Is Fred VanFleet still on the agenda?

[Skybox]

Regardless of who we might get, whether it is FVV or trade, I think the Front Office is going to give 1 more year to Fultz to prove that he can lead this team to a playoff contention and go far. Mosley loves Fultz and he played more than 30 MPG last night.

I said it twice and I will say it again, I do not care about the pyramid of power of which player is a franchise guy or not, Fultz is our most efficient player. He shot over 56% last 5 games

Whether Fultz can work out along with Paolo or Franz is still unknown to me. Instead of worrying about Defense Clog the paint when Fultz is on the floor, why not let Paolo practice more of his 3 pt shots? When Fultz on the floor, the gain outlasts the loss, period.

If it was not his performance yesterday, do you think we have a prayer against Clippers on the road?

Paolo hitting rookie wall has a lot of factors. The biggest one is not Fultz. It is that the defense game planed Paolo.

We almost pull it off on the road against Suns. Why? It was Fultz!

One starter had a negative +/- during the time they were on the court yesterday. Period.

By your logic Bol Bol should be starting.

guy playing five minutes doesn't quite measure up to that analysis...by that logic, Bamba would be in the HOF

[Bergmaniac]

Regardless of who we might get, whether it is FVV or trade, I think the Front Office is going to give 1 more year to Fultz to prove that he can lead this team to a playoff contention and go far. Mosley loves Fultz and he played more than 30 MPG last night.

I said it twice and I will say it again, I do not care about the pyramid of power of which player is a franchise guy or not, Fultz is our most efficient player. He shot over 56% last 5 games

You obviously don't care about math either . Fultz's TS% is 56.3%. Franz's is 59.0%, Wendell's is 61.9%, Gary Harris's is 61.9%, Mo Wagner's is 62.9%.

Back on topic - I have watched quite a bit of VanVleet lately and I've been quite impressed. Since Poeltl joined them he's averaged 19.4 PPG and 9 assists on 56.2 TS% (38.3% from 3) and his two-man game with Poeltl has been really good almost every time I've watched them. Toronto has had 120.0 ORTG in this period when he has been on the court. Defensively he's looked pretyt good too.

[basketballRob]

I have a feeling we're going to trade our Gary for Toronto's Gary. I think GTJ won't accept backup money, and Toronto will be limited after they sign Vanvleet.

It could go the other way where we trade Fultz for Vanvleet, and Toronto would be able to afford to keep GTJ.

Either way, I think it's probably an SNT, just so we take care of our guys and Weltman can remain buddies with Ujiri.

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[MasterGMer]

If our fanbase is so polar on Fultz, why not advocating the idea of starting Cole? Cole can shoot and is a immediate offense.

[AaronB]

FVV has played better this month than any time in the last 12 months. At the perfect time to make himself a lot of money.

I will be surprised if he is not resigned by the Raptors for well north of $30m/year.

[Knightro]

FVV has played better this month than any time in the last 12 months. At the perfect time to make himself a lot of money.

I will be surprised if he is not resigned by the Raptors for well north of $30m/year.

The Raptors are in a tricky spot.

VanVleet, Trent Jr and Poeltl are all free agents this summer and all three of them appear primed to get relatively significant raises from their current salary.

Let's say...

FVV goes from 21.25 to 30M+ approx
GTJ goes from 17.5 to 22M+ approx
Jak goes from 9.3 to 20M+ approx

If they re-sign all three of those guys, then of a sudden they're committed to basically running the exact same team they have right now that's 2 games under .500 back, only instead of being slightly under the luxury tax, they'll be a good 15M over the tax with a roster that can't even get out of the first round.

I'm going to be very interested to see what they decide to do.

[pepe1991]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

[thelead]

FVV has played better this month than any time in the last 12 months. At the perfect time to make himself a lot of money.

I will be surprised if he is not resigned by the Raptors for well north of $30m/year.

The Raptors are in a tricky spot.

VanVleet, Trent Jr and Poeltl are all free agents this summer and all three of them appear primed to get relatively significant raises from their current salary.

Let's say...

FVV goes from 21.25 to 30M+ approx
GTJ goes from 17.5 to 22M+ approx
Jak goes from 9.3 to 20M+ approx

If they re-sign all three of those guys, then of a sudden they're committed to basically running the exact same team they have right now that's 2 games under .500 back, only instead of being slightly under the luxury tax, they'll be a good 15M over the tax with a roster that can't even get out of the first round.

I'm going to be very interested to see what they decide to do.

Masai tipped his hand when trading for Poeltl. There's no way they let FVV walk at this point unless someone MASSIVELY overpays him. GTJ I can see walking though if they're concerned about the luxury tax.

[Knightro]

Masai tipped his hand when trading for Poeltl. There's no way they let FVV walk at this point unless someone MASSIVELY overpays him. GTJ I can see walking though if they're concerned about the luxury tax.

The only one I'm confident they'll keep is Poeltl because they gave up a 1st round pick (in 2024) to get him.

Otherwise? Are they really gonna go $15M deep into the luxury tax on a team that probably can't even win a first round series?

I'm skeptical on that.

But I do agree with you the guy most likely to leave would be Trent Jr.

[AdamTheGreek]

Let someone else pay $20+ mil. per season for Fred. He’s not going to improve and it’s very likely that injuries will rapidly increase his decline.

[AaronB]

Let someone else pay $20+ mil. per season for Fred. He’s not going to improve and it’s very likely that injuries will rapidly increase his decline.

All FVV has to do is keep up playing like he is right now and he will be much closer to $35M per than $30M per and I would expect 4 years. Maybe more than $35M. Depends on how much the Rapors bid against themselves.

FVV talked about betting on himself earlier this season. It looked like a bad bet for much of the year, but now it looks like he has turned it around.

[eyriq]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

I agree. Looking at box score stats and they are 1 through 7 one of the best teams in the league. Coaching and chemistry loom large as culprits.

[Residual-Heat]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

the pieces dont fit well, but theyve been solid since they traded for Poeltl. Theyre 9-7.

[jezzerinho]

Let someone else pay $20+ mil. per season for Fred. He’s not going to improve and it’s very likely that injuries will rapidly increase his decline.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

You can't say with even the slightest modicum of foresight that he wont improve and that injuries will force his decline.

There's no template for how players age and no crystal ball you can claim to have access to.

[VFX]

Idk. I’d rather just use the draft picks to enhance the roster and make a few consolidation trades rather than paying a guy like FVV at this juncture.

I get that he would be a massive upgrade, but Orlando’s first concern should be Franz and Paolo’s first big contracts before they start handing out money. There isn’t a must-win precedent right now.

There are a few guys on the roster I’d rather move before acquiring more players with large contracts.

[yoyojw17]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

And this is one of the reasons why i'm not that keen on him at the price that many are willing to give up for him. "HE WON A SHIP!!!!"..... no Kawhi did. taking kawhi out of the lineup... the same team... actually probably slightly better in my opinion than before.... and FVV has not performed or elevated that "quality team"....what do people think he will do for our team? :-/ And the decline might continue. so... at $20+ million.... i would bow out on that offer.

Devin vassell talk did pique my interest though. I could see him going along the Mikal Bridges development route. Probably not as good... but I think there will be noticeable growth! Cole + Chi pick?

[Knightro]

Idk. I’d rather just use the draft picks to enhance the roster and make a few consolidation trades rather than paying a guy like FVV at this juncture.

I get that he would be a massive upgrade, but Orlando’s first concern should be Franz and Paolo’s first big contracts before they start handing out money. There isn’t a must-win precedent right now.

There are a few guys on the roster I’d rather move before acquiring more players with large contracts.

I'd argue that there's nothing out there right now that would be more beneficial for Paolo and Franz (especially Paolo since he's not a good off-ball player) than replacing Fultz with a point guard who can actually make plays for others at a higher level than Markelle can in the halfcourt while also providing spacing when he doesn't have the basketball.

[pepe1991]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

And this is one of the reasons why i'm not that keen on him at the price that many are willing to give up for him. "HE WON A SHIP!!!!"..... no Kawhi did. taking kawhi out of the lineup... the same team... actually probably slightly better in my opinion than before.... and FVV has not performed or elevated that "quality team"....what do people think he will do for our team? :-/ And the decline might continue. so... at $20+ million.... i would bow out on that offer.

Devin vassell talk did pique my interest though. I could see him going along the Mikal Bridges development route. Probably not as good... but I think there will be noticeable growth! Cole + Chi pick?

Vassell will cost you 4 unprotected first round picks.

Nets were offered 3 or 4 first round picks for Mikal Bridges and simply said -no.

Spurs have s*** loud of money and lack talent, they view Vassell as first peace of puzzle, i really struggle to find any logical reason why they would trade him. It's like some fans offer , i don't know, some random Heat pick and Strus for Franz. Yea... guess what would our answer be?

Cole is fine young guard but restricted FA next year, Bulls pick goes from- nothing in 2023 to 5th pick ( best case) .

If Spurs ever entertain idea for trading Vassell it would probably be:
unprotected Magic 2024 pick
Bulls 2023 or 2024 pick
unprotected 2026 pick
unprotected 2028 pick
pick swap right in 2025 or 2027

[eyriq]

Idk. I’d rather just use the draft picks to enhance the roster and make a few consolidation trades rather than paying a guy like FVV at this juncture.

I get that he would be a massive upgrade, but Orlando’s first concern should be Franz and Paolo’s first big contracts before they start handing out money. There isn’t a must-win precedent right now.

There are a few guys on the roster I’d rather move before acquiring more players with large contracts.

A consolidation trade scares me. Who pulls those off successfully?

[yoyojw17]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

And this is one of the reasons why i'm not that keen on him at the price that many are willing to give up for him. "HE WON A SHIP!!!!"..... no Kawhi did. taking kawhi out of the lineup... the same team... actually probably slightly better in my opinion than before.... and FVV has not performed or elevated that "quality team"....what do people think he will do for our team? :-/ And the decline might continue. so... at $20+ million.... i would bow out on that offer.

Devin vassell talk did pique my interest though. I could see him going along the Mikal Bridges development route. Probably not as good... but I think there will be noticeable growth! Cole + Chi pick?

Vassell will cost you 4 unprotected first round picks.

Nets were offered 3 or 4 first round picks for Mikal Bridges and simply said -no.

Spurs have s*** loud of money and lack talent, they view Vassell as first peace of puzzle, i really struggle to find any logical reason why they would trade him. It's like some fans offer , i don't know, some random Heat pick and Strus for Franz. Yea... guess what would our answer be?

Cole is fine young guard but restricted FA next year, Bulls pick goes from- nothing in 2023 to 5th pick ( best case) .

If Spurs ever entertain idea for trading Vassell it would probably be:
unprotected Magic 2024 pick
Bulls 2023 or 2024 pick
unprotected 2026 pick
unprotected 2028 pick
pick swap right in 2025 or 2027

*SKIIIIIIIIIRT*

aight team.... get the grinding on these draft prospects and find the closest thing to those guys and recently Jalen Williams! lol

I remember liking him too last year. I need to look deeper into this draft.

Edit: Was checking back up on this player again and this guy makes a comparison to OG Anunoby and Jalen Williams. Sign me up! hahah

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