Is Moses Moody an NBA caliber player? HE PULLED A MAGIC TRICK, HES NOT AN NBA PLAYER!!! HES A CHINA LEVEL PLAYER!!!

[NeoWarriors]

Moses played decently tonight, defence was honest, good cutting to the hoop. Nothing fantabulous but decent enough he might be able to give us spot minutes again in the post season

I like that after getting stuffed by Mo Bamba trying to dunk the ball he came back on the next play and did the same thing, only actually completed the dunk plus the and 1.

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[Sleepy51]

Moses played decently tonight, defence was honest, good cutting to the hoop. Nothing fantabulous but decent enough he might be able to give us spot minutes again in the post season

I like that after getting stuffed by Mo Bamba trying to dunk the ball he came back on the next play and did the same thing, only actually completed the dunk plus the and 1.

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You know what you call a player who takes a do-over every time they try something that doesn't work?

Spoiler:

Jordan Poole

[Jerry Maine]

The first block by Biyombo was excellent, Moody was caught out, but on the second one he went up with both hands and got his revenge. Got to the line shortly after cutting to the hoop from memory.

Hopefully days like today become the norm and he can start carving out a small role.

[EvanZ]

I keep saying it, the finishing is the big thing with Moses. He leaves so many bunnies on the table.

[wco81]

Lee tried to go at him on a drive I remember.

I don't think he got it.

[Big J]

I keep saying it, the finishing is the big thing with Moses. He leaves so many bunnies on the table.

It’s actually the defense. No one would notice his offensive struggles if he was a lock down defender.

[wco81]

I'm willing to give him time, as this is only his second year and he's only 20.

But he's got to show improvement every year.

One thing is he has to train and get stronger -- grown man strength. That hurts Poole's game on both sides and it's probably going to affect Moody as well if it hasn't already.

Strength can somewhat compensate for lack of fast twitch quickness and explosive bounce. Thinking of defenders like Dillon Brooks and to a lesser extent Tucker.

Not saying they would necessarily be able to defend explosive guards like Ja with strength, maybe just contain them. Or worse comes to worse, make them feel it when a stronger defender fouls them.

That is why Draymond has been effective as a defender. He's not explosive, he's got great wingspan but he could wrestle with Blake Griffith in his prime despite being smaller.

[KevinMcreynolds]

he looked somewhat useful last night on D and cutting to the basket but then he gets these point blank open looks and never makes them

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Some of Bill Russel”s blocked shots were because players that rarely faced a good shot blocker were throwing up blockable shots against Russel because they did not know what was blockable and what was unblockable against a good shot blocker because they rarely faced a good shot blocker. Draymond was a good shot blocker in 2016 but he is not a good shot blocker now.

Does Moody get to practice against a shot blocker that is better than Draymond?

I wish Biyombo waa our back up center rather than JMG.

[EvanZ]

I keep saying it, the finishing is the big thing with Moses. He leaves so many bunnies on the table.

It’s actually the defense. No one would notice his offensive struggles if he was a lock down defender.

Oh right because the path for every NBA player is to be a lock down defender.

Moody's path to being an NBA player is figuring out how to finish and remembering how to shoot. It's that simple. He can never be a lock down defender with his feet.

[Big J]

I keep saying it, the finishing is the big thing with Moses. He leaves so many bunnies on the table.

It’s actually the defense. No one would notice his offensive struggles if he was a lock down defender.

Oh right because the path for every NBA player is to be a lock down defender.

Moody's path to being an NBA player is figuring out how to finish and remembering how to shoot. It's that simple. He can never be a lock down defender with his feet.

Well, defense is what we were all sold with him.

[EvanZ]

It’s actually the defense. No one would notice his offensive struggles if he was a lock down defender.

Oh right because the path for every NBA player is to be a lock down defender.

Moody's path to being an NBA player is figuring out how to finish and remembering how to shoot. It's that simple. He can never be a lock down defender with his feet.

Well, defense is what we were all sold with him.

I thought you scouted him? Did you think he was a lockdown defender?

[Big J]

Oh right because the path for every NBA player is to be a lock down defender.

Moody's path to being an NBA player is figuring out how to finish and remembering how to shoot. It's that simple. He can never be a lock down defender with his feet.

Well, defense is what we were all sold with him.

I thought you scouted him? Did you think he was a lockdown defender?

Nope, but a lot of dudes were hyping him as that.

[EvanZ]

People were saying he could be “3&D” which doesn’t really mean lockdown defender. It just means capable on defense. He can still be that.


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[floppymoose]

You know what you call a player who takes a do-over every time they try something that doesn't work?Jordan Poole

I'm curious what you think about Poole's future. I have no idea what to think. Whatever I think seems to be guaranteed to be wrong next season when it comes to Poole.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I'm willing to give him time, as this is only his second year and he's only 20.

But he's got to show improvement every year.

One thing is he has to train and get stronger -- grown man strength. That hurts Poole's game on both sides and it's probably going to affect Moody as well if it hasn't already.

Strength can somewhat compensate for lack of fast twitch quickness and explosive bounce. Thinking of defenders like Dillon Brooks and to a lesser extent Tucker.

Not saying they would necessarily be able to defend explosive guards like Ja with strength, maybe just contain them. Or worse comes to worse, make them feel it when a stronger defender fouls them.

That is why Draymond has been effective as a defender. He's not explosive, he's got great wingspan but he could wrestle with Blake Griffith in his prime despite being smaller.

If he does not improve I try to trade him for a 2nd round draft pick mid season next year and if nobody will offer a 2nd round pick i cut him at mid season or the summer after next year. Maybe I let him come to the 2024 traing camp but at that age he has to earn a roster spot rather than be gifted a roster spot because of potential.

Moody does not have a soecialty. He is not horrible at anything but he is not good at anything.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

People were saying he could be “3&D” which doesn’t really mean lockdown defender. It just means capable on defense. He can still be that.


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Moody is a near miss at the 3. He shot 3s better as a rookie.

He is a miss at the D but with experience he should get better. He is neither fast nor slow. He is big for a guard but small for a small foward.

He is almost a poor man’s 3 and D of the type that many teams have sitting on their bench as their 15th man but Moody is a notch below those 15th man/ poor man’s 3 and D types in terms of what he can do now but a few notches above those 15th men in terms of potential.

Hopefully Moody realizes that his 2nd year was a bust year in which he failed to improve and Moody works gad this summer. Moody should play Summer League. I think it is easier to develop moves when playing against inferior players.

[Sleepy51]

You know what you call a player who takes a do-over every time they try something that doesn't work?Jordan Poole

I'm curious what you think about Poole's future. I have no idea what to think. Whatever I think seems to be guaranteed to be wrong next season when it comes to Poole.

I think if he adds physical strength he has the ability to take another meaningful leap forward, including on defense. I think that most of his problems including his decision making are heavily impacted by how he reacts to physical pressure. He's not "afraid" because he takes the hits constantly, but when he feels he's getting fouled or bullied without protection from the refs he gets rattled and frantic and spazzes out more that usual. He over-jukes and he puts the ball at worse risk even though he's trying to counter the risk that the physical defender is placing on him directly. More strength would also presumptively improve his ability to just go with a strong initial move rather than thinking he needs to fake his way to wide open space.

It's weird because there was some talk his rookie year of him added weight to get ready for the league, but when I looked at his body as a rookie he looked ... thin but soft. Obviously not a fat guy, but i would have to imagine his muscle tissue to be surprisingly well "marbled.: Anyway he didn't carry much muscle and still doesn't I think its a major vulnerability for a guy who doesn't have a handle that can keep up with his quickness. He can afford to give up a little of his quickness in exchange for the stability and ability to push through some contact, especially since he outruns his dribble anyway.

I don't think he's an NBA lead guard on a contending team without a major improvement in his body, but he has a lot of the lead guard skillset. He is already somewhere between a starter on a bad team, and a backup on a good team, but meaningfully more skilled offensively than a lot of the defenses he would face if he played solely as a backup.

All that makes him probably delectable trade bait with even marginal improvement during the playoffs. He should he able to help us bring back a better player if combined with a pick and we don't need anymore picks until Steph retires unless we win a lottery.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

You know what you call a player who takes a do-over every time they try something that doesn't work?Jordan Poole

I'm curious what you think about Poole's future. I have no idea what to think. Whatever I think seems to be guaranteed to be wrong next season when it comes to Poole.

I think if he adds physical strength he has the ability to take another meaningful leap forward, including on defense. I think that most of his problems including his decision making are heavily impacted by how he reacts to physical pressure. He's not "afraid" because he takes the hits constantly, but when he feels he's getting fouled or bullied without protection from the refs he gets rattled and frantic and spazzes out more that usual. He over-jukes and he puts the ball at worse risk even though he's trying to counter the risk that the physical defender is placing on him directly. More strength would also presumptively improve his ability to just go with a strong initial move rather than thinking he needs to fake his way to wide open space.

It's weird because there was some talk his rookie year of him added weight to get ready for the league, but when I looked at his body as a rookie he looked ... thin but soft. Obviously not a fat guy, but i would have to imagine his muscle tissue to be surprisingly well "marbled.: Anyway he didn't carry much muscle and still doesn't I think its a major vulnerability for a guy who doesn't have a handle that can keep up with his quickness. He can afford to give up a little of his quickness in exchange for the stability and ability to push through some contact, especially since he outruns his dribble anyway.

I don't think he's an NBA lead guard on a contending team without a major improvement in his body, but he has a lot of the lead guard skillset. He is already somewhere between a starter on a bad team, and a backup on a good team, but meaningfully more skilled offensively than a lot of the defenses he would face if he played solely as a backup.

All that makes him probably delectable trade bait with even marginal improvement during the playoffs. He should he able to help us bring back a better player if combined with a pick and we don't need anymore picks until Steph retires unless we win a lottery.

If we pretend he is older to remove potential from our thinking then I think he is between 15th man and G-league.
Perhaps what Lamb and Jerome war before they were demoted to G-League.

Lamb and Jerome both failed at being NBA players, went to G-league and now they are both better than Moody.

Edit.
Ty Jerome did not go to G-Leage. He got traded to the Rockets in a multi player trade and cut by the lowly Rockets who never wanted him.and it was looking like he would have to salvage his career in G-league but then the Warriors signed him.

Lamb was not drafted. Lamb used G-league to get to the NBA. His last stop was also the Rockets and the lowly Rockets also cut him.

[EvanZ]

Jerome and Lamb are basically the same players they were in college. They thrive in Kerr's system because they are very smart and do things that this team needs (or at least that Kerr thinks it needs). They didn't get vastly better simply by playing in the GL. And it is unlikely they will be rotation players let alone starters on other NBA teams.