Scoot Henderson

[EvanZ]

1) There's been plenty of them who did work out. John Wall, Derrick Rose, D'Aaron Fox, Ja Morant, Russell Westbrook, Kemba Walker, etc. Seems like the hit rate is VERY high when these types of guys go in the top 10. How many athletic PG's who were consensus top 3 picks didn't work out in the past decade?

Well since I already stated there has been 1 pg under 6-4 drafted in the top 4 over the last decade. Ja Morant. The answer would be zero.

But the problem is the NBA tends to sniff these guys out before they are drafted and majority of them fall outside the top 3 by draft night.

Austin Rivers was once a star highschool prospect and the #1 player in the country. If he had went the gleague route back then and played 20 games vs grown men and people wrote off his bad shooting % as being 18 vs tough competition he probably would of went higher.

but lets just look at small guards who went top 10 that really didn't work out.
Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, Dennis Smith Jr, Collin Sexton, Killian Hayes, Suggs

These guys all had hype at different points to go higher than where they ended up going, but then went lower than expected in most cases ala what I think happens to Scoot.

Trae and Garland should have been top 4 clearly. But 5 is close enough to your arbitrary cutoff. Kyrie was the top pick in 2012 also a year before your arbitrary time frame.


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[reanimator]

Did BigJ just create a new account to cosign himself?

[clyde21]

but lets just look at small guards who went top 10 that really didn't work out.
Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, Dennis Smith Jr, Collin Sexton, Killian Hayes, Suggs

love how you're including Suggs on there already just to puff your argument (also, in what world is Suggs, a 6-5 215 lber considered a small guard?)

but hey, let's play this game with wings?

Josh Jackson
Isaac Okoro
Patrick Williams
Obi Toppin
Deni Avdija
Jarrett Culver
Rui Hachimura
Cam Reddish
Kevin Knox
Thon Maker
Stanley Johnson
Mario Hezonja

that's going back to only 2015, and I spared you Ziaire Williams and Jonathan Kuminga even tho you for some reason used Jalen Suggs in your sample size.

tell us how the hit rate on guards is worse?

[clyde21]

I think at this point you need to clearly define what a 'small guard' is...because you're probably the only on the planet who called Mudiay and Suggs, who are both 6-5 200+ lbers, 'small guards'

[Big J]

Thon Maker is 7' 221 lbs. This is the first time in my life I've heard anyone describe him as a wing.

[clyde21]

Thon Maker is 7' 221 lbs. This is the first time in my life I've heard anyone describe him as a wing.

np big dawg, you can remove him from the sample size.

[Big J]

Thon Maker is 7' 221 lbs. This is the first time in my life I've heard anyone describe him as a wing.

np big dawg, you can remove him from the sample size.

Ok buddy, you're the one inflating the numbers but go on with your stupid ass laughing emojis.

[clyde21]

Did BigJ just create a new account to cosign himself?

[clyde21]

Thon Maker is 7' 221 lbs. This is the first time in my life I've heard anyone describe him as a wing.

np big dawg, you can remove him from the sample size.

Ok buddy, you're the one inflating the numbers but go on with your stupid ass laughing emojis.

KEK - if I wanted to inflate the numbers I would've put Justise Winslow instead of Thon Maker, or put a 2021 player in Ziaire or Kuminga like he did with Suggs, or pretend Lonzo Ball is a wing like he pretended Emmanual Mudiay is a 'small guard'.

[Big J]

I get where he was going with Suggs because they have similar games.

[Duke4life831]

Man if I never have heard of Scoot and just read the last couple pages I would be thinking we were talking about a guy that maybe shouldn’t even be drafted.

Small PG who has weight concerns because he’s built like Zion. And he isnt aggressive enough because he doesn’t attack the rim and he settles for pull up jumpers and he’s a bad shooter. While also not caring about winning. He also will struggle to pass the NBA drug tests because he’s an obvious PED user.

I guess this guy might be worth taking a flyer on in the 2nd round…

[EvanZ]

I think most people are just debating whether it's him or BM at #2. Seems like a reasonable topic.

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But many of the people who have him #3 are describing him in a way that doesn't even warrant a lotto pick. Its a bit unclear what they see to still keep him so high.

[clyde21]

I think most people are just debating whether it's him or BM at #2. Seems like a reasonable topic.

that's not what's happening tho - no one would give a crap if someone says, "Scoot's a great prospect but because of Miller's production and archetype I'll take him ahead".

what's actually happening: "Scoot's overrated physically, can't finish at the rim, can't shoot, can't play defense, is a "small guard" who's apparently on PEDs and won't stay healthy, and plays against bad competition"

these are two different arguments being made. one is a legitimate take (even tho I disagree with it) the other is pure fud from people who've clearly never watched him play or know what they are talking about.

if you think Scoot's all these things, you can't reconcile him even being a lotto pick let alone a top 3 pick.

[Big J]

So we're just supposed to overlook guys weaknesses unless they are non lotto picks? Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA isn't a participation trophy league. As far as Miller vs Scoot it's practically a done deal at this point that Miller has overtaken him for the 2 spot. Every mock I see has him there now.

[Duke4life831]

So we're just supposed to overlook guys weaknesses unless they are non lotto picks? Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA isn't a participation trophy league.

Just saying but this was you like two weeks ago

Because he's just a kid. We don't need to be tearing him down. Let him have his shine.

And no one is saying Scoot is above critique. What some of us are saying is if you were to just read the last couple pages, y’all aren’t describing critiques of a top 5 pick. Y’all are describing players that shouldn’t even be taken in 1st round.

[Big J]

So we're just supposed to overlook guys weaknesses unless they are non lotto picks? Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA isn't a participation trophy league.

Just saying but this was you like two weeks ago

Because he's just a kid. We don't need to be tearing him down. Let him have his shine.

And no one is saying Scoot is above critique. What some of us are saying is if you were to just read the last couple pages, y’all aren’t describing critiques of a top 5 pick. Y’all are describing players that shouldn’t even be taken in 1st round.

Well, look at a guy like Westbrook. He had major holes in his game, but teams would still take him in the lotto because of his talent. If someone listed his weaknesses you might think that he shouldn't be drafted in the first round either.

[Hal14]

So we're just supposed to overlook guys weaknesses unless they are non lotto picks? Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA isn't a participation trophy league.

No. You're supposed to discuss the prospects more intelligently. If you're talking about a guy who's a consensus top 3 pick by literally everyone, it's ridiculous to talk about him like he's a guy who isn't even draftable in the 2nd round.

As far as Miller vs Scoot it's practically a done deal at this point that Miller has overtaken him for the 2 spot. Every mock I see has him there now.

Yeah? Guess you missed this one.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2023-nba-mock-draft-v5

And this:

Read on Twitter

And even if Woj says Miller is going no. 2, so what? Woj reported the morning of the draft last year that Jabari was going #1 to Orlando. Look how that turned out

[Big J]

So we're just supposed to overlook guys weaknesses unless they are non lotto picks? Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA isn't a participation trophy league.

No. You're supposed to discuss the prospects more intelligently. If you're talking about a guy who's a consensus top 3 pick by literally everyone, it's ridiculous to talk about him like he's a guy who isn't even draftable in the 2nd round.

As far as Miller vs Scoot it's practically a done deal at this point that Miller has overtaken him for the 2 spot. Every mock I see has him there now.

Yeah? Guess you missed this one.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2023-nba-mock-draft-v5

And this:

Read on Twitter

And even if Woj says Miller is going no. 2, so what? Woj reported the morning of the draft last year that Jabari was going #1 to Orlando. Look how that turned out

1. I already addressed that with my Westbrook example in my previous post.

2. That consensus mock tweet you posted includes mocks that are up to 2 months old, which is way before Miller had passed him up.

[Hal14]

So we're just supposed to overlook guys weaknesses unless they are non lotto picks? Sorry to break it to you, but the NBA isn't a participation trophy league.

No. You're supposed to discuss the prospects more intelligently. If you're talking about a guy who's a consensus top 3 pick by literally everyone, it's ridiculous to talk about him like he's a guy who isn't even draftable in the 2nd round.

As far as Miller vs Scoot it's practically a done deal at this point that Miller has overtaken him for the 2 spot. Every mock I see has him there now.

Yeah? Guess you missed this one.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2023-nba-mock-draft-v5

And this:

Read on Twitter

And even if Woj says Miller is going no. 2, so what? Woj reported the morning of the draft last year that Jabari was going #1 to Orlando. Look how that turned out

1. I already addressed that with my Westbrook example in my previous post.

2. That consensus mock tweet you posted includes mocks that are up to 2 months old, which is way before Miller had passed him up.

The no ceilings mock was literally just posted like yesterday.

The global scouting consensus rankings were just posted yesterday too. No idea why you think it's pulling anything from 2 months ago.

This one was also posted yesterday and has Scoot #2:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10068651-2023-nba-mock-draft-predictions-entering-ncaa-tournament