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FuShengTHEGreat wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:In retrospect, I will say that having more shots taken near the rim & most of the scoring done by the post player did increase their shot-blocking opportunities to a large degree
Good.......I'm glad you're in agreement
mstat13shuh wrote:70sFan wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:I KNOW with 100% certainty it's true.
Based on what?
Based upon the data I've acquired from the sources I've already mentioned on this forum.
70sFan wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:70sFan wrote:Based on what?
Based upon the data I've acquired from the sources I've already mentioned on this forum.
Your sources don't have the full numbers for all players before 1974. It's silly to be "with 100% certainty" sure when you have such a fragmentary data. Your sources are very incomplete and far from 100% credibility.
mstat13shuh wrote:70sFan wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:
Based upon the data I've acquired from the sources I've already mentioned on this forum.
Your sources don't have the full numbers for all players before 1974. It's silly to be "with 100% certainty" sure when you have such a fragmentary data. Your sources are very incomplete and far from 100% credibility.
Smh well 70sFan, after all I've posted on this forum, past & present, if you still don't deem my source 100% legitimate, even with your extensive archival footage you've recently acquired from the source that I know you've acquired it from, then, I'm sorry to say, maybe there's no future hope for someone like you.
I've said this then & will repeat it here & now:
All my unofficial blocked shot data that I choose to post on either this forum, on twitter & on Quora, is with 100% honesty & accuracy.
Source: NBA Archives-Entertainment
(I mean, after all, would you like it if someone questioned your sources if you chose to post any unofficial block data that I & others like me have chosen to post?)
70sFan wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:70sFan wrote:Your sources don't have the full numbers for all players before 1974. It's silly to be "with 100% certainty" sure when you have such a fragmentary data. Your sources are very incomplete and far from 100% credibility.
Smh well 70sFan, after all I've posted on this forum, past & present, if you still don't deem my source 100% legitimate, even with your extensive archival footage you've recently acquired from the source that I know you've acquired it from, then, I'm sorry to say, maybe there's no future hope for someone like you.
I've said this then & will repeat it here & now:
All my unofficial blocked shot data that I choose to post on either this forum, on twitter & on Quora, is with 100% honesty & accuracy.
Source: NBA Archives-Entertainment
(I mean, after all, would you like it if someone questioned your sources if you chose to post any unofficial block data that I & others like me have chosen to post?)
But NBA don't know who lead the league in blocks either... They don't have all seasons from the 1960s on the tape and they don't have hidden stats. Even if they had all the stats for Wilt (they don't), it means nothing because we'd have to know block numbers from Walter Dukes and Gene Wiley as well.
mstat13shuh wrote:70sFan wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:
Smh well 70sFan, after all I've posted on this forum, past & present, if you still don't deem my source 100% legitimate, even with your extensive archival footage you've recently acquired from the source that I know you've acquired it from, then, I'm sorry to say, maybe there's no future hope for someone like you.
I've said this then & will repeat it here & now:
All my unofficial blocked shot data that I choose to post on either this forum, on twitter & on Quora, is with 100% honesty & accuracy.
Source: NBA Archives-Entertainment
(I mean, after all, would you like it if someone questioned your sources if you chose to post any unofficial block data that I & others like me have chosen to post?)
But NBA don't know who lead the league in blocks either... They don't have all seasons from the 1960s on the tape and they don't have hidden stats. Even if they had all the stats for Wilt (they don't), it means nothing because we'd have to know block numbers from Walter Dukes and Gene Wiley as well.
1. "But NBA don't know who lead the league in blocks either" Well, I believe they do, but don't wish to publicly disclose it.
2. "They don't have all seasons from the 1960s on the tape and they don't have hidden stats" Wholeheartedly disagree
3. "Even if they had all the stats for Wilt (they don't)" Well, actually, yes, they certainly do have all the stats for Wilt.
4. "It means nothing because we'd have to know block numbers from Walter Dukes and Gene Wiley as well"
Well 70sFan, for your information, I have block numbers from Walter Dukes & Gene Wiley; that is, if you're interested.
mstat13shuh wrote:1. "So you imply that the league has all games on the tape from all 1960s seasons? Back til about the mid '50s, actually.
You are not the only one who speaked with people from the NBA.
I don't believe I am the only one, however, at this point I'm convinced I do have more data than most, including, I'm sorry to say, you, are either willing and/or able to believe.
Prove me wrong." I already have, by the unofficial data I've posted on here several times.
If you of all people still haven't determined that by now, then you must've been residing in some type of cave the last few years.
2. Also, please post block numbers for Walter Dukes and Gene Wiley. If you insist:
Dukes career RS numbers
between 5.6-5.65bpg(26.3mpg)
Wiley career RS numbers
between 5.8-5.85bpg(18.9mpg)
mstat13shuh wrote:"So you don't know the exact numbers for them, which means they don't have all stats. From how many games do you have block numbers in this case?"
First of all 70sFan, I only gave you the above numbers because I thought you'd be satisfied with that.
Looks like I'm wrong here.
I could give you the seasonal data for both players if that's what you're searching for, vs career.
Second of all, they DO have all the stats, I've just only inquired primarily about seasonal data from this affiliate, vs game-by-game.
I have certain block totals for games from the 2 of them, but mostly career & seasonal numbers.
It's not that I'm uninterested in game-by-game data for the 2 of them vs someone like Wilt & Russell; I absolutely aim,
particularly Wiley, because of the shot-blocking he did in the limited minutes.
For example: I do know that Wiley's highest bpg season was his rookie season.
I would wholeheartedly love to obtain a game-by-game block total for all his games, instead of merely a subset,
but that might take somewhat longer than I'd like, yet at this point I do know it's completely possible.
FlyingScotsman wrote:I do wish the nba would release all the footage and info they have but the most annoying thing about Wilt is all the extra myths and ridiculous takes people have about him rather than letting his game speak for itself
mstat13shuh wrote:"So you don't know the exact numbers for them, which means they don't have all stats. From how many games do you have block numbers in this case?"
First of all 70sFan, I only gave you the above numbers because I thought you'd be satisfied with that.
Looks like I'm wrong here.
I could give you the seasonal data for both players if that's what you're searching for, vs career.
Second of all, they DO have all the stats, I've just only inquired primarily about seasonal data from this affiliate, vs game-by-game.
I have certain block totals for games from the 2 of them, but mostly career & seasonal numbers.
It's not that I'm uninterested in game-by-game data for the 2 of them vs someone like Wilt & Russell; I absolutely aim,
particularly Wiley, because of the shot-blocking he did in the limited minutes.
For example: I do know that Wiley's highest bpg season was his rookie season.
I would wholeheartedly love to obtain a game-by-game block total for all his games, instead of merely a subset,
but that might take somewhat longer than I'd like, yet at this point I do know it's completely possible.
70sFan wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:"So you don't know the exact numbers for them, which means they don't have all stats. From how many games do you have block numbers in this case?"
First of all 70sFan, I only gave you the above numbers because I thought you'd be satisfied with that.
Looks like I'm wrong here.
I could give you the seasonal data for both players if that's what you're searching for, vs career.
Second of all, they DO have all the stats, I've just only inquired primarily about seasonal data from this affiliate, vs game-by-game.
I have certain block totals for games from the 2 of them, but mostly career & seasonal numbers.
It's not that I'm uninterested in game-by-game data for the 2 of them vs someone like Wilt & Russell; I absolutely aim,
particularly Wiley, because of the shot-blocking he did in the limited minutes.
For example: I do know that Wiley's highest bpg season was his rookie season.
I would wholeheartedly love to obtain a game-by-game block total for all his games, instead of merely a subset,
but that might take somewhat longer than I'd like, yet at this point I do know it's completely possible.
That's fascinating. So you know block numbers for all teams of the 1960?
Smh, no; just certain data for certain players.
If so, would you like to post team numbers?
Well, which numbers would you be interested in, besides the ones I just gave you?
I want to apologize for my rude tone, but I am very sceptic about anything like that due to my own experience.
Apology 100% accepted, as I'm certain you meant no harm 70sFan, yet I still need to stand firm with the truth on something like this, even if it makes me appear like I'm on a maniacal rant or something.
I could be wrong, maybe the league has all games from all seasons... which makes it even worse given they give us nothing.
To my understanding, I was told the earliest season of complete full games(or close to it)would be Mikan's final NBA season.
penbeast0 wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:"So you don't know the exact numbers for them, which means they don't have all stats. From how many games do you have block numbers in this case?"
First of all 70sFan, I only gave you the above numbers because I thought you'd be satisfied with that.
Looks like I'm wrong here.
I could give you the seasonal data for both players if that's what you're searching for, vs career.
Second of all, they DO have all the stats, I've just only inquired primarily about seasonal data from this affiliate, vs game-by-game.
I have certain block totals for games from the 2 of them, but mostly career & seasonal numbers.
It's not that I'm uninterested in game-by-game data for the 2 of them vs someone like Wilt & Russell; I absolutely aim,
particularly Wiley, because of the shot-blocking he did in the limited minutes.
For example: I do know that Wiley's highest bpg season was his rookie season.
I would wholeheartedly love to obtain a game-by-game block total for all his games, instead of merely a subset,
but that might take somewhat longer than I'd like, yet at this point I do know it's completely possible.
We are nerds. We want minute by minute tracking of every number ever tracked and some that never have been but could have been for every player that ever played including the original Celtics and the Washington Generals.
FlyingScotsman wrote:I do wish the nba would release all the footage and info they have but the most annoying thing about Wilt is all the extra myths and ridiculous takes people have about him rather than letting his game speak for itself
mstat13shuh wrote:70sFan wrote:mstat13shuh wrote:"So you don't know the exact numbers for them, which means they don't have all stats. From how many games do you have block numbers in this case?"
First of all 70sFan, I only gave you the above numbers because I thought you'd be satisfied with that.
Looks like I'm wrong here.
I could give you the seasonal data for both players if that's what you're searching for, vs career.
Second of all, they DO have all the stats, I've just only inquired primarily about seasonal data from this affiliate, vs game-by-game.
I have certain block totals for games from the 2 of them, but mostly career & seasonal numbers.
It's not that I'm uninterested in game-by-game data for the 2 of them vs someone like Wilt & Russell; I absolutely aim,
particularly Wiley, because of the shot-blocking he did in the limited minutes.
For example: I do know that Wiley's highest bpg season was his rookie season.
I would wholeheartedly love to obtain a game-by-game block total for all his games, instead of merely a subset,
but that might take somewhat longer than I'd like, yet at this point I do know it's completely possible.
That's fascinating. So you know block numbers for all teams of the 1960?
Smh, no; just certain data for certain players.
If so, would you like to post team numbers?
Well, which numbers would you be interested in, besides the ones I just gave you?
I want to apologize for my rude tone, but I am very sceptic about anything like that due to my own experience.
Apology 100% accepted, as I'm certain you meant no harm 70sFan, yet I still need to stand firm with the truth on something like this, even if it makes me appear like I'm on a maniacal rant or something.
I could be wrong, maybe the league has all games from all seasons... which makes it even worse given they give us nothing.
To my understanding, I was told the earliest season of complete full games(or close to it)would be Mikan's final NBA season.