shared their ideology, it was just a membership of convenience.

It is unsurprising you dont know that though. You lack the basic knowledge on pretty much anything 8-)


You're just here to cause drama again, aren't you? I do have a basic knowledge of 80's political system, otherwise i stopped carring about politics long time ago. But read again what Bob said and what i said and put it into a context.

It's weird saying i lack basic knowledge on everything then you proceed to demand a trade for Doncic and you can't figure out that this is not NBA2k game. No one is trading Giannis or Embiid or Tatum, etc... And no team would be dumb enough to completely massacre their roster to get Luka because that would put them in the same situation as Mavs are in right now. If you're so smart and intelligent, why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#96 » by Speadge » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:44 pm

XTraderXL wrote:You cant build around Luka because his style of play will never win a ring in the NBA. He is white Westbrook (in his prime) with worse defense. They even have similar team record hahaha


There's every season some new prediction what Luka can't or won't, but he always prove doubters wrong.

At some point of your realgm career I will remind you about that :wink:
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Post#97 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:48 pm

XTraderXL wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
You cant build around Luka because his style of play will never win a ring in the NBA. He is white Westbrook (in his prime) with worse defense. They even have similar team record hahaha


If Mavs last year had Jrue and Lopez, instead of Dinwiddie and Powell, could they won?


No, the Warriors would still demolish them. And a few other teams as well.

Its a pointless debate anyway. We will just have to wait and see how Lukas career plays out. I would trade him because I believe you cant win a championship with his style of play. He might win a ring later in his career when he is not the best player anymore and he adapts his game to be more team friendly. But he wont win as a #1.


It's not the problem trading him, but what you get back. You're saying that Luka is not good enough to win a ring as #1, but it's even less likely they can win anything upgrading the team that can't win a single game without Luka, Kyrie would be gone in that case too.

Mavs just need to address the most pressing issue, D and C position and see what happens next. No superstar is coming in Dallas unless they draft him, which happens every 20 years, if you're lucky.
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Post#98 » by Darren » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:51 pm

I think the Mavs should start both Green and Hardy alongside Luka and Kyrie. Maybe Hardy is not as good a defender Bullock is. But Hardy is bigger and more willing rebounding. Having 4 playmakers in a lineup, it is difficult to defend. By the way, again, the Mavs is pretty wrong prioritizing a guard instead of a frontcourt piece. Those minutes with Bertans playing is pretty ugly. And Maxi has been pretty bad since returning from injury. With Wood out, it's a total loss. I think the guards make solid effort in rebounding. Still, Ntilikina is still the top 2 defender on this team. With a team being so good offensively, I think Ntilikina should get minutes.
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Post#99 » by Archx » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:12 pm

Darren wrote:I think the Mavs should start both Green and Hardy alongside Luka and Kyrie. Maybe Hardy is not as good a defender Bullock is. But Hardy is bigger and more willing rebounding. Having 4 playmakers in a lineup, it is difficult to defend. By the way, again, the Mavs is pretty wrong prioritizing a guard instead of a frontcourt piece. Those minutes with Bertans playing is pretty ugly. And Maxi has been pretty bad since returning from injury. With Wood out, it's a total loss. I think the guards make solid effort in rebounding. Still, Ntilikina is still the top 2 defender on this team. With a team being so good offensively, I think Ntilikina should get minutes.


Bullock shouldn't be a starter but on this team, he is. Hardy is still too raw to be a starter on a playoff team, he needs more time.

In my opinion, Maxi is put in an unfair position every game because he's suppose to cover for wings and guards mistakes and also hold his own as a center. Kidd for most of the game played with small unit against Grizz big units. Grizz adjusted, Mavs did not.

Wood, Maxi, Green, THJ/Kyrie, Luka is not only statistically but also on the eye test, the best what Kidd can put on the floor but he's stubborn and doesn't do it.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Grizzlies (Mond, 8:30PM EST) 

Post#100 » by Bob8 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:12 pm

Archx wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:
Spoiler:
Archx wrote:
There are more ex communists in SDS than any other party, that includes their leader who was so extreme that they kicked him out of the party in the 80's. It is well documented and on record. And in a tweet below he supported Janša. I honestly don't care who he is but doesn't seem trustworthy. If this was true what he was saying, it would have been huge news and Luka wouldn't take it as easy as he probably did.

My best guess is, Igor was just chasing a ring, that's all.


Back then if you wanted to become anything in politics or business you had to be in the communist party. That doesnt mean you shared their ideology, it was just a membership of convenience.

It is unsurprising you dont know that though. You lack the basic knowledge on pretty much anything 8-)


You're just here to cause drama again, aren't you? I do have a basic knowledge of 80's political system, otherwise i stopped carring about politics long time ago. But read again what Bob said and what i said and put it into a context.

It's weird saying i lack basic knowledge on everything then you proceed to demand a trade for Doncic and you can't figure out that this is not NBA2k game. No one is trading Giannis or Embiid or Tatum, etc... And no team would be dumb enough to completely massacre their roster to get Luka because that would put them in the same situation as Mavs are right now. If you're so smart and intelligent, why is that so hard for you to understand?


What have I said? SD is legal ancestor of Communist party. They have got all their assets, buildings...You described someone, who was few years ago member of SD and have a position in their government as far right, because he liked some Jansa's tweets. Wtf?

Obsession with Jansa is laughable. People rather pay draconian taxes, because they're afraid that Dark Prince will somehow harm them. On the other hand, they're ok with having far left party in the government. I guess 80 years of brainwashing does that.

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