D'Angelo Russell was openly complaining about Gobert

[cupcakesnake]

Wolves fans said DLo actually tried on defense last year, and had some success in their scheme. the coaching staff ran a defensive scheme that played to DLos strengths/weaknesses. And it shows up in the data. It's his only good (not great) RAPM year. In BKN he was average. Every other year he has been horrible.

This is why I don't think he's just trying to be good in a contract year. He was better last season from what I saw.

Sure he probably works more because of the money, like every player. But I would prefer the player last season, so if he drops back to that then great.

I was never a fan of D'Lo, but when he arrived in Minny I tried to keep an open mind and also reviewed some tape on him. I came away with he impression that people had been too negative on him. Sure he doesn't pressure the rim much and his defense isn't good, but the rest of the offensive game is strong. Here's a guy who can be a shooting threat on and off the ball, who's aggressive off the bounce, has some movement shooting, and can sprinkle in some really solid passing ability.

The experience ended up being pretty up and down. Everything I thought about him was true, but his decision making is super erratic. He can be your hero some nights, and other nights he had an almost Westbrookian random mode in terms of throwing the ball away or pulling up at the worst time to pull up. We unfortunately got the dark side of D'Lo in the playoffs last year and most fans turned on him.

After the Gobert trade, I bought some more stock. I pictured him throwing lob passes to Gobert and being a crucial connector between the guards and the bigs. Even thought Ant and KAT were our big offensive talents, I kind of thought D'Lo was going to be the most important part of making it all work. BOYYYyyy did he disappoint on that expectation. While he salvaged his year with some hot shooting (filling the scoring void left by KAT quite nicely), he really failed as a point guard. He couldn't throw a lob pass to save his life, and rarely looked to do so. His chemistry with Gobert really jumped off the page with how bad it was. We ended up relying on KAT to throw entry passes early on, and when he got injured, the offense had to give up on Rudy until Slo Mo got promoted to being our main decision-maker on offense.

I think him being next to Lebron makes better use of his talents. He's a diverse perimeter scorer. Not a diverse playmaker.

[zimpy27]

Wolves fans said DLo actually tried on defense last year, and had some success in their scheme. the coaching staff ran a defensive scheme that played to DLos strengths/weaknesses. And it shows up in the data. It's his only good (not great) RAPM year. In BKN he was average. Every other year he has been horrible.

This is why I don't think he's just trying to be good in a contract year. He was better last season from what I saw.

Sure he probably works more because of the money, like every player. But I would prefer the player last season, so if he drops back to that then great.

I was never a fan of D'Lo, but when he arrived in Minny I tried to keep an open mind and also reviewed some tape on him. I came away with he impression that people had been too negative on him. Sure he doesn't pressure the rim much and his defense isn't good, but the rest of the offensive game is strong. Here's a guy who can be a shooting threat on and off the ball, who's aggressive off the bounce, has some movement shooting, and can sprinkle in some really solid passing ability.

The experience ended up being pretty up and down. Everything I thought about him was true, but his decision making is super erratic. He can be your hero some nights, and other nights he had an almost Westbrookian random mode in terms of throwing the ball away or pulling up at the worst time to pull up. We unfortunately got the dark side of D'Lo in the playoffs last year and most fans turned on him.

After the Gobert trade, I bought some more stock. I pictured him throwing lob passes to Gobert and being a crucial connector between the guards and the bigs. Even thought Ant and KAT were our big offensive talents, I kind of thought D'Lo was going to be the most important part of making it all work. BOYYYyyy did he disappoint on that expectation. While he salvaged his year with some hot shooting (filling the scoring void left by KAT quite nicely), he really failed as a point guard. He couldn't throw a lob pass to save his life, and rarely looked to do so. His chemistry with Gobert really jumped off the page with how bad it was. We ended up relying on KAT to throw entry passes early on, and when he got injured, the offense had to give up on Rudy until Slo Mo got promoted to being our main decision-maker on offense.

I think him being next to Lebron makes better use of his talents. He's a diverse perimeter scorer. Not a diverse playmaker.

DLo would have worked on Minny if Ant didn't exist. DLo should be used as an SG or offball scorer. I think that's been the book on him for a long time. He's a shooting guard with above average playmaking ability.

He's a rhythm player, he's not a running sets type player. I think a difficult player to build with but could fit with LeBron as an ancillary scorer (like Kyrie).

Westbrook is a bit different, his whole impact is about speed, which completely comes undone when the pace slows (like in the playoffs or at the end of games). LeBron loves a slow pace, so I'm hoping DLo can fit with that better.

[zimpy27]

Probably should clarify that I put DLo at $100m/4 in terms of value. I could definitely see Pelinka giving out an overpay. Just hoping it's more $110-120/4 and not $130-140/4

[dockingsched]

Holy f are there some insecure fans (or one) about D’Lo possibly having some success

[GopherIt!]

His name is DNo.

[Revived]

Here’s a little more worrisome information.

Russell has been eligible for an extension for the last 1.5 years, but the Timberwolves weren’t interested.

Well there ya go, I’ve heard enough! The Timberwolves are a basketball team that’s known for making excellent front office decisions and if a team like that wasn’t interested in giving him an extension, then clearly Russell must suck as a player.

[Revived]

2017-19 DLo with Nets: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo

Yeah he sure was unmotivated and not caring when being an All Star with the Nets. This is some brilliant logic there, keep it going!

He was a fake all star. I had never really seen much of DLo when the KD trade went down, so I watched a bunch of footage of him on the Nets in his "all star" year. So I knew before he even arrived in GS that he was bad.

I'm so glad that he got flipped for Wiggins/Kuminga.

Idk man, contrary to just highlight footage you watched of him, actual Nets fans that watched him in full games for years seem to say he was pretty good with them and they liked him there like the fella below.

Riiight because players can never change just like people never change…

2015-17 DLo with Lakers: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo
2017-19 DLo with Nets: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo
2019-20 DLo with Warriors: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo
2020-23 DLo with Wolves: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo

2023 DLo with Lakers: “Wow! What a motivated guy so far, in his contract year! Looks like he changed! Give that man his money!”

Bunch of crap and lies in your post

Dlo was actually pretty motivated and solid in Brooklyn

I can assure you that he is way more liked in Brooklyn than almighty Durant Harden and Kyrie

[NZB2323]

Here’s a little more worrisome information.

Russell has been eligible for an extension for the last 1.5 years, but the Timberwolves weren’t interested.

Well there ya go, I’ve heard enough! The Timberwolves are a basketball team that’s known for making excellent front office decisions and if a team like that wasn’t interested in giving him an extension, then clearly Russell must suck as a player.

What about the Warriors?

[floppymoose]

Yeah he sure was unmotivated and not caring when being an All Star with the Nets. This is some brilliant logic there, keep it going!

He was a fake all star. I had never really seen much of DLo when the KD trade went down, so I watched a bunch of footage of him on the Nets in his "all star" year. So I knew before he even arrived in GS that he was bad.

I'm so glad that he got flipped for Wiggins/Kuminga.

Idk man, contrary to just highlight footage you watched of him, actual Nets fans that watched him in full games for years seem to say he was pretty good with them and they liked him there like the fella below.

All i can say was he looked like a no D chucker on a hot streak when i checked out the BKN footage, and then that was exactly what he was in GS. Minus the hot streak.

[ConSarnit]

Riiight because players can never change just like people never change…

2015-17 DLo with Lakers: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo
2017-19 DLo with Nets: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo
2019-20 DLo with Warriors: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo
2020-23 DLo with Wolves: Unmotivated and didn’t care. Blame the organization, not DLo

2023 DLo with Lakers: “Wow! What a motivated guy so far, in his contract year! Looks like he changed! Give that man his money!”

Bunch of crap and lies in your post

Dlo was actually pretty motivated and solid in Brooklyn

I can assure you that he is way more liked in Brooklyn than almighty Durant Harden and Kyrie

That’s like saying Speer is the most liked Nazi in Germany. Not exactly a high bar.

[dhsilv2]

This is why I don't think he's just trying to be good in a contract year. He was better last season from what I saw.

Sure he probably works more because of the money, like every player. But I would prefer the player last season, so if he drops back to that then great.

I was never a fan of D'Lo, but when he arrived in Minny I tried to keep an open mind and also reviewed some tape on him. I came away with he impression that people had been too negative on him. Sure he doesn't pressure the rim much and his defense isn't good, but the rest of the offensive game is strong. Here's a guy who can be a shooting threat on and off the ball, who's aggressive off the bounce, has some movement shooting, and can sprinkle in some really solid passing ability.

The experience ended up being pretty up and down. Everything I thought about him was true, but his decision making is super erratic. He can be your hero some nights, and other nights he had an almost Westbrookian random mode in terms of throwing the ball away or pulling up at the worst time to pull up. We unfortunately got the dark side of D'Lo in the playoffs last year and most fans turned on him.

After the Gobert trade, I bought some more stock. I pictured him throwing lob passes to Gobert and being a crucial connector between the guards and the bigs. Even thought Ant and KAT were our big offensive talents, I kind of thought D'Lo was going to be the most important part of making it all work. BOYYYyyy did he disappoint on that expectation. While he salvaged his year with some hot shooting (filling the scoring void left by KAT quite nicely), he really failed as a point guard. He couldn't throw a lob pass to save his life, and rarely looked to do so. His chemistry with Gobert really jumped off the page with how bad it was. We ended up relying on KAT to throw entry passes early on, and when he got injured, the offense had to give up on Rudy until Slo Mo got promoted to being our main decision-maker on offense.

I think him being next to Lebron makes better use of his talents. He's a diverse perimeter scorer. Not a diverse playmaker.

DLo would have worked on Minny if Ant didn't exist. DLo should be used as an SG or offball scorer. I think that's been the book on him for a long time. He's a shooting guard with above average playmaking ability.

He's a rhythm player, he's not a running sets type player. I think a difficult player to build with but could fit with LeBron as an ancillary scorer (like Kyrie).

Westbrook is a bit different, his whole impact is about speed, which completely comes undone when the pace slows (like in the playoffs or at the end of games). LeBron loves a slow pace, so I'm hoping DLo can fit with that better.

This is ultimately why he doesn't work. He's just not good enough to be THAT player on most teams. There are just too many better scoring threat guards who aren't under sized and who can be more of a threat at the rim and/or as defenders pressuring a ball handler or rotating over by covering more space. He's kinda the modern day "tweener" from the the past, just in an evolved version.

[E-Balla]

I was never a fan of D'Lo, but when he arrived in Minny I tried to keep an open mind and also reviewed some tape on him. I came away with he impression that people had been too negative on him. Sure he doesn't pressure the rim much and his defense isn't good, but the rest of the offensive game is strong. Here's a guy who can be a shooting threat on and off the ball, who's aggressive off the bounce, has some movement shooting, and can sprinkle in some really solid passing ability.

The experience ended up being pretty up and down. Everything I thought about him was true, but his decision making is super erratic. He can be your hero some nights, and other nights he had an almost Westbrookian random mode in terms of throwing the ball away or pulling up at the worst time to pull up. We unfortunately got the dark side of D'Lo in the playoffs last year and most fans turned on him.

After the Gobert trade, I bought some more stock. I pictured him throwing lob passes to Gobert and being a crucial connector between the guards and the bigs. Even thought Ant and KAT were our big offensive talents, I kind of thought D'Lo was going to be the most important part of making it all work. BOYYYyyy did he disappoint on that expectation. While he salvaged his year with some hot shooting (filling the scoring void left by KAT quite nicely), he really failed as a point guard. He couldn't throw a lob pass to save his life, and rarely looked to do so. His chemistry with Gobert really jumped off the page with how bad it was. We ended up relying on KAT to throw entry passes early on, and when he got injured, the offense had to give up on Rudy until Slo Mo got promoted to being our main decision-maker on offense.

I think him being next to Lebron makes better use of his talents. He's a diverse perimeter scorer. Not a diverse playmaker.

DLo would have worked on Minny if Ant didn't exist. DLo should be used as an SG or offball scorer. I think that's been the book on him for a long time. He's a shooting guard with above average playmaking ability.

He's a rhythm player, he's not a running sets type player. I think a difficult player to build with but could fit with LeBron as an ancillary scorer (like Kyrie).

Westbrook is a bit different, his whole impact is about speed, which completely comes undone when the pace slows (like in the playoffs or at the end of games). LeBron loves a slow pace, so I'm hoping DLo can fit with that better.

This is ultimately why he doesn't work. He's just not good enough to be THAT player on most teams. There are just too many better scoring threat guards who aren't under sized and who can be more of a threat at the rim and/or as defenders pressuring a ball handler or rotating over by covering more space. He's kinda the modern day "tweener" from the the past, just in an evolved version.

He's 6'5 with a 6'9 wingspan but "undersized". DLo is one of the players that has the most irrational haters. Like I truly don't get it.

[dhsilv2]

DLo would have worked on Minny if Ant didn't exist. DLo should be used as an SG or offball scorer. I think that's been the book on him for a long time. He's a shooting guard with above average playmaking ability.

He's a rhythm player, he's not a running sets type player. I think a difficult player to build with but could fit with LeBron as an ancillary scorer (like Kyrie).

Westbrook is a bit different, his whole impact is about speed, which completely comes undone when the pace slows (like in the playoffs or at the end of games). LeBron loves a slow pace, so I'm hoping DLo can fit with that better.

This is ultimately why he doesn't work. He's just not good enough to be THAT player on most teams. There are just too many better scoring threat guards who aren't under sized and who can be more of a threat at the rim and/or as defenders pressuring a ball handler or rotating over by covering more space. He's kinda the modern day "tweener" from the the past, just in an evolved version.

He's 6'5 with a 6'9 wingspan but "undersized". DLo is one of the players that has the most irrational haters. Like I truly don't get it.

6'3 and a quarter was his non shoe height at the combine. He plays smaller and weaker. As others have mentioned he doesn't attack the rim well and he's been a below average defender. I have no hate for that guy, I'd love to see him be successful (anywhere but the lakers of course). It doesn't change that he's a good player who's skillset is that of a shoot first scorer and he's a hair below where he needs to be for that role on a contender.

[ConSarnit]

Imagine watching his Nets footage and thinking he's bad

Are you doubling down on DLo? I got to watch a year of him at GSW too. Where he was...

...bad.

23.6 ppg, 37% from 3. How is that bad? And that too with Kerr not letting him run PnRs? And with that god awful roster?

Damn that Kerr!

DLo pnr ball hander possessions per game, past 4 years:

2018-19: 11.4
2019-20: 10.3/11.0
2020-21: 7.7
2021-22: 6.6

(For some added context, getting 10+ pnr possessions per game would put you in the top 10 every year)

Just to refresh my memory, which year did Russell play for GSW?

[KevinMcreynolds]

He was a fake all star. I had never really seen much of DLo when the KD trade went down, so I watched a bunch of footage of him on the Nets in his "all star" year. So I knew before he even arrived in GS that he was bad.

I'm so glad that he got flipped for Wiggins/Kuminga.

Idk man, contrary to just highlight footage you watched of him, actual Nets fans that watched him in full games for years seem to say he was pretty good with them and they liked him there like the fella below.

All i can say was he looked like a no D chucker on a hot streak when i checked out the BKN footage, and then that was exactly what he was in GS. Minus the hot streak.

did you scoop up this beauty, flop?

[floppymoose]

Lol.
The defense bars on that shirt are the issue. Especially when you realize that rebounding is part of defense.

[Edrees]

Lol.
The defense bars on that shirt are the issue. Especially when you realize that rebounding is part of defense.

Those bars are measured to every player. So of course a player who is a guard will have lower defense and rebounds than a center or forward. I would say a guard couldn't even get past the mid point of the bar when you factor that many bigs average 7-10 rebounds a game.

[E-Balla]

This is ultimately why he doesn't work. He's just not good enough to be THAT player on most teams. There are just too many better scoring threat guards who aren't under sized and who can be more of a threat at the rim and/or as defenders pressuring a ball handler or rotating over by covering more space. He's kinda the modern day "tweener" from the the past, just in an evolved version.

He's 6'5 with a 6'9 wingspan but "undersized". DLo is one of the players that has the most irrational haters. Like I truly don't get it.

6'3 and a quarter was his non shoe height at the combine. He plays smaller and weaker. As others have mentioned he doesn't attack the rim well and he's been a below average defender. I have no hate for that guy, I'd love to see him be successful (anywhere but the lakers of course). It doesn't change that he's a good player who's skillset is that of a shoot first scorer and he's a hair below where he needs to be for that role on a contender.

6'3 and a quarter is big for a PG and he has a long wingspan. He can't get to the rim well but he's a good finisher once he's there (70% in the last 4 seasons which is one of the highest restricted area FG% amongst PGs), and he uses his body well when pinning people in the midrange for his pull up jumper (he's 49% in the midrange this year). Defensively he's not a great man to man defender but he's an above average defender at this point in his career. He was basically a middle linebacker for Minny last year.

This is what I mean by irrational hate, you're not describing him as a player in this post, you're describing what you assume he is. Remove his half year in Golden State on a terrible team and he's been an above average starting PG for years now. He just needs to keep it together in the playoffs now.

[floppymoose]

Lol.
The defense bars on that shirt are the issue. Especially when you realize that rebounding is part of defense.

Those bars are measured to every player. So of course a player who is a guard will have lower defense and rebounds than a center or forward. I would say a guard couldn't even get past the mid point of the bar when you factor that many bigs average 7-10 rebounds a game.

You are misunderstanding me. The problem with the defense bars in the pic are that Curry and DLo are shown as even remotely similar. They are not. There is a huge difference defensively.

[Edrees]

Lol.
The defense bars on that shirt are the issue. Especially when you realize that rebounding is part of defense.

Those bars are measured to every player. So of course a player who is a guard will have lower defense and rebounds than a center or forward. I would say a guard couldn't even get past the mid point of the bar when you factor that many bigs average 7-10 rebounds a game.

You are misunderstanding me. The problem with the defense bars in the pic are that Curry and DLo are shown as even remotely similar. They are not. There is a huge difference defensively.

OH yeah, I did misunderstand. That I agree with