2023 Offseason

CrimsonCrew · Post #101 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:46 pm

Samurai wrote:
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I think he’s better than Purdy. Definitely better than Johnson.

Krueger is suggesting that the signing of Darnold means Trey Lance could be traded. I don’t quite believe that. York would be livid - we gave up the farm to acquire Lance. We can’t quit on that investment so soon:

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Lance hasn't proven anything in the NFL (or even college) and is coming off an injury. His trade value right now is at its lowest level. Trading him when he is at his lowest trade value makes absolutely no sense.

It's an interesting assertion. Dude went undefeated and led his team to a national championship, granted at a lower level of competition. You can certainly argue he didn't prove in college that he can hack it at the NFL. But didn't prove anything? He was a really good college player on a really good college team. Certainly that is proving SOMETHING.

Samurai · Post #102 » by **Samurai** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:22 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:

Lance hasn't proven anything in the NFL (or even college) and is coming off an injury. His trade value right now is at its lowest level. Trading him when he is at his lowest trade value makes absolutely no sense.[/quote]

It's an interesting assertion. Dude went undefeated and led his team to a national championship, granted at a lower level of competition. You can certainly argue he didn't prove in college that he can hack it at the NFL. But didn't prove anything? He was a really good college player on a really good college team. Certainly that is proving SOMETHING.[/quote]
We are talking very small sample size. Lance's entire college CAREER consisted of 318 pass attempts, or less than any one season of Trevor Lawrence's three college seasons.

wco81 · Post #103 » by **wco81** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:59 pm

I don't expect Darnold to turn around his career or anything like that in his one year with the 49ers but he's got to look at what Purdy did and think with all these weapons, he should be able to do at least if not a lot better, since he has a much higher ceiling.

I would have seen the 49ers take a flier on him when the Jets were out on him but Carolina was willing to give the Jets more assets than the 49ers.

But he was only drafted in 2018!

So is this his first contract past his rookie deal?

arich35 · Post #104 » by **arich35** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:04 pm

Brendel is coming back on a 4 year deal according to reports, no money details yet.
I guess he was solid last year and didn't have that many issues from center. Now we just need to replace the RT position

CrimsonCrew · Post #105 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:06 pm

Samurai wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:

Lance hasn't proven anything in the NFL (or even college) and is coming off an injury. His trade value right now is at its lowest level. Trading him when he is at his lowest trade value makes absolutely no sense.

It's an interesting assertion. Dude went undefeated and led his team to a national championship, granted at a lower level of competition. You can certainly argue he didn't prove in college that he can hack it at the NFL. But didn't prove anything? He was a really good college player on a really good college team. Certainly that is proving SOMETHING.[/quote]
We are talking very small sample size. Lance's entire college CAREER consisted of 318 pass attempts, or less than any one season of Trevor Lawrence's three college seasons.[/quote]

Sure, but it's not nothing. He had a good college career on a run-heavy team in a lower division.

As I've said many times, I wasn't all that impressed with Lance in college. He never threw much (only one game with 30+ passes), and in his one full season, he threw less as the season went on and they were playing tougher opponents. He had ten passes in their first post-season game - though he ran 30 times for 166 yards and a TD. He had chronic accuracy issues that got worse instead of better, including a four-game span to end the season with a completion percentage under 63% during which he only threw two TDs.

Plenty of reasons to still wonder if Lance has it. But his college career was fine, and he bolstered it with a strong draft process. It's not like the pick was entirely absurd. But now's the time. He's got to show that he can do it, and for a sustained period, if he wants a career with the Niners.

CrimsonCrew · Post #106 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:08 pm

arich35 wrote:Brendel is coming back on a 4 year deal according to reports, no money details yet.
I guess he was solid last year and didn't have that many issues from center. Now we just need to replace the RT position

We'll have to see the money involved. It's a longer deal than I would have expected for a guy who, despite limited playing time, is already 30. But it solidifies the OL, which is important, and it seemed like he was improving as the season went on, despite struggling somewhat in the NFC Championship game (to be fair, against an excellent DL).

Hopefully it's a contract we can get out of easily enough in a year or two if Zakelj or Poe shows growth.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #107 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:27 pm

Javon Hargrave is a definite upgrade on Javon Kinlaw and TY McGill. :smile:

Probably the best DT on the FA market, complete player that can defend the run and rush the passer. Kinlaw's 5th year option most certainly will be declined for next season.

Darnold gets $4.5M to be a backup with extra incentives. So much uncertainty with Purdy, it's possible they slow roll it with him and he's not active for the first 4 weeks, at least. No, I don't see them trading Lance because of this signing. He's going to get his shot at this IMO.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #108 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:29 pm

Brendel got 4 for 20, 8M gtd. Probably more like 2 for 8.

Not bad at all.

CrimsonCrew · Post #109 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:47 pm

GS Warriors 1 wrote:Brendel got 4 for 20, 8M gtd. Probably more like 2 for 8.

Not bad at all.

Reasonable for a starting OC who played pretty well. I'm fine with that. RT and K are probably the two biggest question marks on the roster at this point. Arguably nickel corner, too. DE is a need, but we will probably see Armstead get some time on the edge in base downs. We're in pretty good shape going into the draft, and need to focus on adding guys we can groom to step in as inexpensive starters in a couple years, when all these contracts start really coming due.

arich35 · Post #110 » by **arich35** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:53 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
GS Warriors 1 wrote:Brendel got 4 for 20, 8M gtd. Probably more like 2 for 8.

Not bad at all.

Reasonable for a starting OC who played pretty well. I'm fine with that. RT and K are probably the two biggest question marks on the roster at this point. Arguably nickel corner, too. DE is a need, but we will probably see Armstead get some time on the edge in base downs. We're in pretty good shape going into the draft, and need to focus on adding guys we can groom to step in as inexpensive starters in a couple years, when all these contracts start really coming due.

I think Kyle is going to really bank on 2nd year guys stepping up again. Womack at NB and possibly some of the young OL guys we still have

CrimsonCrew · Post #111 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:00 pm

Not Niners news, but the Jets and Aaron Rodgers thing is weird. No surprise, given Rodgers is involved. Rodgers is trying to get them to add a bunch of his former teammates, especially at receiver. They're after Lazard, possibly Cobb, Marcedes Lewis, and now word is he wants them to look into OBJ. I get adding one or two of those guys, but where's the limit?

The Jets already have a good receiving corps. Garrett Wilson had a great rookie year and is poised to be a legit #1. Corey Davis is a good #2. Elijah Moore has real potential as a slot receiver and is an excellent #3. You would expect all three guys to be even better with improved QB play. Denzel Mims came into the league three years ago with elite athletic scores (really poor short shuttle, but excellent in all other areas including the three-cone, which suggests he has plenty of quickness) and still has plenty of upside. Realistically, it would be tough to add three receivers to that group, especially if none are impact players on STs (Lazard may play gunner?), especially if they're older guys who only have a couple years left.

Anyway, just another reason I'm glad we were not in on Rodgers. Dude just causes problems.

CrimsonCrew · Post #112 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:01 pm

Moseley signed with the Lions. Damn. I had hoped he'd be back with the Niners on the cheap. If he had stayed healthy, I think we would have been the favorites - certainly in the NFC. Lenoir actually really stepped up late in the season after a couple shaky games, but having him as our third CB would have been that much better.

arich35 · Post #113 » by **arich35** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:05 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Moseley signed with the Lions. Damn. I had hoped he'd be back with the Niners on the cheap. If he had stayed healthy, I think we would have been the favorites - certainly in the NFC. Lenoir actually really stepped up late in the season after a couple shaky games, but having him as our third CB would have been that much better.

That sucks, I was hoping we would bring him back as well. Feel like we will sign a vet for 5M or under to compete with Lenoir and draft a CB in the 3rd.

RIPskaterdude · Post #114 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:13 pm

arich35 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:Moseley signed with the Lions. Damn. I had hoped he'd be back with the Niners on the cheap. If he had stayed healthy, I think we would have been the favorites - certainly in the NFC. Lenoir actually really stepped up late in the season after a couple shaky games, but having him as our third CB would have been that much better.

That sucks, I was hoping we would bring him back as well. Feel like we will sign a vet for 5M or under to compete with Lenoir and draft a CB in the 3rd.

He only signed for 1 year 6M. Shocked they didn't match considering how important he was for the defense

Samurai · Post #115 » by **Samurai** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:14 pm

Glad we were able to re-sign Brendel. RT is still a question mark, but having one question mark is much better than having two.

But I was really hoping we would be able to re-sign Moseley, particularly since Lynch indicated that he would be a priority. Great that Lenoir was able to take a step up this season, but I was hoping that he could be a really solid nickel corner instead of starting on the outside. Given our tight cap space, I'm guessing that the hope is that Samuel Womack can make the same jump in his second season that Lenoir made and not the regression that Ambry Thomas displayed.

49er4life1979 · Post #116 » by **49er4life1979** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:50 pm

arich35 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:Moseley signed with the Lions. Damn. I had hoped he'd be back with the Niners on the cheap. If he had stayed healthy, I think we would have been the favorites - certainly in the NFC. Lenoir actually really stepped up late in the season after a couple shaky games, but having him as our third CB would have been that much better.

That sucks, I was hoping we would bring him back as well. Feel like we will sign a vet for 5M or under to compete with Lenoir and draft a CB in the 3rd.

We also need to see who the other DE is opposite Bosa. RT should be McKivitz.

Pattersonca65 · Post #117 » by **Pattersonca65** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:52 pm

Samurai wrote:Glad we were able to re-sign Brendel. RT is still a question mark, but having one question mark is much better than having two.

But I was really hoping we would be able to re-sign Moseley, particularly since Lynch indicated that he would be a priority. Great that Lenoir was able to take a step up this season, but I was hoping that he could be a really solid nickel corner instead of starting on the outside. Given our tight cap space, I'm guessing that the hope is that Samuel Womack can make the same jump in his second season that Lenoir made and not the regression that Ambry Thomas displayed.

Drafting a CB is a must this year.

CrimsonCrew · Post #118 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:05 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
Samurai wrote:Glad we were able to re-sign Brendel. RT is still a question mark, but having one question mark is much better than having two.

But I was really hoping we would be able to re-sign Moseley, particularly since Lynch indicated that he would be a priority. Great that Lenoir was able to take a step up this season, but I was hoping that he could be a really solid nickel corner instead of starting on the outside. Given our tight cap space, I'm guessing that the hope is that Samuel Womack can make the same jump in his second season that Lenoir made and not the regression that Ambry Thomas displayed.

Drafting a CB is a must this year.

Is there any hope remaining for Thomas? Or has that ship basically sailed? Regardless, they need more bodies at the position.

RIPskaterdude · Post #119 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:17 am

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Samurai · Post #120 » by **Samurai** » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:15 am

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Was really hoping Brunskill would come back; excellent insurance policy since he can play every O-line position. Just looking at our current roster, it would seem that Nick Zakelj could be our next Brunskill. While he only played T (both left and right) in college, the Niners felt he could play on the interior when they drafted him. They thought so highly of his intelligence (his college coach compared him to Kyle Jusczcyk for his football IQ) that they felt he could even learn to play C. If he proves that he has taken that step forward after his rookie season, he could battle McKivitz for the RT job and let Poe be our back-up guard/fullback/blocking TE. But without Brunskill, it becomes more imperative that the team drafts a legit center in case Brendel gets injured. Our OL continues to be a potential Achilles Heel for the team.