PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

[Dutchball97]

Things have been going quite a lot better lately here, haven't they? Maybe I have no right to talk as I was one of the main culprits but there seems to be quite a bit less hostility. Hopefully it stays that way when GOAT discussions start flaring up again because it seems like it always goes wrong whenever Jordan or LeBron gets mentioned.

[70sFan]

Things have been going quite a lot better lately here, haven't they? Maybe I have no right to talk as I was one of the main culprits but there seems to be quite a bit less hostility. Hopefully it stays that way when GOAT discussions start flaring up again because it seems like it always goes wrong whenever Jordan or LeBron gets mentioned.

I like the recent "hot takes" thread and that people don't attack each other there. The place is much better when you don't jump into Jordan and LeBron threads too much

[OhayoKD]

Things have been going quite a lot better lately here, haven't they? Maybe I have no right to talk as I was one of the main culprits but there seems to be quite a bit less hostility. Hopefully it stays that way when GOAT discussions start flaring up again because it seems like it always goes wrong whenever Jordan or LeBron gets mentioned.

I like the recent "hot takes" thread and that people don't attack each other there. The place is much better when you don't jump into Jordan and LeBron threads too much

Eh...4 different Jordan threads were created(two specifically comparing Magic and Jordan) during the last couple of days. Not sure the correlation you're seeing actually exists. Volume of Lebron/Jordan posts hasn't really shrunk.

I also am not so sure about the idea that the board is in some sort of decline...

^ Definitely feel like the Jordan vs LeBron threads have something to do with it. And I get it, if you feel strongly about the GOAT you're likely gonna be aggressive in arguing that. Come with objective data, history, game/competition context, etc... Not pseudo-analysis, name calling, trolling, baiting, etc. It's flat out childish.

You say this, but I think if we actually compared posts from that impact metrics thread(which probably sparked alot of the drama) to what was being posted months before(we can use the peaks project as an example), there's significantly more "depth", significantly more rigorous application of "evidence"(which itself has been getting cross-examined to a degree I don't think it was before). It's being treated like a big stain now, but before what was, let's be honest, a GB infiltration(ganted me saying "f-ck" a bunch didn't help", various posters were hailing the quality of discourse. And if nothing else, the posts there were probably on average the most +1'd.

Ironically, the threads with the "highest quality discussion"(by my eye, at least) tend to be the ones with GOAT-candidates or players people think should be in those conversations. The best bit of Film-break down I've seen here came from 70's in the Kareem Goat thread, the best time-machine/era-translation stuff came from the 97 mj thread(where falco also had a high quality film post). The best stat-stuff has been coming from goat related stuff and if we compare that with the discourse in say "lebron vs jordan rapm" or "all-time great playoff on/off" there's an improvement of magnitudes by my eye.

With an abundance of Jordan/Lebron topics coming up (after multiple threads were locked down), the most hostility I've seen has come from a dirk thread.

Civility may be down?(I'm actually skeptical that's true given the stuff people have told me transpired here before, ex: KG/Kobe top 100 brigading?) But there are trade-offs. And while Civility is nice, it doesn't garuntee high-quality discussion(which I think by any textual standard, there's more of now than there was half a year ago).

To that end, I think there are trade-offs with "narrow focus". Compressive responses inherently have more potential for offering new insight/information/perspective and I very much doubt the impact thread reaches it's peak(recognized by several posters) if everyone was binding themselves to a point or two. There's obviously value to honing in deeply on one topic, but there's also value in having it all come together.

And if we're going to discuss discussion itself, it should be rooted in what happens during discourse. Extrapolating a bunch from valleys will lead to a distorted assessment. How many posts are actually launching personal attacks? How many posters? How many pages of high-quality discussion do we get before things are derailed. "Jordan, Lebron, GOAT talk = bad" makes superficial sense, but I don't think it's an honest reflection of what's been happening since I've been here.

[Goudelock]

I've never really understood people who admit to hating the current game, and yet still post regularly on RealGM and apparently still consume NBA basketball.

Why not just stop watching the NBA? Certainly there has to be other sports or forms of entertainment that can make those people happier, which would be healthier than actively consuming a product they dislike.

As far as I can tell, this phenomenon only exists in sports, right? Like if Pokemon fans don't like the new Pokemon games............they just stop playing the games.

You don't play FIFA, do you...?

I'm more of a "Football Manager" guy, since I like the management side of the game way more than playing. And how else could i take Deportivo A Coruña from the third tier of Spain to champion's league, if not in FM?

You're right tho, people doe complain about sports video games all the time, but still buy the newest release every day.

[HeartBreakKid]

I've never really understood people who admit to hating the current game, and yet still post regularly on RealGM and apparently still consume NBA basketball.

Why not just stop watching the NBA? Certainly there has to be other sports or forms of entertainment that can make those people happier, which would be healthier than actively consuming a product they dislike.

As far as I can tell, this phenomenon only exists in sports, right? Like if Pokemon fans don't like the new Pokemon games............they just stop playing the games.

You don't play FIFA, do you...?

I'm more of a "Football Manager" guy, since I like the management side of the game way more than playing. And how else could i take Deportivo A Coruña from the third tier of Spain to champion's league, if not in FM?

You're right tho, people doe complain about sports video games all the time, but still buy the newest release every day.

People like to complain but also like familiarity. Takes effort also to get into new things and effort isn't something most people want to do. Actually familiarity is why these groups of people complain, their complaints are about how the game isn't how it was before. People are dumb.

The biggest hoopla about nothing is probably the play-in, which absolutely no one would have any problem with if it was established in like 1985, but it's different so people complain (even though it is relatively harmless).

It certainly exist with Pokemon and video games in general. Pokemon games are all the exact same and are poorly produced. The fan base is well aware of it, it's just habitual to buy them.

[ronnymac2]

It certainly exist with Pokemon and video games in general. Pokemon games are all the exact same and are poorly produced. The fan base is well aware of it, it's just habitual to buy them.

Pokemon Go is the epitome of this.

[Jaivl]

I've never really understood people who admit to hating the current game, and yet still post regularly on RealGM and apparently still consume NBA basketball.

Why not just stop watching the NBA? Certainly there has to be other sports or forms of entertainment that can make those people happier, which would be healthier than actively consuming a product they dislike.

As far as I can tell, this phenomenon only exists in sports, right? Like if Pokemon fans don't like the new Pokemon games............they just stop playing the games.

You don't play FIFA, do you...?

I'm more of a "Football Manager" guy, since I like the management side of the game way more than playing. And how else could i take Deportivo A Coruña from the third tier of Spain to champion's league, if not in FM?

Hey...!

[HeartBreakKid]

You don't play FIFA, do you...?

I'm more of a "Football Manager" guy, since I like the management side of the game way more than playing. And how else could i take Deportivo A Coruña from the third tier of Spain to champion's league, if not in FM?

Hey...!

btw what made you decide to pick OKC/UCLA as your teams?

[Jaivl]

I'm more of a "Football Manager" guy, since I like the management side of the game way more than playing. And how else could i take Deportivo A Coruña from the third tier of Spain to champion's league, if not in FM?

Hey...!

btw what made you decide to pick OKC/UCLA as your teams?

UCLA -> cool colors
OKC -> transferred from Seattle, which also had cool colors and Durant

[LA Bird]

Don't know how I ended up in this rabbit hole but found some fun facts about Clyde Lovellette

• The only player ever to win NCAA championship and scoring title in the same year (1952)
• Joined the NIBL instead of NBA after college, playing with Bob Kurland. He won a championship in 1953 after Kurland retired
• He then joined the NBA, playing with Mikan (54, 56), Stokes (58), Pettit (59-62), and Russell (63, 64) over the course of his career

Never heard of the NIBL before so it's surprising to find some semi big names there. Hannum also coached in that league in 59, 60 right after winning the NBA championship with the Hawks in 1958.

[penbeast0]

People like to complain but also like familiarity. Takes effort also to get into new things and effort isn't something most people want to do. Actually familiarity is why these groups of people complain, their complaints are about how the game isn't how it was before. People are dumb.

The biggest hoopla about nothing is probably the play-in, which absolutely no one would have any problem with if it was established in like 1985, but it's different so people complain (even though it is relatively harmless).

It certainly exist with Pokemon and video games in general. Pokemon games are all the exact same and are poorly produced. The fan base is well aware of it, it's just habitual to buy them.

I confess I may be atypical but I've don't own any sports video games and my objection to the playing was the same as my objection to having half the teams in the league make the playoffs. It makes the regular season too meaningless. If the regular season mattered more, you wouldn't have stars taking games off for rest; it's a bad example for the kids who look to the stars as role models.

[McBubbles]

People like to complain but also like familiarity. Takes effort also to get into new things and effort isn't something most people want to do. Actually familiarity is why these groups of people complain, their complaints are about how the game isn't how it was before. People are dumb.

The biggest hoopla about nothing is probably the play-in, which absolutely no one would have any problem with if it was established in like 1985, but it's different so people complain (even though it is relatively harmless).

It certainly exist with Pokemon and video games in general. Pokemon games are all the exact same and are poorly produced. The fan base is well aware of it, it's just habitual to buy them.

I confess I may be atypical but I've don't own any sports video games and my objection to the playing was the same as my objection to having half the teams in the league make the playoffs. It makes the regular season too meaningless. If the regular season mattered more, you wouldn't have stars taking games off for rest; it's a bad example for the kids who look to the stars as role models.

Currently a bus strike where I live so I was thinking about this fact during my 90 minute walk to and from the bank, but our societal need to want athletes to be role models is such a silly cultural artifact.

99% of high end athletes are NOT well adjusted human beings on account of them being ultra competitive, them being unhealthily, myopically focused on a single thing do the exclusion of everything else in their life and then oftentimes having a sports manufacturered silver spoon up their ass from the time they're high school age. Throw these 3 things in a blender and put in a splash of multibillionaire and what d'you know, you get some strange mofos. Imagine an autistic person with savant syndrome and a huge ego, who lives in a small town with a population of 450, who gets all their information from this town, who themselves get all their information from social media, and then telling that person to be a role model.

Someone like Kyrie is straight (Please Use More Appropriate Word) lmao. KD is pretty damn stupid and seems to have zero awareness or social understanding. LeBron is pretty gyad damn weird and narcissistic, having seemingly extremely strong (and milquetoast) political opinions with no intellectual basis, and who will just pretend to read books because he wants people to see him as an intellectual. Kobe was a pretty horrible human being. Mr "I'm too smart for the NBA cuz booksmarts is synonymous with "intelligence" Jaylen Brown is a phuckin black Israelite

Even people that (I think) most of us like from a personal standpoint like Kareem or Bill Russell were pretty gyad damn wack during their playing careers, and only chilled tf out post retirement.

Every once in awhile you'll get a Tim Duncan or a Giannis, who outside of being competitive seem to be quite normal people, even when the spotlight is on them, but when you look at the sociological factors and how sporting meta dictates who makes it to the top, wanting them to be role models is weird.

This is just basketball mind you. This schit makes even less sense when people expect an NFL player or MMA fighter or boxer to be a role model. Think about the psychological profile required for someone to excel and enjoy a job where you have to give people brain damage as. Why would I need any of them to be role models lol.

[Texas Chuck]

If the regular season mattered more, you wouldn't have stars taking games off for rest; it's a bad example for the kids who look to the stars as role models.

I'm curious if this specific issue is something kids aspire to. Because I can't imagine when I was a kid ever not playing. I played through all kinds of things I shouldn't have and I think most kids feel the same way--though I think adults are better about protecting them now.

I think there is a lot wrong with a 82 game schedule at this point, but I'd be surprised if you had a lot of kids telling their coach I need a management day. Kids want to play. And kids can go every day.

[penbeast0]

Like it or not, kids look up to those who got rich and made it out of poverty. Those people tend to be entertainers like athletes, rappers, actors, and yes, many of them are extremely poor role models to those of us who grew up with more conventional expectations but a role model is someone that you model your look, attitude, and lifestyle choices on and like it or not, athletes frequently serve that function.

[HeartBreakKid]

Like it or not, kids look up to those who got rich and made it out of poverty. Those people tend to be entertainers like athletes, rappers, actors, and yes, many of them are extremely poor role models to those of us who grew up with more conventional expectations but a role model is someone that you model your look, attitude, and lifestyle choices on and like it or not, athletes frequently serve that function.

Way more entertainers were flat out rich before becoming famous. Good luck becoming a film director coming from poverty.

Not any different in sports really. I think minorities are associated with sports and they're associated with poverty. Most athletes are definitely not from poverty or anything resembling it. Upper middle class is the norm I would think.

[Colbinii]

Is Caitlin Clark the GOAT basketball player?

[HeartBreakKid]

Is Caitlin Clark the GOAT basketball player?

If she is so good why doesn't she have a ring? HUH?

[1993Playoffs]

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[parsnips33]

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[HeartBreakKid]

Really addicted to this ChatGPT and GPT-4.

The possibilities are endless in this thing

What do you use it for?

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