2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[grumpysaddle]

Got my meniscus surgery yesterday, finally. Been injured since before CamJo had the same injury and he's been back and playing for over a month now. Healthcare system/poor people worker's comp is **** wild. Hurts like a mofo today. Let's get that W in LA tomorrow. **** the Lakers.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

[spanishninja]

Got my meniscus surgery yesterday, finally. Been injured since before CamJo had the same injury and he's been back and playing for over a month now. Healthcare system/poor people worker's comp is **** wild. Hurts like a mofo today. Let's get that W in LA tomorrow. **** the Lakers.

aww so you likely won't be able to suit up huh? could have used you!

[TOO]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They've got Williams at C, I think they are fine. They'd be better served going after a guy like Dame with Brown imo.

[Jesus_H_Macy]

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Lol. Thats not something that will ever-ever-ever happen. Ever.

All this dude would need to do to become a pretty solid role player is to stop taking shots while moving sideways. That's it. And he'd probably bump his 3% average up to 45. But he's apparently never watched any film of himself. And I guess none of the coaching staff tells him he might want to consider not doing it. Didn't catch the last game, but I think he was 3/4 on 3 when I checked the box score? Was he just spotting up?

[lilfishi22]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They'd laugh us off the phone

[sunskerr]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They'd laugh us off the phone

This lol. I don't think many teams value him on his max contract as a non shot creator. Best you can do is probably getting a decent prospect + role player back, provided there isn't any player trying to force their way off a team/threatening to leave for nothing.

[Slim Charless]

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So it's looking like:

Round 1: Clippers

I'd give us merely better than even odds against LAC. Clips have started figuring things out with Westbrook. They have great depth and matchup pretty well against us. But whomever of Booker and Durant isn't being guarded by Kawhi should score well if Westbrook's starting. And you can almost count on Westbrook making mistakes down the stretch in close games - which these would surely be.

Semifinals: Nuggets

They've struggled of late, and I don't see how they guard Durant. Ayton defends Jokic (relatively) well. They lack depth. Aaron Gordon plays well against us. They're dangerous with all their 3 point shooters, but I think we win that matchup if healthy.

WCF: ???

Doesn't look like the Warriors, Mavs or Lakers are coming together, though you can't rule them out. Grizzlies have been playing well without Ja. Though the Kings are dangerous, they're vulnerable. It's really tough to guess who makes it to the third round from that side of the bracket. If we get there, too, I have to imagine we'll be favored.

Finals: PHI or MIL maybe BOS

I'd feel better about facing Philly's foul machine than Milwaukee's. Philly v Phoenix would be a great series, but I'd give us a slight edge. The Bucks? I fear the deer. Boston might also have an edge on us due to depth, but they haven't been playing their best ball of late, so I discount the possibility.

55% x 65% x 60% x 45% = 10% chance of winning it all. Can't tell if this is optimistic or pessimistic.

Most would say optimistic.

I think the 2 teams that scare me the most, because they have the two best guys to guard KD, are the Clippers and Grizzlies (and also George for Book and Bane/Brooks/tough depth for Memphis defensively). Tyus Jones hugely underrated still, yet putting up triple doubles.

I am not sure why the Kings are vulnerable. I mean I guess you can say that about every team. The only reason I might think so is because they don't have playoff experience which usually hurts against really good teams. They'd have a tough time beating Memphis though.

Dallas will be a struggle though if healthy. People seem to write them off but they did the same thing we did in trading "role players" but I'd says moreso role players than we did, for a superstar who is about as clutch in the playoffs as can be and they have Luka who has never played with someone of that caliber. So they went all in for the championship as well after making the WCF.

Sure they haven't played the greatest lately but Luka has been out a while and so was Kyrie until the last couple games.

The Clips would be a terrible match-up for us. Not just the fact that they're deep and have finally started to figure it out but does anyone in here trust Monty to out-coach Lue? Anyone at all? Besides the #1 Monty SuperFan Jdiddy of course.

They actually have the defenders to be able to cover both Booker and KD while being able to exploit CP3's lack of defense and foot speed. I trust us against most other West teams.....except for the Clippers. That could easily mean a 1st round exit.

[Slim Charless]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They'd laugh us off the phone

This lol. I don't think many teams value him on his max contract as a non shot creator. Best you can do is probably getting a decent prospect + role player back, provided there isn't any player trying to force their way off a team/threatening to leave for nothing.

I think the obvious DA move is to ATL for Capela and Collins. They need to move those 2 guys badly and Ayton could fit well on that Hawks team. But yeah, (when) Boston moves Jaylen, to Portland would seem like a good move, or maybe that same ATL team for Trae. I'd love to have him here in exchange for Ayton, but they'll never do that.

Edit: one thing about Jaylen is he loved Ime Udoka as his coach as did Tatum. Soooooo whoever hires Ime might have a leg on signing 1 of those guys should they ever hit free agency......

[TeamTragic]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

I can see the Celtics putting together a deal for Ayton. Brown would thrive here and I know Udoka would be a proper upgrade from a coaching perspective.

[lilfishi22]

They'd laugh us off the phone

This lol. I don't think many teams value him on his max contract as a non shot creator. Best you can do is probably getting a decent prospect + role player back, provided there isn't any player trying to force their way off a team/threatening to leave for nothing.

I think the obvious DA move is to ATL for Capela and Collins. They need to move those 2 guys badly and Ayton could fit well on that Hawks team. But yeah, (when) Boston moves Jaylen, to Portland would seem like a good move, or maybe that same ATL team for Trae. I'd love to have him here in exchange for Ayton, but they'll never do that.

Edit: one thing about Jaylen is he loved Ime Udoka as his coach as did Tatum. Soooooo whoever hires Ime might have a leg on signing 1 of those guys should they ever hit free agency......

If they are down, I would certainly make that trade. A 2 for 1 deal would be a good move simply just to add depth and potentially one of those pieces could just pass through to another team so we get a guard for example. Capela is a really good C who knows his role, plays great defense and isn't going to take shots away from other shot makers.

[bwgood77]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They'd laugh us off the phone

This lol. I don't think many teams value him on his max contract as a non shot creator. Best you can do is probably getting a decent prospect + role player back, provided there isn't any player trying to force their way off a team/threatening to leave for nothing.

Even if they didn't have Robert William they'd laugh us off, but they have Robert Williams who is a premier defender and he's on a super bargain contract.

[bwgood77]

This lol. I don't think many teams value him on his max contract as a non shot creator. Best you can do is probably getting a decent prospect + role player back, provided there isn't any player trying to force their way off a team/threatening to leave for nothing.

I think the obvious DA move is to ATL for Capela and Collins. They need to move those 2 guys badly and Ayton could fit well on that Hawks team. But yeah, (when) Boston moves Jaylen, to Portland would seem like a good move, or maybe that same ATL team for Trae. I'd love to have him here in exchange for Ayton, but they'll never do that.

Edit: one thing about Jaylen is he loved Ime Udoka as his coach as did Tatum. Soooooo whoever hires Ime might have a leg on signing 1 of those guys should they ever hit free agency......

If they are down, I would certainly make that trade. A 2 for 1 deal would be a good move simply just to add depth and potentially one of those pieces could just pass through to another team so we get a guard for example. Capela is a really good C who knows his role, plays great defense and isn't going to take shots away from other shot makers.

Weird this continues to get brought up (though I think only by Slim). Not sure they'd trade Capela straight up. But we'd be taking back way too much salary. They'd have to take Shamet.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They've got Williams at C, I think they are fine. They'd be better served going after a guy like Dame with Brown imo.

Of course that's true (when he plays)! Perhaps they might consider playing them together in the frontcourt or maybe this would more logically become a three team trade wherein another team gets Ayton, Boston gets a key piece and assets? And Phoenix would get Brown? The hypothetical logistics being fluid and unknown as of yet. But getting something of solid value for Brown would certainly be better than possibly seeing him walk for nothing in unrestricted free agency (If he's being non committal) now wouldn't it?

[Slim Charless]

I think the obvious DA move is to ATL for Capela and Collins. They need to move those 2 guys badly and Ayton could fit well on that Hawks team. But yeah, (when) Boston moves Jaylen, to Portland would seem like a good move, or maybe that same ATL team for Trae. I'd love to have him here in exchange for Ayton, but they'll never do that.

Edit: one thing about Jaylen is he loved Ime Udoka as his coach as did Tatum. Soooooo whoever hires Ime might have a leg on signing 1 of those guys should they ever hit free agency......

If they are down, I would certainly make that trade. A 2 for 1 deal would be a good move simply just to add depth and potentially one of those pieces could just pass through to another team so we get a guard for example. Capela is a really good C who knows his role, plays great defense and isn't going to take shots away from other shot makers.

Weird this continues to get brought up (though I think only by Slim). Not sure they'd trade Capela straight up. But we'd be taking back way too much salary. They'd have to take Shamet.

John Collins has zero value. ZERO. 0.00% Even known Ayton haters like Jdiddy701 and KLEON would (probably) agree with me that Ayton has more value than Collins. As to Capela, he's a basic center that offers nothing on offense and is quickly losing his athleticism.

It's an even trade. IMO. You're right that they'd have to take Shamet most likely though.

[Ghost of Kleine]

They'd laugh us off the phone

This lol. I don't think many teams value him on his max contract as a non shot creator. Best you can do is probably getting a decent prospect + role player back, provided there isn't any player trying to force their way off a team/threatening to leave for nothing.

Even if they didn't have Robert William they'd laugh us off, but they have Robert Williams who is a premier defender and he's on a super bargain contract.

LOL....Could you maybe be more irrationally condescending man? I mean ..........really?? "Even if they didn't have Williams, they'd laugh us off the phone" ? And this prognostication would be based on what exactly? inside information or just random personal opinion. Obviously if they didn't have Williams (in this premise) it's fairly absurd to suggest they'd be adamantly averse to acquiring a center like Ayton for a player who might very well walk for nothing in free agency. But perhaps you're just of the opinion that Muscala, an aging Horford, or Kornet can fill that role better than Ayton could?? Aside from that.........................................

I think people might be overlooking the premise of a three way trade to facilitate such a postulation If not a direct trade? By the way, how is Williams durability been? Doesn't availability factor into value?

[Slim Charless]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They've got Williams at C, I think they are fine. They'd be better served going after a guy like Dame with Brown imo.

Of course that's true (when he plays)! Perhaps they might consider playing them together in the frontcourt or maybe this would more logically become a three team trade wherein another team gets Ayton, Boston gets a key piece and assets? And Phoenix would get Brown? The hypothetical logistics being fluid and unknown as of yet. But getting something of solid value for Brown would certainly be better than possibly seeing him walk for nothing in unrestricted free agency (If he's being non committal) now wouldn't it?

They have no need for Ayton GoK. At least at the cost of Jaylen Brown lol. You want him? Here's your path:

1) Fire Monty and hire Ime.

2) Trade Ayton into a team with space like OKC for draft picks.

3) Decline CP3 contract to free up that room and trade him for whatever.

4) Have Ime/Book/KD talk him into taking a 1+1 before the TV deal kicks in.

=Profit.

Boston isn't moving him for Ayton. They can get better and will likely try and use him to get a better player to pair with Tatum.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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IF he was mutually interested, Would you guys consider trading Ayton to Boston for Jaylen Brown? Having Brown slide into Mikal's old slot as a dominant SF option alongside of Book and Durant. As much as I like Ayton, I really think the Celts would strongly consider this due to Brown's "non committal responses" in regards to his upcoming unrestricted free agency!! And considering how much more value is placed on wing prominence over the center position! Perhaps we'd take back Muscala or Pritchard for salary matching (IF necessary)??

They'd laugh us off the phone

This lol. I don't think many teams value him on his max contract as a non shot creator. Best you can do is probably getting a decent prospect + role player back, provided there isn't any player trying to force their way off a team/threatening to leave for nothing.

You're opinions being respectfully noted man! And in fairness you possibly could be right about his max contract affecting his perceived trade value, EXCEPT it might also be important to consider the incoming cap increases (from the TV deals) that could make his contract look like a bargain should he find his consistency in a different system absent of a guard centric focus and drop coverage strategy that pulls him out of the paint and away from the rim. But ultimately, I think it's a proposal you have to consider making, whether it becomes a straight trade, or it becomes a three team premise to get Boston other pieces.

[grumpysaddle]

Got my meniscus surgery yesterday, finally. Been injured since before CamJo had the same injury and he's been back and playing for over a month now. Healthcare system/poor people worker's comp is **** wild. Hurts like a mofo today. Let's get that W in LA tomorrow. **** the Lakers.

aww so you likely won't be able to suit up huh? could have used you!

If it was the playoffs, I would fight through it! I'm load managing now.