Jordan Love Thread - All Aboard the Love Train

[Carioca]

They'll exercise his fifth-year option, and if he's any good Love may end up getting an extension before the end of the year.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm not sure there's a reason to pick up Love's option. If he's bad and the team is bad they'll probably select his replacement. If he's good they'll give him an extension.

[Carioca]

I'm not sure there's a reason to pick up Love's option. If he's bad and the team is bad they'll probably select his replacement. If he's good they'll give him an extension.

The fifth-year option has to be picked up in May, or else he's a free agent next year. If he's bad and they draft his replacement, he's still likely to play as a bridge QB in 2024. Rodgers was already in his fourth year when he first started, so there is a bit of a difference, but he got his extension about halfway through that first season in 2008.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm not sure there's a reason to pick up Love's option. If he's bad and the team is bad they'll probably select his replacement. If he's good they'll give him an extension.

The fifth-year option has to be picked up in May, or else he's a free agent next year. If he's bad and they draft his replacement, he's still likely to play as a bridge QB in 2024. Rodgers was already in his fourth year when he first started, so there is a bit of a difference, but he got his extension about halfway through that first season in 2008.

Yea, that's my point. If they like and believe in Love they won't get to his 5th year on the rookie deal. He'll get extended. And if he's bad, $20 million is way too much to pay for a bridge QB.

[ReasonablySober]

For the record, like I said earlier, I think he's gonna be really good.

[stillgotgame]

I'm not sure there's a reason to pick up Love's option. If he's bad and the team is bad they'll probably select his replacement. If he's good they'll give him an extension.

The fifth-year option has to be picked up in May, or else he's a free agent next year. If he's bad and they draft his replacement, he's still likely to play as a bridge QB in 2024. Rodgers was already in his fourth year when he first started, so there is a bit of a difference, but he got his extension about halfway through that first season in 2008.

Yea, that's my point. If they like and believe in Love they won't get to his 5th year on the rookie deal. He'll get extended. And if he's bad, $20 million is way too much to pay for a bridge QB.

If he's good $20M will be a bargain. Going rate for a good QB starts at $40M per.
If he's bad $20M in cap space won't matter anyways, we'll be rebuilding.

[ReasonablySober]

The fifth-year option has to be picked up in May, or else he's a free agent next year. If he's bad and they draft his replacement, he's still likely to play as a bridge QB in 2024. Rodgers was already in his fourth year when he first started, so there is a bit of a difference, but he got his extension about halfway through that first season in 2008.

Yea, that's my point. If they like and believe in Love they won't get to his 5th year on the rookie deal. He'll get extended. And if he's bad, $20 million is way too much to pay for a bridge QB.

If he's good $20M will be a bargain. Going rate for a good QB starts at $40M per.
If he's bad $20M in cap space won't matter anyways, we'll be rebuilding.

Look at what the Giants did with Jones. Didn't pick up the 5th, he played well enough for them to commit to him for the next four years.

In 2023, Jones will earn a base salary of $9,500,000, a signing bonus of $36,000,000 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,000,000 and a dead cap value of $82,000,000.

That's the move with Love if he's good.

[stillgotgame]

Yea, that's my point. If they like and believe in Love they won't get to his 5th year on the rookie deal. He'll get extended. And if he's bad, $20 million is way too much to pay for a bridge QB.

If he's good $20M will be a bargain. Going rate for a good QB starts at $40M per.
If he's bad $20M in cap space won't matter anyways, we'll be rebuilding.

Look at what the Giants did with Jones. Didn't pick up the 5th, he played well enough for them to commit to him for the next four years.

In 2023, Jones will earn a base salary of $9,500,000, a signing bonus of $36,000,000 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,000,000 and a dead cap value of $82,000,000.

That's the move with Love if he's good.

The cap hit is about the same for the 1st year. They added $20M of dead cap to future years though. Bad cycle to stay in.
Love's dead cap after his 5th year option is zero.

[ReasonablySober]

If he's good $20M will be a bargain. Going rate for a good QB starts at $40M per.
If he's bad $20M in cap space won't matter anyways, we'll be rebuilding.

Look at what the Giants did with Jones. Didn't pick up the 5th, he played well enough for them to commit to him for the next four years.

In 2023, Jones will earn a base salary of $9,500,000, a signing bonus of $36,000,000 and a workout bonus of $500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,000,000 and a dead cap value of $82,000,000.

That's the move with Love if he's good.

The cap hit is about the same for the 1st year. They added $20M of dead cap to future years though. Bad cycle to stay in.
Love's dead cap after his 5th year option is zero.

Yes, because they like him. I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp. If the Packers like Love, they'll extend him and the amount in that first year would be the same as if they picked up the option. But if he's bad they owe literally nothing and they'll draft his replacement.

[LUKE23]

The only part I disagree with is that they would give up on him after one year, unless Love was horrendous, or they had a shot at Williams, or both.

[Frank Nova]

If Love is really bad enough to have a shot at Caleb Williams, that should cost Gute and MLF their jobs no questions asked. They shouldn’t even make it through the season if we stink that bad we’re headed towards the #1 pick…. That would be an absolute joke.

[Carioca]

If Love is really bad enough to have a shot at Caleb Williams, that should cost Gute and MLF their jobs no questions asked. They shouldn’t even make it through the season if we stink that bad we’re headed towards the #1 pick…. That would be an absolute joke.

There is no way they're going to fire MLF and Gutey after one year of transition--my guess, as someone said previously, is that they'll both get at least three years. The Packers have never been a hair-trigger organization since Ron Wolf got here, Ray Rhodes being the lone exception.

Pack starts hiring/firing coaches on a two-year cycle, it's going to get bleak until we find another Wolf/Thompson.

[Frank Nova]

If Love is really bad enough to have a shot at Caleb Williams, that should cost Gute and MLF their jobs no questions asked. They shouldn’t even make it through the season if we stink that bad we’re headed towards the #1 pick…. That would be an absolute joke.

There is no way they're going to fire MLF and Gutey after one year of transition--my guess, as someone said previously, is that they'll both get at least three years. The Packers have never been a hair-trigger organization since Ron Wolf got here, Ray Rhodes being the lone exception.

Pack starts hiring/firing coaches on a two-year cycle, it's going to get bleak until we find another Wolf/Thompson.

A 2yr cycle is fine if there’s any semblance of progression. We are talking about the Packers being the worst team in the league next year and drafting Caleb Williams to replace
Jordan Love already. If that were to happen, that will be unacceptable on every metric level of competence imaginable. Gutenkist will have wasted the entire 2020 draft, ruined our cap by handing Rodgers a poison pill contract for the past 2 seasons and then tanked his way to completely hitting another reset button? And he should be allowed to earn a paycheck for that? Nah, that’s BS, that is his 3yr window.. You kick him in the pants on his way out the door and tell him thanks for nothing moron. Idk what you do for a living but I know if I was that bad at my job, my boss would have no problem doing that to me for the better of the business.

I realize this is hypothetical and I wouldn’t even be mad at the opportunity to draft Caleb Williams, he looks like a real franchise QB. However, this FO would not under any circumstance deserve the opportunity to see that unfold..

[Mags FTW]

For the record, like I said earlier, I think he's gonna be really good.

Would you put him ahead of J.P. Losman?

[ReasonablySober]

For the record, like I said earlier, I think he's gonna be really good.

Would you put him ahead of J.P. Losman?

HE COULD THROW THE BALL OVER THE POSTS FROM HIS KNEES.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Love is really bad enough to have a shot at Caleb Williams, that should cost Gute and MLF their jobs no questions asked. They shouldn’t even make it through the season if we stink that bad we’re headed towards the #1 pick…. That would be an absolute joke.

There is no way they're going to fire MLF and Gutey after one year of transition--my guess, as someone said previously, is that they'll both get at least three years. The Packers have never been a hair-trigger organization since Ron Wolf got here, Ray Rhodes being the lone exception.

Pack starts hiring/firing coaches on a two-year cycle, it's going to get bleak until we find another Wolf/Thompson.

A 2yr cycle is fine if there’s any semblance of progression. We are talking about the Packers being the worst team in the league next year and drafting Caleb Williams to replace
Jordan Love already. If that were to happen, that will be unacceptable on every metric level of competence imaginable. Gutenkist will have wasted the entire 2020 draft, ruined our cap by handing Rodgers a poison pill contract for the past 2 seasons and then tanked his way to completely hitting another reset button? And he should be allowed to earn a paycheck for that? Nah, that’s BS, that is his 3yr window.. You kick him in the pants on his way out the door and tell him thanks for nothing moron. Idk what you do for a living but I know if I was that bad at my job, my boss would have no problem doing that to me for the better of the business.

I realize this is hypothetical and I wouldn’t even be mad at the opportunity to draft Caleb Williams, he looks like a real franchise QB. However, this FO would not under any circumstance deserve the opportunity to see that unfold..

Totally agree. It's very likely a 2 yr window unless it's just horrific next year.

The real tricky scenario is Love looks decent early then gets hurt and the season goes to hell. That would lead to some really hard decisions with not a lot of information to make said decision.

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[Carioca]

When I say two-year cycle, I mean the firing of a coach after only two seasons on the job. That cycle is unacceptable and would be a harbinger of internal organizational chaos. Imagine if the Bengals had pulled the plug on Zac Taylor after one year?

Even if the Packers are horrific next year, they're not pulling the plug on Gutey and MLF after one year of transition. And if Love shows anything, gets hurt and they end up with the first pick, they'll do the same thing the Bears did this year and trade (but hopefully get more, I don't think the Bears package was all that great).

Drake Maye will be a better pro than Caleb Williams anyway!

[M-C-G]

I think we will know pretty quickly if 'it' is there with him. If 3 out of 4 games we are looking like we did against the Chiefs and don't have any answers, going to be pretty hard to build around Love/MLF combo. But if we are seeing 3 out of 4 games where he is playing like he did against the Eagles, we are going to be a playoff team.

[Frank Nova]

There is no way they're going to fire MLF and Gutey after one year of transition--my guess, as someone said previously, is that they'll both get at least three years. The Packers have never been a hair-trigger organization since Ron Wolf got here, Ray Rhodes being the lone exception.

Pack starts hiring/firing coaches on a two-year cycle, it's going to get bleak until we find another Wolf/Thompson.

A 2yr cycle is fine if there’s any semblance of progression. We are talking about the Packers being the worst team in the league next year and drafting Caleb Williams to replace
Jordan Love already. If that were to happen, that will be unacceptable on every metric level of competence imaginable. Gutenkist will have wasted the entire 2020 draft, ruined our cap by handing Rodgers a poison pill contract for the past 2 seasons and then tanked his way to completely hitting another reset button? And he should be allowed to earn a paycheck for that? Nah, that’s BS, that is his 3yr window.. You kick him in the pants on his way out the door and tell him thanks for nothing moron. Idk what you do for a living but I know if I was that bad at my job, my boss would have no problem doing that to me for the better of the business.

I realize this is hypothetical and I wouldn’t even be mad at the opportunity to draft Caleb Williams, he looks like a real franchise QB. However, this FO would not under any circumstance deserve the opportunity to see that unfold..

Totally agree. It's very likely a 2 yr window unless it's just horrific next year.

The real tricky scenario is Love looks decent early then gets hurt and the season goes to hell. That would lead to some really hard decisions with not a lot of information to make said decision.

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By all accounts, injuries should not cost anyone a position. I can agree with that. If Love goes down (knock on wood) and the season goes from promising to hell in a hand basket, I would consider that a successful enough 1st year to lengthen the leash at least 1 more full season before harsh judgement was made. If Love just flat out stinks, there should be no coming back from that for Gutenkist. Just my opinion but I’m not in favor of how the Rodgers situation was handled at all so I’m not going to be as lenient as some with my opinion.

[Finn]

I think we will know pretty quickly if 'it' is there with him. If 3 out of 4 games we are looking like we did against the Chiefs and don't have any answers, going to be pretty hard to build around Love/MLF combo. But if we are seeing 3 out of 4 games where he is playing like he did against the Eagles, we are going to be a playoff team.

I would hope that any player gets more of an opportunity than that.