Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series?

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Re: Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series? 

Post#21 » by ConSarnit » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:48 pm

OdomFan wrote:2007 Spurs
1996 Bulls
1998 Jazz
2004 Pistons
2005 Pacers
2014 Spurs
2019 Raptors
2001 Lakers
1995 Magic
1995 Rockets
2008 Celtics
1986 Celtics
1983 76ers

All would stand a chance.


Pretty much every team prior to 2010 would get run off the floor. It's not their fault but their play styles would doom them.

Midrange shot attempts in playoffs:

'98 Bulls: 31.4, 37%

'17 Warriors: 18.0, 44%

The '98 Bulls took 1.7 corner 3 attempts.

The Warriors would stand back and say "oh my god, these guys want to take 30+ midrange shots a game, are they f*cking crazy?"

The 2017 Warriors could play most of these teams to a wash defensively (or it would be close). Almost all of these pre-2010 teams would have horrible offenses by today's standards.
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Re: Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series? 

Post#24 » by GusT15 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:58 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:A healthy 2017 Spurs team.

I mean they beat them twice in regular season, were getting blown out with Kawhi in the playoffs… but injuries happen and that was that.

One of the more interesting what ifs..


Yes,but i would prefer the 2016 Spurs if we're talking health.

2016 Spurs if Timmy still had his one good knee don't get outrebounded by Durant's Thunder (who were also 3-1 up on the 73-9 Warriors) and eliminated in 6.

2016 Spurs were 67-15 in the regular season and 40-1 at home...

Parker/Mills
Ginobili/Danny Green
Leonard/Kyle Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Duncan/West

It was a hell of a team...
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Re: Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series? 

Post#25 » by nikster » Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:04 pm

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LascelleL wrote:The 2001 Lakers I feel like would have the best chance. Both in terms of match up problems on the offensive end and defensive problems caused by who the hell is guarding Shaq?


Kobe and Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, Ron Harper, Ty Lue...this team had some really good perimeter defenders. You swap out Hoarce Grant for Robert Horry in the starting line up for Match ups and I really like their chances.


Probably the best chance but Shaq would need to absolutely go off.

Yes the team did have good perimeter defenders for their era, but no one who had the skillset or experience to guard a modern pace and space offense.


Is each team playing as they did at the time: the Lakers are playing 2001 style basketball and the Warriors are playing 2017 style basketball? If that's the case the Warriors win pretty easily.

2000-01 Lakers 3pt attempts (playoffs): 15.9fga, 38.6%

2016-17 Warriors 3pt attempts (playoffs): 32.9fga, 38.6%

LAL 2001 ppg: 103.4

GSW 2017 ppg: 119.3

No matter how much they gave the ball to Shaq they'd never be able to make up that scoring difference. That was also the last good Draymond shooting year: 4.6 3's per game @ 41% in the playoffs. How does Shaq guard that when he's never faced a barrage of perimeter shooting at anywhere near that level? The Lakers would get 3pt volumed to death.

In a game where 2 teams are taken in a time machine to a neutral location and are forced to play immediately almost no team is going to beat the Warriors because their 3pt shooting volume and efficiency is going to dwarf their opponent. Every team prior to 2010 would be at a huge disadvantage.

Yeah I have no doubt Shaq would go off but I just dont see how you make up the massive gap in 3 point shooting. I think many people here are underrating the impact of the 3. Theres a reason 3 point shooting has exploded the last 8 years
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Re: Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series? 

Post#26 » by DAWill1128 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:08 pm

The Durant joined a 73 win team has never been genuine reality of the situation. First, the Warriors lost Barnes and Bogut along with all the depth they had to get Durant. He didn't join in addition to that team like the narrative people want to create. The regular season is far more about depth than top end talent because of how long the season is, reason they didn't win even more regular season games when they signed KD.

Nobody is saying KD is joining the 64 win Sun's team, because he isn't. The Sun's swapped out talent just like the Warriors had.
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Post#27 » by The4thHorseman » Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:16 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:A healthy 2017 Spurs team.

I mean they beat them twice in regular season, were getting blown out with Kawhi in the playoffs… but injuries happen and that was that.

One of the more interesting what ifs..

GS was down by 20 after the 1st half of game 1. Such a small sample size to speculate that SA would've gone onto win the series.

Same scenario with the Heat and Bulls in the 2011 ECF. Bulls swept season series and then won by 20 the first game of the series, then proceeded to lose 4 in row. Most thought the Bulls were going to advance after the game 1 blowout.
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Post#28 » by Mr. Perfect » Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:28 pm

I'd give year 3 Heatles a chance if Wade was healthy in the playoffs. Bosh would have been the perfect 5 defensively to matchup against the Warriors.
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Post#29 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:33 pm

It depends, are we playing by 2017 rules (or lack there of) where illegal moving screens, travels, carrying, push offs are allowed or by rules from the past? And if by today’s rules, do past teams get a season to adjust to the rules?
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Post#30 » by nikster » Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:42 pm

DAWill1128 wrote:The Durant joined a 73 win team has never been genuine reality of the situation. First, the Warriors lost Barnes and Bogut along with all the depth they had to get Durant. He didn't join in addition to that team like the narrative people want to create. The regular season is far more about depth than top end talent because of how long the season is, reason they didn't win even more regular season games when they signed KD.

Nobody is saying KD is joining the 64 win Sun's team, because he isn't. The Sun's swapped out talent just like the Warriors had.

First, that scenario is as close you can get to a star just joining a team for nothing. Unless a team has ever signed a free agent star without letting go of any significant free agents. Barnes was a mediocre starter who played a bargain bin version of Durants role which made Durant incredibly easy to slot into the starting line up (We saw what happened when Raptors swapped Kawhi for Derozan) . For their playoff rotation they basically swapped Durant for Barnes and 16 minutes of Bogut for Zaza. That's not a meaningful loss.

And they weren't just a 73 win team, they made it to the Finals and were on the edge of back to back titles with a 3-1 lead. Then in 2019 when Durant went down, they closed out the Rockets, swept the WCF and went to 6 games of the Finals despite additional injury to Klay.


A few key differences with the Suns. Suns never won anything, didnt have another MVP and all time great, were a second round exit last year, and were on a 44 win pace 2/3rds of the way through this season (though they have dealt woth injuries). Mikal Bridges is better on both ends then Barnes is. They lost Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson both key rotation players. That's 3 of their top 5 players in minutes played last year (Mikal leading the team by a large margin) . Chris Paul's way past his prime and has fallen off a bit this year.
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Post#31 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:55 pm

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Blame Rasho wrote:A healthy 2017 Spurs team.

I mean they beat them twice in regular season, were getting blown out with Kawhi in the playoffs… but injuries happen and that was that.

One of the more interesting what ifs..

GS was down by 20 after the 1st half of game 1. Such a small sample size to speculate that SA would've gone onto win the series.

Same scenario with the Heat and Bulls in the 2011 ECF. Bulls swept season series and then won by 20 the first game of the series, then proceeded to lose 4 in row. Most thought the Bulls were going to advance after the game 1 blowout.


The entire thread is speculation so it is absurd to say oh it is speculation… great insight amigo.
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Re: Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series? 

Post#32 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:02 pm

They went 16-1 in the playoffs that year, people are getting the 2017 and 2018 teams mixed up too.

Nobody is beating that 2017 team in a series, they were hungry and focused, were 1st offensively and 2nd defensively. The 2018 team that went 7 with the Rockets had slipped on defense (11th) and weren't nearly as good.
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Re: Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series? 

Post#33 » by OdomFan » Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:09 pm

rtiff68 wrote:
OdomFan wrote:2007 Spurs
1996 Bulls
1998 Jazz
2004 Pistons
2005 Pacers
2014 Spurs
2019 Raptors
2001 Lakers
1995 Magic
1995 Rockets
2008 Celtics
1986 Celtics
1983 76ers

All would stand a chance.


If I believed Ray Allen was better than Steph Curry, I’d agree with you.

:)

Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
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Post#34 » by pipfan » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:08 pm

That was the best team I ever saw, and I am a HUGE Bulls' fan from way back. I have followed the league since the late 70's, so I can't comment on teams before that.

BUT-that first game the Spurs were giving it to them before Leonard went down. I think they were up 20-I was shocked. Could have been a fluke, and the series was over when he got Zaza'ed, but I do question if they were mentally tough enough against a team like the 2001 Lakers of the 96 Bulls?
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Post#36 » by Lalouie » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:28 pm

CodeBreaker wrote:A team with ridiculous offensive firepower, great defense, and good depth.
Two MVP players in the absolute prime of their careers.
Third option is one of the top-3 greatest shooters ever who is an elite off-ball player.
A DPOY who can also make plays for the team.
A veteran defensive specialist who was a Finals MVP.

Any team in history you'd bet against the 2017 Warriors in a 7-game series?


any team today playing any team from the 70s and 60s under 70s/60s rules would get called for carrying LITERALLY every possession at any time on any player handling the ball. gsw wouldn't even get the ball across half court. and i'm not even talking about fouling. they'd take curry out.

= 70 TO's per game at the very least , cuffing the ball is second nature in today's game


i was just watching pitt/xavier and there was a guard who held the ball on it's bottom and flipped it over on EVERY(and i mean EVERY) casual unguarded bounce of his dribble. this is the way today's players play. so tell me,,,who's rules do you want to play with??? :D :D :D

we've already seen instances of refs calling it and the bewildered players saying "duhhhh what'd i do???". what do you think would happen with 60s/70s refs seeing this stuff for the first time. in every possession downcourt with the ball passing thu several players' hands how many times are you going to see at least one player cuffing the ball
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Post#37 » by hauntedcomputer » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:32 pm

Yeah, what era? Because I would take the Celtics dynasty, the 1967 Sixers, and the 1972 Lakers over them.
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Post#38 » by The4thHorseman » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:36 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:A healthy 2017 Spurs team.

I mean they beat them twice in regular season, were getting blown out with Kawhi in the playoffs… but injuries happen and that was that.

One of the more interesting what ifs..

GS was down by 20 after the 1st half of game 1. Such a small sample size to speculate that SA would've gone onto win the series.

Same scenario with the Heat and Bulls in the 2011 ECF. Bulls swept season series and then won by 20 the first game of the series, then proceeded to lose 4 in row. Most thought the Bulls were going to advance after the game 1 blowout.


The entire thread is speculation so it is absurd to say oh it is speculation… great insight amigo.

So the score after one half of play in game 1, means the Spurs had a good chance of winning the series as the underdog?
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Post#40 » by cupcakesnake » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:59 pm

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NyKnicks1714 wrote:The 2017 Rockets, assuming sound officiating.


I came here to post exactly that.
The Rockets (with fair officiating) >>> The Warriors.


You both mean the 2018 Rockets right?
2017 Rockets were the pre-CP3 team that got spanked by the Spurs without Kawhi in game 6.
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