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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#241 » by dckingsfan » Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:51 pm

payitforward wrote:Here's a thought for discussion...-- Mitchell Robinson is unhappy about his role on the Knicks -- no involvement in the offense.

How about Daniel Gafford to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson?

I would do that trade. Might not be a material improvement but it would be an improvement (IMO).

One question, why wouldn't he be disgruntled here?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#242 » by DCZards » Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:44 pm

payitforward wrote:Here's a thought for discussion...-- Mitchell Robinson is unhappy about his role on the Knicks -- no involvement in the offense.

How about Daniel Gafford to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson?

All else being fairly equal (as it appears to be talent wise), I’d be hard pressed to trade a guy like Gafford, who does the dirty work with little fanfare and without complaint, for a disgruntled Robinson, who would likely not have a role in the Zards offense either.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#243 » by dckingsfan » Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:42 pm

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payitforward wrote:Here's a thought for discussion...-- Mitchell Robinson is unhappy about his role on the Knicks -- no involvement in the offense.

How about Daniel Gafford to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson?

All else being fairly equal (as it appears to be talent wise), I’d be hard pressed to trade a guy like Gafford, who does the dirty work with little fanfare and without complaint, for a disgruntled Robinson, who would likely not have a role in the Zards offense either.

I also wonder who of the two would play better defensively with Porzingis. I "think" it would be Gafford, not sure about that one though.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#244 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:22 am

Good stuff, all.

I find Zards' point particularly compelling. A guy who is disgruntled on team A does have some extra likelihood to become disgruntled on team B.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#245 » by keynote » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:24 pm

A three-year plan for transforming the roster into a contender without dipping into the luxury tax...courtesy of Chat-GPT.

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To transform the Washington Wizards into a championship contender within three years without paying the luxury tax, the team would need to follow a careful plan that focuses on developing young talent while making strategic trades and signings. Here's a possible three-year plan:

Year 1:

Evaluate the current roster: The first step is to evaluate the current roster and identify the team's strengths and weaknesses. This will help the front office determine which players should be kept, which ones should be traded, and which positions need to be improved.

Develop young talent: The Wizards have some promising young players, such as Rui Hachimura and Deni Avdija. The team should focus on developing these players and giving them more playing time to help them reach their full potential.

Make smart trades: The team should look for opportunities to make smart trades that improve the roster without sacrificing long-term assets. For example, they could look to trade some of their veteran players for younger players or draft picks.

Sign affordable free agents: The team should look for affordable free agents who can contribute to the team without breaking the bank. They should focus on signing players who fit the team's needs and play style.

Year 2:

Continue developing young talent: The Wizards should continue to focus on developing their young talent, giving them more playing time and opportunities to shine.

Target specific needs: The team should identify specific needs in their roster, such as a reliable backup point guard or a strong rebounder, and look for opportunities to address these needs through trades or free agency.

Draft wisely: The team should focus on drafting players who can contribute right away or have the potential to develop into impact players in the future.

Maintain financial flexibility: The team should avoid signing expensive contracts that would hinder their ability to make future moves.

Year 3:

Focus on playoff contention: By year three, the team should be in a position to compete for a playoff spot. They should focus on making moves that help them make a deep playoff run.

Sign impact players: If there are affordable impact players available in free agency, the team should consider signing them to help take the team to the next level.

Be willing to take risks: The team should be willing to take risks to make bold moves that can help them win a championship. This could mean trading some of their young talent for a proven star player or taking on an expensive contract.

Maintain a strong team culture: Throughout the three-year plan, the team should maintain a strong team culture that emphasizes hard work, discipline, and teamwork.

By following this three-year plan, the Washington Wizards can transform their current roster into a championship contender without paying the luxury tax. The key is to focus on developing young talent while making strategic trades and signings that improve the roster without sacrificing long-term assets.


Next prompt: pease name 5 players the Wizards should specifically target for acquisition via trade or free agency

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John Collins - Power Forward: Collins is a versatile big man who can score in the post and stretch the floor with his outside shooting. He's a restricted free agent this offseason, so the Wizards would have to make a strong offer to pry him away from the Atlanta Hawks.

Derrick White - Point Guard/Shooting Guard: White is a two-way guard who can play both the point and shooting guard positions. He's a solid outside shooter and a strong defender, which would make him a good fit alongside Bradley Beal in the Wizards' backcourt. He's under contract with the San Antonio Spurs until 2024, so the Wizards would have to trade for him.

Doug McDermott - Small Forward/Power Forward: McDermott is a sharpshooting forward who can spread the floor with his outside shooting. He's an unrestricted free agent this offseason, so the Wizards could sign him to a relatively affordable contract to provide some shooting off the bench.

Jusuf Nurkic - Center: Nurkic is a skilled big man who can score in the post and provide solid rim protection on defense. He's under contract with the Portland Trail Blazers until 2023, so the Wizards would have to trade for him.

Norman Powell - Shooting Guard/Small Forward: Powell is a versatile wing player who can score from anywhere on the court. He's an unrestricted free agent this offseason, so the Wizards could sign him to a relatively affordable contract to provide some scoring off the bench.


Will trading for any of those players make the Wizards a contender?

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Acquiring any of the players I mentioned could certainly improve the Washington Wizards' chances of becoming a championship contender, but it's important to keep in mind that there are many factors that go into building a winning team. It's not just about acquiring individual players, but also about developing team chemistry, improving the coaching staff, and creating a winning culture.

That being said, John Collins, Derrick White, Jusuf Nurkic, Norman Powell, and Doug McDermott are all solid players who could contribute to the Wizards' success if they were to join the team. Collins, in particular, would provide a strong inside presence and outside shooting, while White could help improve the team's defense and playmaking. Nurkic would be a solid rim protector and rebounder, while Powell and McDermott would provide scoring off the bench.

Ultimately, whether or not the Wizards become championship contenders will depend on a variety of factors, including the development of their young players, the performance of their star players like Bradley Beal, and the moves they make in the coming years to build a winning team.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#246 » by keynote » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:30 pm

My next prompt provided the Wizards' current starting five and key bench players (I listed Deni, Kispert, Wright, and Gibson). I asked for a two-year plan to contender status:

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Transforming a team into a championship contender requires a careful and strategic approach, focusing on key areas such as player development, roster construction, and team culture. Here's a two-year plan to transform the Washington Wizards into a championship contender:

Year 1:

Develop young talent: Focus on developing Deni Advija and Corey Kispert, who have the potential to be key contributors in the future. Give them ample playing time and opportunities to develop their skills and gain experience.

Acquire a top-tier point guard: Monte Morris is a solid point guard, but the team needs a more dynamic playmaker to take their offense to the next level. Explore trade options or free agency to acquire a top-tier point guard who can create for others and take pressure off Bradley Beal.

Improve team defense: The team has some solid individual defenders, but their overall team defense needs improvement. Bring in defensive-minded players or coaches to help the team improve their defensive strategies and execution.

Year 2:

Add depth and versatility to the roster: The team needs to add depth and versatility to their roster to withstand the rigors of a long playoff run. Look for players who can contribute in multiple positions and situations.

Develop team chemistry and culture: A championship team needs to have a strong sense of team chemistry and culture. Invest in team-building activities, bring in veteran leadership, and create a positive environment where players can thrive.

Make a splash move: In the second year of the plan, make a big move to put the team over the top. This could involve trading for a star player, signing a key free agent, or making a bold move in the draft. The move should be strategic and complement the team's existing strengths and weaknesses.

Overall, the two-year plan focuses on developing young talent, improving the roster, and creating a winning team culture. With these changes, the Washington Wizards have the potential to become a championship contender in the future.


I asked for top-tier PG targets:

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Sure, here are three top-tier point guards that the Washington Wizards could consider acquiring to upgrade from Monte Morris:

Damian Lillard: The Portland Trail Blazers' star point guard has been one of the league's top scorers and playmakers for years. He would provide a huge boost to the Wizards' offense and could take some of the scoring burden off Bradley Beal.

Kyle Lowry: Lowry is a veteran point guard who has proven himself to be a leader and playmaker. He has championship experience and could provide valuable leadership and stability to the Wizards' young roster.

Mike Conley: Conley has quietly been one of the most consistent point guards in the league for years. He is a solid playmaker and defender and could provide the Wizards with stability and leadership at the point guard position.

Of course, acquiring any of these top-tier point guards would likely require a significant trade package, so the Wizards would need to carefully consider the costs and benefits of each potential trade.


Acknowledging that Chat GPT3 relies on a dated corpus (Kyle Lowry is himself a dated corpus): is Chat GPT better or worse than Shep?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#247 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:43 pm

NatP4 wrote:There’s a handful of realistic Beal trade options in the 11-19 draft slots. NOP/LA/NY/GS/Miami...

...I don’t think the Wizards will ever consider moving him...

yep, non-starter - next :D
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#248 » by NYG » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:21 am

Post-draft...

Beal and the draft rights to your '23 1st for Brandon Ingram?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#249 » by 9 and 20 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:39 am

NYG wrote:Post-draft...

Beal and the draft rights to your '23 1st for Brandon Ingram?


Sure, why not. They can have or 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 first rounders too, tbh.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#250 » by payitforward » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:14 pm

NYG wrote:Post-draft...

Beal and the draft rights to your '23 1st for Brandon Ingram?

Huh...?

Just for starters, Bradley Beal is a better player than Brandon Ingram, who hasn't had even a single good NBA season.

Here I thought you were a Knicks fan -- given that 1-sided trade ideas usually come from a team's fans, :). I guess you spread the wealth!
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#251 » by FAH1223 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:37 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#252 » by TGW » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:13 pm

Jordan Poole is a point guard just as much as Kendrick Nunn is.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#253 » by penbeast0 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:07 am

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That's a truly terrible deal. Beal for Poole would be a lot smarter since they are both small shooting guards getting big money.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#254 » by payitforward » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:55 pm

Poole had an ok year last year, but he's not even close to good this year.

"But look how many points he scores."
Riiight....
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#255 » by payitforward » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:30 pm

It's rare, extremely rare, for a trade (of players for players -- not picks) to make you better.

Everybody was absolutely certain that our trade of Dinwiddie/Davis for KP was incredibly positive, almost transformative. That it made us a far better team.

After 71 games last year our record was 30-41. This year it's 32-39.

Sadly, there is no path for this team to improve in the next few years. We'd have to luck into drafting an instant superstar in R1 this year & an instant outstanding starter in R2 this year. Then do almost as well in the '24 draft.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#256 » by DCZards » Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:54 pm

payitforward wrote:It's rare, extremely rare, for a trade (of players for players -- not picks) to make you better.

Everybody was absolutely certain that our trade of Dinwiddie/Davis for KP was incredibly positive, almost transformative. That it made us a far better team.

After 71 games last year our record was 30-41. This year it's 32-39.

Sadly, there is no path for this team to improve in the next few years. We'd have to luck into drafting an instant superstar in R1 this year & an instant outstanding starter in R2 this year. Then do almost as well in the '24 draft.

I don't recall people on this board saying that the trade for KP made the Zards "a far better team." I do recall posters saying that they liked the trade because they thought the Zards were better off with KP than they were with Dinwiddie & Davis. That's a very different--and probably accurate--opinion.

There are only a handful of NBA players who by themselves are going to make any team "far better."
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#257 » by NatP4 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:03 pm

Replace Porzingis with Giannis, and it is still a bad team.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#258 » by payitforward » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:50 pm

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payitforward wrote:It's rare, extremely rare, for a trade (of players for players -- not picks) to make you better.

Everybody was absolutely certain that our trade of Dinwiddie/Davis for KP was incredibly positive, almost transformative. That it made us a far better team.

After 71 games last year our record was 30-41. This year it's 32-39.

Sadly, there is no path for this team to improve in the next few years. We'd have to luck into drafting an instant superstar in R1 this year & an instant outstanding starter in R2 this year. Then do almost as well in the '24 draft.

I don't recall people on this board saying that the trade for KP made the Zards "a far better team." I do recall posters saying that they liked the trade because they thought the Zards were better off with KP than they were with Dinwiddie & Davis. That's a very different--and probably accurate--opinion.

There are only a handful of NBA players who by themselves are going to make any team "far better."

Fair enough. No doubt an overstatement. We could go back & look at the comments -- but so what?

My overall point remains. & you've just underlined it. It's hard to get better via a trade of player(s) A for player(s) B. (There are exceptions of course...)
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#259 » by Dat2U » Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:59 pm

payitforward wrote:Poole had an ok year last year, but he's not even close to good this year.

"But look how many points he scores."
Riiight....


He strengthens the tank. Ensures we aren't competing for anything next year and maybe it finally forces Beal to ask out.

We could also just let KP sign elsewhere if he opts out to accomplish the same goal and save ourselves from paying Poole.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#260 » by Dat2U » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:23 pm

payitforward wrote:It's rare, extremely rare, for a trade (of players for players -- not picks) to make you better.

Everybody was absolutely certain that our trade of Dinwiddie/Davis for KP was incredibly positive, almost transformative. That it made us a far better team.

After 71 games last year our record was 30-41. This year it's 32-39.

Sadly, there is no path for this team to improve in the next few years. We'd have to luck into drafting an instant superstar in R1 this year & an instant outstanding starter in R2 this year. Then do almost as well in the '24 draft.


Why play this tired game if building false narratives? Whats the end goal here? Another lame I told you so? No one saw KP as transformative. But we all recognized a talented player who was significantly better than the guys he replaced (except you, you apparently saw little different b/w Bertans & KP since both are 7-0 and dont rebound to your liking).

KP has been the best player on the Wizards roster this season (despite Beal having a solid bounce back year). KP is a big reason why we even have 32 wins. You can say its not any better than last year but I'd counter that the supporting cast is horrific and probably the worst of Shepp's tenure.

1. Todd - waisting a roster spot b/c of contract guarantees. Clearly not an NBA player.
2. Davis - was a replacement level G-league player to about a week ago
3. Huff - Carey was a waste of a roster spot that was thankfully released... only to sign this Laker reject
4. Bouyea - G-Leaguer
5. Cooks - career overseas guy. Wild he got a 4 yr deal.
6. Jackson - toolsy looking FA rookie but he's 24.
7. Nunn - corpse acquired in Hachimura deal
8. Gill - nice guy I guess. Fringe player
9. Gibson - Likely on his last deal unless Shepp wants to keep him another season
10. Goodwin - Delon clone who is unremarkable offensively but tries hard.
11. Avdija - regressed defensively, not progressed at all offensively. A significantly negative player atm.
12. Kispert - developing into a solid 8th man lol. Too low volume a shooter to really impact an offense like he should and a constant target on D. Solidly negative but shooting provides some value.

I just went through 12 guys. An NBA roster is 15 and two two-way players. The first 9 guys on the list shouldn't be playing for any NBA team but here we are. The next 3 are all solidly negative players. I suppose KP is supposed to make all these guys better?

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