Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[YogurtProducer]

Let's celebrate demar scoring 30 pts on 30 shots on game 7 against the heat to make the ECF too, he totally didn't get swept the next 2 years by worse versions of the same Cavs team. This is totally the same quality of eastern conference competition too

I am not a Demar fan, but we often times seem to view this "you need a #1" in hindsight.

Dirk was "not good enough" until he won. I have a feeling a guy like Booker would be the same where he wins and suddenly he is viewed a top 10 player for the rest of his career.

He put up 27/5/5 in that playoff run

Say the ts percentage tho

56TS%, mostly knocked down by a less than stellar 49TS% in the WCF in which he shot the 3 poorly. For reference, Demars career TS% in Toronto was 50TS%.

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie is an untouchable.

No way in hell would I trade him for Jaylen Brown LMAO and I'm a big Brown fan.

Brown averages 27/7/3 on 59TS% and you would "no way in hell" trade for him?

[YogurtProducer]

Mitchell/Booker/Jaylen aren't ideal 1st options especially Jaylen. Given how ineffective of a passer he is and how much he turns the ball over, I think it'd get pretty ugly with him as a 1st option. But from a talent standpoint, if Scottie is the main piece you're trading along with cap filler and picks (wouldn't trade a lot) then that is an excellent deal.

NBA is wide open right now. Inserting one of those guys into the starting lineup along with OG, Poeltl, Fred and Pascal would make this team contenders.

I wouldn't actively look to trade Scottie. He's going to be a great player in this league but if you can get an ALL-NBA caliber player then it's something you have to do. There is no guarantee Scottie becomes that kind of player.

Yeah people need to chill out here and realize there is a price for absolutely everyone. If you were doing a 1 for 1 there is not a single player on this roster you turn down for one of those 3 guys. Before the season I would have likely said no to Mitchell for Siakam (mostly due to a weird FVV/Mitch/GTJ fit) but Mitchell proved it to me this year he would have been worth it.

[Reeko]

Scottie is an untouchable.

No way in hell would I trade him for Jaylen Brown LMAO and I'm a big Brown fan.

Brown averages 27/7/3 on 59TS% and you would "no way in hell" trade for him?

Would you prefer prime Jimmy Butler or Jaylen Brown right now?

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie is an untouchable.

No way in hell would I trade him for Jaylen Brown LMAO and I'm a big Brown fan.

Brown averages 27/7/3 on 59TS% and you would "no way in hell" trade for him?

Would you prefer prime Jimmy Butler or Jaylen Brown right now?

Oh easily Prime Jimmy, but I am a huge Jimmy fan. Prime Jimmy was like 24/6/6, still could shoot the 3 (weird he suddenly forgot how), and was absolutely incredible defensively. He to me was like the Lowry of wings in which his counting stats did not tell the whole story.

[TorontoBarneys]

So you guys really think an upgrade of Barnes to Brown makes us a contender? That's wild.

I don't think Brown is way better than Barnes, just solidly better. People are starting to underrate Barnes and how much he affects a game overall in terms of winning, methinks. That aside, the metrics tell the story that our starting line-up is not the problem, our horrid bench production is.

Trading Scottie+ for Brown is a clear cut consolidation trade, so we are getting even less deep. People are not thinking this through.

[HiJiNX]

I agree with dude who said there’s NO WAY IN HELL he trades Scottie for Jaylen Brown. We would look back on that trade with regret by Scottie’s fifth year.

There are few players I’d trade Scottie for—Giannis and Luka. That’s sort of where the list ends for me. Healthy Zion as well but we all know he won’t ever be healthy.

As for Booker in the finals—he was relatively contained without needing to be double teamed often and when he was double teamed he couldn’t beat it with the shot or the pass. Booker isn’t matchup proof like a true superstar needs to be in the playoffs. That said, if Ayton shows up at all in that series the Suns probably win it.

EDIT: Okay, in an effort to be less hyperbolic, I’d also trade Scottie for Embiid and Jokic. Probably Tatum.

[HumbleRen]

I wouldn’t do it for Brown.

I’d do it for Donavan Mitchell though. Triple level threat with elite pull up 3 shot making ability is the last missing piece for this starting 5.

[Mikistan]

I am not a Demar fan, but we often times seem to view this "you need a #1" in hindsight.

Dirk was "not good enough" until he won. I have a feeling a guy like Booker would be the same where he wins and suddenly he is viewed a top 10 player for the rest of his career.

He put up 27/5/5 in that playoff run

Say the ts percentage tho

56TS%, mostly knocked down by a less than stellar 49TS% in the WCF in which he shot the 3 poorly. For reference, Demars career TS% in Toronto was 50TS%.

Haha thanks I thought u were quoting demar as aging 27/5/5 in the playoff run not book haha

[YogurtProducer]

Say the ts percentage tho

56TS%, mostly knocked down by a less than stellar 49TS% in the WCF in which he shot the 3 poorly. For reference, Demars career TS% in Toronto was 50TS%.

Haha thanks I thought u were quoting demar as aging 27/5/5 in the playoff run not book haha

oh god no. I am pretty sure Demar has never even touched 27ppg or 56TS% in a series let alone a run

[Tha Cynic]

I wouldn’t do it for Brown.

I’d do it for Donavan Mitchell though. Triple level threat with elite pull up 3 shot making ability is the last missing piece for this starting 5.

Man, I really dislike that archetype for some reason. Mitchell is somehow making it work in Cleveland and looking less chuckerish and more efficient, but everything about him is his scoring. He's imo the 3rd most important player on that team behind Allen and Garland. It's a perfect fit for him though with how they're built. I just don't trust the way he scores. I'm still expecting him to fail in the playoffs and be a hot and cold player.

[WuTang_CMB]

Need him healthy hopefully hes ok. Love that him and Poeltl have nice chemistry.

[YogurtProducer]

I agree with dude who said there’s NO WAY IN HELL he trades Scottie for Jaylen Brown. We would look back on that trade with regret by Scottie’s fifth year.

There are few players I’d trade Scottie for—Giannis and Luka. That’s sort of where the list ends for me. Healthy Zion as well but we all know he won’t ever be healthy.

As for Booker in the finals—he was relatively contained without needing to be double teamed often and when he was double teamed he couldn’t beat it with the shot or the pass. Booker isn’t matchup proof like a true superstar needs to be in the playoffs. That said, if Ayton shows up at all in that series the Suns probably win it.

EDIT: Okay, in an effort to be less hyperbolic, I’d also trade Scottie for Embiid and Jokic. Probably Tatum.

Come on man.

The homer-ism is out of control if your seriously only treading him for like 6 dudes.

[Reeko]

I agree with dude who said there’s NO WAY IN HELL he trades Scottie for Jaylen Brown. We would look back on that trade with regret by Scottie’s fifth year.

There are few players I’d trade Scottie for—Giannis and Luka. That’s sort of where the list ends for me. Healthy Zion as well but we all know he won’t ever be healthy.

As for Booker in the finals—he was relatively contained without needing to be double teamed often and when he was double teamed he couldn’t beat it with the shot or the pass. Booker isn’t matchup proof like a true superstar needs to be in the playoffs. That said, if Ayton shows up at all in that series the Suns probably win it.

EDIT: Okay, in an effort to be less hyperbolic, I’d also trade Scottie for Embiid and Jokic. Probably Tatum.

Come on man.

The homer-ism is out of control if your seriously only treading him for like 6 dudes.

He just believes in Scottie's potential. Crazy how divided the fan base is on him. Where some people see MVP potential in the future, others see a pretty good to maybe one time all star talent potential.

I'm not sure that he's going to be a top 5-10 player at his peak per se, but I do think that he's going to be one of those guys who is better when it counts the most, than guys who are generally regarded as better than him. Think Butler vs Harden. Harden year in and year out has been considered the better player, but when it's time to go to war I'd rather have Butler in the trenches with me.

[HumbleRen]

I wouldn’t do it for Brown.

I’d do it for Donavan Mitchell though. Triple level threat with elite pull up 3 shot making ability is the last missing piece for this starting 5.

Man, I really dislike that archetype for some reason. Mitchell is somehow making it work in Cleveland and looking less chuckerish and more efficient, but everything about him is his scoring. He's imo the 3rd most important player on that team behind Allen and Garland. It's a perfect fit for him though with how they're built. I just don't trust the way he scores. I'm still expecting him to fail in the playoffs and be a hot and cold player.

Must be looking at the wrong Mitchell then. He’s always been efficient and a driver of a top 10 offence in almost every season since he was a rookie.

I do agree though, he’s probably in the best situation to compliment his strengths and weaknesses.

[MonkBatter42]

I agree with dude who said there’s NO WAY IN HELL he trades Scottie for Jaylen Brown. We would look back on that trade with regret by Scottie’s fifth year.

There are few players I’d trade Scottie for—Giannis and Luka. That’s sort of where the list ends for me. Healthy Zion as well but we all know he won’t ever be healthy.

As for Booker in the finals—he was relatively contained without needing to be double teamed often and when he was double teamed he couldn’t beat it with the shot or the pass. Booker isn’t matchup proof like a true superstar needs to be in the playoffs. That said, if Ayton shows up at all in that series the Suns probably win it.

EDIT: Okay, in an effort to be less hyperbolic, I’d also trade Scottie for Embiid and Jokic. Probably Tatum.

Come on man.

The homer-ism is out of control if your seriously only treading him for like 6 dudes.

Lol there is a significant portion of the fanbase that is so desperate to believe that Scottie will become some first-option star, that they severely overrate his value. I obviously want to see Scottie to get better and succeed, but he's such a flawed player with inherent limitations, I just can't lie to myself that he'll one day become that guy.

[NirvanaFC]

I agree with dude who said there’s NO WAY IN HELL he trades Scottie for Jaylen Brown. We would look back on that trade with regret by Scottie’s fifth year.

There are few players I’d trade Scottie for—Giannis and Luka. That’s sort of where the list ends for me. Healthy Zion as well but we all know he won’t ever be healthy.

As for Booker in the finals—he was relatively contained without needing to be double teamed often and when he was double teamed he couldn’t beat it with the shot or the pass. Booker isn’t matchup proof like a true superstar needs to be in the playoffs. That said, if Ayton shows up at all in that series the Suns probably win it.

EDIT: Okay, in an effort to be less hyperbolic, I’d also trade Scottie for Embiid and Jokic. Probably Tatum.

Damn, maybe only crazy Scottie fanboys post in this thread

[blastttOFF]

I wouldn’t do it for Brown.

I’d do it for Donavan Mitchell though. Triple level threat with elite pull up 3 shot making ability is the last missing piece for this starting 5.

Man, I really dislike that archetype for some reason. Mitchell is somehow making it work in Cleveland and looking less chuckerish and more efficient, but everything about him is his scoring. He's imo the 3rd most important player on that team behind Allen and Garland. It's a perfect fit for him though with how they're built. I just don't trust the way he scores. I'm still expecting him to fail in the playoffs and be a hot and cold player.

Must be looking at the wrong Mitchell then. He’s always been efficient and a driver of a top 10 offence in almost every season since he was a rookie.

I do agree though, he’s probably in the best situation to compliment his strengths and weaknesses.

The knock on Mitchell is that the bubble playoff really inflated his ego/game.
The Jazz were exposed because during clutch moments, he would press by slowing the pace, dribbling to nowhere, and taking really bad contested shots when the defenses are zeroed in.
His defense is also really bad and was picked on lots by the Mavs last year

[Raps in 4]

I agree with dude who said there’s NO WAY IN HELL he trades Scottie for Jaylen Brown. We would look back on that trade with regret by Scottie’s fifth year.

There are few players I’d trade Scottie for—Giannis and Luka. That’s sort of where the list ends for me. Healthy Zion as well but we all know he won’t ever be healthy.

As for Booker in the finals—he was relatively contained without needing to be double teamed often and when he was double teamed he couldn’t beat it with the shot or the pass. Booker isn’t matchup proof like a true superstar needs to be in the playoffs. That said, if Ayton shows up at all in that series the Suns probably win it.

EDIT: Okay, in an effort to be less hyperbolic, I’d also trade Scottie for Embiid and Jokic. Probably Tatum.

Come on man.

The homer-ism is out of control if your seriously only treading him for like 6 dudes.

It's not homerism. It's different priorities.

If a trade won't push the team over the top, I'd rather take my chances on Scottie becoming that player who will push us over the top.

We don't need more Siakams and Freds on this team. We need a Kawhi.

Either we trade Scottie for a Kawhi or we hope he becomes one. Trading him for another top-20 player accomplishes nothing.

[srhcan]

OG overshoots his fadeaway to the point where he loses his balance. That's why he barely ever makes that shot. Siakam barely ever used this move because it's not a move that comes easy for him. He's also very mechanical but obviously not as much as OG. How effortless it is will go a long way in determining how well a player masters it. Barnes is able to shoot the ball higher to the point where defenses can't block it.

Anyway, these are moves stars make. Barnes being able to now hit them is a great sign. I don't see how any of this is a negative.

Siakam 10-16 ft = 46.7% (career 43%)
Scottie 10-16 ft = 29.8% (career 35%)

Scottie just is not there yet man. Sure he has some highlights but over the course of the year he has not had a mid range shot and has been pretty abysmal at it.

Lol I'm talking about a guy hitting a couple of shots as a good sign for the future and you're talking about same guy not being there yet.

No ****. :lol

You and Los keep saying the same things over and over again as if anyone is indicating this guy is a star today and all your comments are about winning today. I'm not sure if it's comprehension issues or intentionally ignoring people talking future projections to make it easier to troll. And you two are also the same two always bitching about people always being negative lol.

There we go again with current day shooting percentages. No one really cares about that right now man. We're not talking about a guy in his prime or even entering it and we're talking about a team that will have to rebuild or retool soon. We don't care about mistakes or missed shots or missed assignments as long as we see development towards a future. We understand young players make mistakes and typically aren't as good as players in the last stages of their prime. This conversation isn't about who has a higher rating in NBA 2k today lol

Awesome reply. I hope these guys understand the game.