Is Fred VanFleet still on the agenda?

[yoyojw17]

Idk. I’d rather just use the draft picks to enhance the roster and make a few consolidation trades rather than paying a guy like FVV at this juncture.

I get that he would be a massive upgrade, but Orlando’s first concern should be Franz and Paolo’s first big contracts before they start handing out money. There isn’t a must-win precedent right now.

There are a few guys on the roster I’d rather move before acquiring more players with large contracts.

A consolidation trade scares me. Who pulls those off successfully?

when we traded for Ibak.... nevermind. lol

[VFX]

Idk. I’d rather just use the draft picks to enhance the roster and make a few consolidation trades rather than paying a guy like FVV at this juncture.

I get that he would be a massive upgrade, but Orlando’s first concern should be Franz and Paolo’s first big contracts before they start handing out money. There isn’t a must-win precedent right now.

There are a few guys on the roster I’d rather move before acquiring more players with large contracts.

A consolidation trade scares me. Who pulls those off successfully?

Isaac is basically dead money. Teams with cap space can trade someone substantial if they’d rather have the bulls pick.

[MasterGMer]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

And this is one of the reasons why i'm not that keen on him at the price that many are willing to give up for him. "HE WON A SHIP!!!!"..... no Kawhi did. taking kawhi out of the lineup... the same team... actually probably slightly better in my opinion than before.... and FVV has not performed or elevated that "quality team"....what do people think he will do for our team? :-/ And the decline might continue. so... at $20+ million.... i would bow out on that offer.

Devin vassell talk did pique my interest though. I could see him going along the Mikal Bridges development route. Probably not as good... but I think there will be noticeable growth! Cole + Chi pick?

Vassell will cost you 4 unprotected first round picks.

Nets were offered 3 or 4 first round picks for Mikal Bridges and simply said -no.

Spurs have s*** loud of money and lack talent, they view Vassell as first peace of puzzle, i really struggle to find any logical reason why they would trade him. It's like some fans offer , i don't know, some random Heat pick and Strus for Franz. Yea... guess what would our answer be?

Cole is fine young guard but restricted FA next year, Bulls pick goes from- nothing in 2023 to 5th pick ( best case) .

If Spurs ever entertain idea for trading Vassell it would probably be:
unprotected Magic 2024 pick
Bulls 2023 or 2024 pick
unprotected 2026 pick
unprotected 2028 pick
pick swap right in 2025 or 2027

Nets was offered 5 First Round Picks for Mikal Bridges.

I didn't even get to know a player like Vassell until you guys kept brining it up. No way that is going to happen

[cedric76]

i find Raptors confusing, there is no logical reason why they aren't 50-wins team.

They objectivlly have like 7 men that are all good to great basketball players. ( and wtf happened to Will Barton? Jesus...)

And this is one of the reasons why i'm not that keen on him at the price that many are willing to give up for him. "HE WON A SHIP!!!!"..... no Kawhi did. taking kawhi out of the lineup... the same team... actually probably slightly better in my opinion than before.... and FVV has not performed or elevated that "quality team"....what do people think he will do for our team? :-/ And the decline might continue. so... at $20+ million.... i would bow out on that offer.

Devin vassell talk did pique my interest though. I could see him going along the Mikal Bridges development route. Probably not as good... but I think there will be noticeable growth! Cole + Chi pick?

Vassell will cost you 4 unprotected first round picks.

Nets were offered 3 or 4 first round picks for Mikal Bridges and simply said -no.

Spurs have s*** loud of money and lack talent, they view Vassell as first peace of puzzle, i really struggle to find any logical reason why they would trade him. It's like some fans offer , i don't know, some random Heat pick and Strus for Franz. Yea... guess what would our answer be?

Cole is fine young guard but restricted FA next year, Bulls pick goes from- nothing in 2023 to 5th pick ( best case) .

If Spurs ever entertain idea for trading Vassell it would probably be:
unprotected Magic 2024 pick
Bulls 2023 or 2024 pick
unprotected 2026 pick
unprotected 2028 pick
pick swap right in 2025 or 2027

Lol, trams are done trading unprotected draft picks, this is Why bridges and snobby didn't get traded, they were offered protected picks which is not the same

If we land the 2nd pick in 2023, SA would jump on the phone to work on a vassell deal

[pepe1991]

And this is one of the reasons why i'm not that keen on him at the price that many are willing to give up for him. "HE WON A SHIP!!!!"..... no Kawhi did. taking kawhi out of the lineup... the same team... actually probably slightly better in my opinion than before.... and FVV has not performed or elevated that "quality team"....what do people think he will do for our team? :-/ And the decline might continue. so... at $20+ million.... i would bow out on that offer.

Devin vassell talk did pique my interest though. I could see him going along the Mikal Bridges development route. Probably not as good... but I think there will be noticeable growth! Cole + Chi pick?

Vassell will cost you 4 unprotected first round picks.

Nets were offered 3 or 4 first round picks for Mikal Bridges and simply said -no.

Spurs have s*** loud of money and lack talent, they view Vassell as first peace of puzzle, i really struggle to find any logical reason why they would trade him. It's like some fans offer , i don't know, some random Heat pick and Strus for Franz. Yea... guess what would our answer be?

Cole is fine young guard but restricted FA next year, Bulls pick goes from- nothing in 2023 to 5th pick ( best case) .

If Spurs ever entertain idea for trading Vassell it would probably be:
unprotected Magic 2024 pick
Bulls 2023 or 2024 pick
unprotected 2026 pick
unprotected 2028 pick
pick swap right in 2025 or 2027

Lol, trams are done trading unprotected draft picks, this is Why bridges and snobby didn't get traded, they were offered protected picks which is not the same

If we land the 2nd pick in 2023, SA would jump on the phone to work on a vassell deal

“I know of one team, and I’ve confirmed this,” said Zach Lowe on his podcast. “I know of one team who offered four first round picks for Mikal Bridges. Now, I know of at least three first round picks. I think the fourth one may have had some protections or something, but I’m pretty sure that was a thing.”

12 days ago

[cedric76]

Vassell will cost you 4 unprotected first round picks.

Nets were offered 3 or 4 first round picks for Mikal Bridges and simply said -no.

Spurs have s*** loud of money and lack talent, they view Vassell as first peace of puzzle, i really struggle to find any logical reason why they would trade him. It's like some fans offer , i don't know, some random Heat pick and Strus for Franz. Yea... guess what would our answer be?

Cole is fine young guard but restricted FA next year, Bulls pick goes from- nothing in 2023 to 5th pick ( best case) .

If Spurs ever entertain idea for trading Vassell it would probably be:
unprotected Magic 2024 pick
Bulls 2023 or 2024 pick
unprotected 2026 pick
unprotected 2028 pick
pick swap right in 2025 or 2027

Lol, trams are done trading unprotected draft picks, this is Why bridges and snobby didn't get traded, they were offered protected picks which is not the same

If we land the 2nd pick in 2023, SA would jump on the phone to work on a vassell deal

“I know of one team, and I’ve confirmed this,” said Zach Lowe on his podcast. “I know of one team who offered four first round picks for Mikal Bridges. Now, I know of at least three first round picks. I think the fourth one may have had some protections or something, but I’m pretty sure that was a thing.”

12 days ago

1st , this is Zach Lowe, so it s just hearsay, and 4 future 1st from a Top 6 NBA teams are not as good as ORL 2023 FRP


4 draft prospects in the 25-30 range is <<<<<<<< Top 5 pick

Pepe, please stop peping

[pepe1991]

Lol, trams are done trading unprotected draft picks, this is Why bridges and snobby didn't get traded, they were offered protected picks which is not the same

If we land the 2nd pick in 2023, SA would jump on the phone to work on a vassell deal

“I know of one team, and I’ve confirmed this,” said Zach Lowe on his podcast. “I know of one team who offered four first round picks for Mikal Bridges. Now, I know of at least three first round picks. I think the fourth one may have had some protections or something, but I’m pretty sure that was a thing.”

12 days ago

1st , this is Zach Lowe, so it s just hearsay, and 4 future 1st from a Top 6 NBA teams are not as good as ORL 2023 FRP


4 draft prospects in the 25-30 range is <<<<<<<< Top 5 pick

Pepe, please stop peping

When your claim gets debunked you pretend it never happened?

Where execlly it was said that any of "top 6 teams" offered picks? Nice way to make crap up.

4 draft prospects in the 25-30 range is <<<<<<<< Top 5 pick

So you fabricated lie and than started to live in it? Amazing

Also Kevin Durant was traded for- unprotected picks- 20 days ago.
Jakob Poetltl- traded for top 6 protected first round pick
Kyrie Irving- traded for players and... unprotected pick

Trades that happened less than year ago:
Rudy Gobert- 3 unprotected picks
Dejonte Murray- 3 first round picks, 2 unprotected


But hey, according to cedric, "nobody trades first round picks any more"

[drsd]

[ogmagicfan]

Mikal Bridges would easily go for 4 1st rounders, only thing is the team that offered it (Grizz) are one of the youngest teams, theyre led by their young players (Ja, Bane, JJJ) and have had continued playoff success. Even when Ja is out they can win alot of games.

Outside of the Celtics, there isn't another team whose unprotected 1st rounders are less valuable than the Grizz.

4 of their unprotected 1st aren't as valuable as our 2 1st rounders this season

[basketballRob]

I heard that the picks were offered to the Suns and not the Nets.

It's possible we do a consolidation trade, but maybe not until next season.

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[cedric76]

12 days ago

1st , this is Zach Lowe, so it s just hearsay, and 4 future 1st from a Top 6 NBA teams are not as good as ORL 2023 FRP


4 draft prospects in the 25-30 range is <<<<<<<< Top 5 pick

Pepe, please stop peping

When your claim gets debunked you pretend it never happened?

Where execlly it was said that any of "top 6 teams" offered picks? Nice way to make crap up.

4 draft prospects in the 25-30 range is <<<<<<<< Top 5 pick

So you fabricated lie and than started to live in it? Amazing

Also Kevin Durant was traded for- unprotected picks- 20 days ago.
Jakob Poetltl- traded for top 6 protected first round pick
Kyrie Irving- traded for players and... unprotected pick

Trades that happened less than year ago:
Rudy Gobert- 3 unprotected picks
Dejonte Murray- 3 first round picks, 2 unprotected


But hey, according to cedric, "nobody trades first round picks any more"

Pepe peping as usual

Bottom teams don't trade multiple unprotected FRP, contenders do.

So if you think 4 late firsts are better than a top 5 pick, you better stay in pepe s World

[basketballRob]

1st , this is Zach Lowe, so it s just hearsay, and 4 future 1st from a Top 6 NBA teams are not as good as ORL 2023 FRP


4 draft prospects in the 25-30 range is <<<<<<<< Top 5 pick

Pepe, please stop peping

When your claim gets debunked you pretend it never happened?

Where execlly it was said that any of "top 6 teams" offered picks? Nice way to make crap up.

4 draft prospects in the 25-30 range is <<<<<<<< Top 5 pick

So you fabricated lie and than started to live in it? Amazing

Also Kevin Durant was traded for- unprotected picks- 20 days ago.
Jakob Poetltl- traded for top 6 protected first round pick
Kyrie Irving- traded for players and... unprotected pick

Trades that happened less than year ago:
Rudy Gobert- 3 unprotected picks
Dejonte Murray- 3 first round picks, 2 unprotected


But hey, according to cedric, "nobody trades first round picks any more"

Pepe peping as usual

Bottom teams don't trade multiple unprotected FRP, contenders do.

So if you think 4 late firsts are better than a top 5 pick, you better stay in pepe s World

Good point. Usually, only teams that plan on making the playoffs for several years trade multiple picks. We're one or two years away.

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[pepe1991]

When your claim gets debunked you pretend it never happened?

Where execlly it was said that any of "top 6 teams" offered picks? Nice way to make crap up.


So you fabricated lie and than started to live in it? Amazing

Also Kevin Durant was traded for- unprotected picks- 20 days ago.
Jakob Poetltl- traded for top 6 protected first round pick
Kyrie Irving- traded for players and... unprotected pick

Trades that happened less than year ago:
Rudy Gobert- 3 unprotected picks
Dejonte Murray- 3 first round picks, 2 unprotected


But hey, according to cedric, "nobody trades first round picks any more"

Pepe peping as usual

Bottom teams don't trade multiple unprotected FRP, contenders do.

So if you think 4 late firsts are better than a top 5 pick, you better stay in pepe s World

Good point. Usually, only teams that plan on making the playoffs for several years trade multiple picks. We're one or two years away.

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4 unprotected picks mean : 2023,2025,2027 and 2029 timespan. And you are here , sitting, with straight face, claiming you have any clue who will be top tear contenders and who will be bottom feeders in 2025 let alone 2027 and 2029 to determine witch pick is more valuable than other?

4 out of 6 top 3 teams from three years ago are bound to miss playoffs of play in playin tournament.

This is objectivlly most outrageus, silly, out of touch comment somebody here ever replyed to me. Fact that you think you know that some random Bucks 2029 picks is " way less valuable" than Magic pick 6 years in advance is epic. For all the wrong reasons.

Also you claimed "nobody" trades uprotected picks, because you forgot several were traded 12 days ago

[Skybox]

*problem with trading protected picks is that (due to them possibly not conveying) they tie up future picks and limit your other moves.

Bridges is no superstar...FVV is also no superstar. But I still value proven players over mysterious mythical value of most picks outside of Top 2. Really, what player value is equivalent to our DEN 25 pick...even if they sink a bit, it's going to be in the twenties. I'd give up 4 picks with Top 2 protection for Bridges in a heartbeat, especially if we can package salary of Fultz and/or Isaac with it. BRK probably holds on to Bridges-why trade a sub-star, potential All-Star, definitely reliable 3&D starter for next decade for a bunch of ???

[basketballRob]

Pepe peping as usual

Bottom teams don't trade multiple unprotected FRP, contenders do.

So if you think 4 late firsts are better than a top 5 pick, you better stay in pepe s World

Good point. Usually, only teams that plan on making the playoffs for several years trade multiple picks. We're one or two years away.

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4 unprotected picks mean : 2023,2025,2027 and 2029 timespan. And you are here , sitting, with straight face, claiming you have any clue who will be top tear contenders and who will be bottom feeders in 2025 let alone 2027 and 2029 to determine witch pick is more valuable than other?

4 out of 6 top 3 teams from three years ago are bound to miss playoffs of play in playin tournament.

This is objectivlly most outrageus, silly, out of touch comment somebody here ever replyed to me. Fact that you think you know that some random Bucks 2029 picks is " way less valuable" than Magic pick 6 years in advance is epic. For all the wrong reasons.

Also you claimed "nobody" trades uprotected picks, because you forgot several were traded 12 days ago

Chicago thought they'd be in the playoffs, and it looks like they'll end up giving us two lottery picks. It's not an exact science.

The one thing that teams that trade picks have in common is they're spending as much as they can to win. We're a couple of years away from reaching that point.

Also, I can't ever remember a team spending several draft picks when they have like 40% of their cap available.

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[cedric76]

Pepe peping as usual

Bottom teams don't trade multiple unprotected FRP, contenders do.

So if you think 4 late firsts are better than a top 5 pick, you better stay in pepe s World

Good point. Usually, only teams that plan on making the playoffs for several years trade multiple picks. We're one or two years away.

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4 unprotected picks mean : 2023,2025,2027 and 2029 timespan. And you are here , sitting, with straight face, claiming you have any clue who will be top tear contenders and who will be bottom feeders in 2025 let alone 2027 and 2029 to determine witch pick is more valuable than other?

4 out of 6 top 3 teams from three years ago are bound to miss playoffs of play in playin tournament.

This is objectivlly most outrageus, silly, out of touch comment somebody here ever replyed to me. Fact that you think you know that some random Bucks 2029 picks is " way less valuable" than Magic pick 6 years in advance is epic. For all the wrong reasons.

Also you claimed "nobody" trades uprotected picks, because you forgot several were traded 12 days ago

Pepe, peping again, nothing was traded 12 days ago as trade deadline was over a month ago.

And who was the bottom team trading multiple unprotected FRP?

Yeah exactly, none.

Please stop peping

[pepe1991]

Good point. Usually, only teams that plan on making the playoffs for several years trade multiple picks. We're one or two years away.

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4 unprotected picks mean : 2023,2025,2027 and 2029 timespan. And you are here , sitting, with straight face, claiming you have any clue who will be top tear contenders and who will be bottom feeders in 2025 let alone 2027 and 2029 to determine witch pick is more valuable than other?

4 out of 6 top 3 teams from three years ago are bound to miss playoffs of play in playin tournament.

This is objectivlly most outrageus, silly, out of touch comment somebody here ever replyed to me. Fact that you think you know that some random Bucks 2029 picks is " way less valuable" than Magic pick 6 years in advance is epic. For all the wrong reasons.

Also you claimed "nobody" trades uprotected picks, because you forgot several were traded 12 days ago

Pepe, peping again, nothing was traded 12 days ago as trade deadline was over a month ago.

And who was the bottom team trading multiple unprotected FRP?

Yeah exactly, none.

Please stop peping

nba.com front page February 9th, 2023.

[pepe1991]

Good point. Usually, only teams that plan on making the playoffs for several years trade multiple picks. We're one or two years away.

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4 unprotected picks mean : 2023,2025,2027 and 2029 timespan. And you are here , sitting, with straight face, claiming you have any clue who will be top tear contenders and who will be bottom feeders in 2025 let alone 2027 and 2029 to determine witch pick is more valuable than other?

4 out of 6 top 3 teams from three years ago are bound to miss playoffs of play in playin tournament.

This is objectivlly most outrageus, silly, out of touch comment somebody here ever replyed to me. Fact that you think you know that some random Bucks 2029 picks is " way less valuable" than Magic pick 6 years in advance is epic. For all the wrong reasons.

Also you claimed "nobody" trades uprotected picks, because you forgot several were traded 12 days ago

Chicago thought they'd be in the playoffs, and it looks like they'll end up giving us two lottery picks. It's not an exact science.

The one thing that teams that trade picks have in common is they're spending as much as they can to win. We're a couple of years away from reaching that point.

Also, I can't ever remember a team spending several draft picks when they have like 40% of their cap available.

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I had no intention to reply to you, it was just you who piggy banked on , for no reason as you jumped in for no raeson nor added anything new to conversation.
He claimed unprotected picks don't get traded any more. Several of them were traded less than two weeks ago.

He also flat out lied /fabricated /made up claim than elected to live in it to make narrative that he made /lied/fabricated. And i called him up on that.

Nobody said Magic should trade unprotected picks, that wasn't even a talking point. Point was claim that "nobody trades unprotected picks". And that's simply not true, as i've stated, proved, several times today alone. And it's not me that need to "prove " anything, Cedric is probably grown up enough to use google search if he is interested in looking less foolish in future. But he isn't. His posts always look like they are made by 7 years old who stole mom's mobile phone.

[VFX]

This is a dumb argument.

Suns were close to being a finals team already. Trading a bunch of unprotected late picks for a chance at a championship isn’t necessarily a ‘risk’. They are stacked at every position basically.

Cavaliers made more of a risk because they’ve proven nothing. It could totally blow up in their faces if injuries become commonplace (see Clippers).

You only make those kind of moves when you know what you have is capable of competing.

Orlando isn’t in that position. They aren’t a free agent destination and they need to prove they can win games first with a team built through the draft.

[drsd]

Bottom teams don't trade multiple unprotected FRP, contenders do.

So if you think 4 late firsts are better than a top 5 pick, you better stay in pepe s World

My argument is that Orlando neither needs a top-5 nor multiple low 1sts. This team needs quality veteran players.

If the Magic traded some picks to get VanVleet and a shooting SG, good.


My chatGPT thought of the day.


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And real ChatGPT: question "Explain the Orlando Magic in simple terms"

Answer: "History is temporarily unavailable"

Then the reload answer:

The Orlando Magic is a professional basketball team based in Orlando, Florida. They play in the NBA, which is the highest level of basketball in North America. The team was founded in 1989 and has had some successful seasons in the past, including making it to the NBA Finals in 1995 and 2009. They play their home games at the Amway Center, which is located in downtown Orlando. The team's colors are blue, black, silver, and white, and their mascot is a blue dragon named Stuff.

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