Scoot Henderson

[JMAC3]

and why going OTE is the worst strategy right now. Thompson twins were the best players in the league, won all but 1 game, won MVP, won Finals MVP. Both hit game winners in the finals (2 game winners in 3 games) and people still write them off because they played vs 'weak competition".

[Big J]

All of these guys have negatives that warrant discussion. Naturally the weaknesses of the top 5 picks are going to get discussed to a greater extent. If we all just raved about the top 5's strengths there would be nothing interesting to talk about. What don't you understand about this?

[Big J]

Did you guys know that Roddy Beaubois had a 6'10 wingspan? I guess that means he wasn't a "small guard".

[clyde21]

Lol what is your big board? I feel like you have given no real takes. Except you call out everyone else...

I have explained everything over and over again when you call me out. No matter how much you try to twist my words.

I have also given my ranks of Scoot, why I have him below guys and why above others.... multiple times. What is your top 14?

you haven't explained anything - you say one thing in one thread and a different thing in a different thread depending on the prospect, you throw around arbitrary lines and metrics to try and prop up your hot takes, when you got called out on having Scoot in the your top 5 your only explanation was that 'he's an above average athlete and an above average playmaker', but spend the rest of your time talking about how crap of a prospect he is.

again, man up and tell us where you really have him ranked, because there is way he should be ranked in your top 5 based on all the negatives you think you outlined on him.

and you must be new here - my BBs have been posted half a dozen times on this board and you can go to the mock draft section and see it any time you want big guy.

Maybe send some links, I did a quick search and saw one big board post from feb 6th, is that still accurate?

Also, I have really talked about maybe 5 prospects on this board. Scoot, Thompson twins, Miller and JHS. I have already mentioned I have Scoot over Jett, JHS, Keyonte and Wallace. Do you need me to go into the negatives on every prospect I have ranked below Scoot so you feel validated?

If you really need me to dumb it down for you so you can process it all in one sitting.

Wemby- elite prospect on both ends. Vs Scoot probably only having elite upside on offensive end and mediocre defensive tools.
Miller- elite shooting, elite scoring performances, shows more versatility off the bounce then other guys his size in the class (GG, Jett, Dick, Whitmore, Walker) and plays a premium position with a lot of long-term versatility.
Thompson twins-are bigger and have more defensive upside and I think similar shooting struggles Scoot has. If both parties fix shot I would prefer the size and versatility. That is 4 above Scoot.

Wow and just like that Scoot is 5th ahead of the rest of the class. What is so hard to grasp with that?

I still have him over Walker, Whitmore and NSJ. It is not like I have said I have him 15th lol

there is literally a pre-march madness thread where everyone posted our big boards, it's not hard to find, or you can, and I know this is crazy, click on the 'Mock Draft' section of this board where everyone posts there's.

but noticed you haven't posted yours despite trying to flex nuts...not that I give two **** about your BB, doesn't seem you have a coherent ruleset or base principles you go by, so it doesn't matter to me...just want you to put your money where your mouth is when it comes to Scoot.

and it's a simple **** question: why is Scoot ahead of the rest of the class? you mentioned he's above average athletically and above average playmaker. is that all it takes to be ranked 5th overall in this class? in that's the case why isn't Cason Wallace ranked 5th, or Mintz? or even your boy JHS?

at least some level of coherence in your next post would be appreciated.

[Big J]

He's explained it like 5 different times bro. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean he needs to keep doing it.

[Hal14]

Earlier in the thread I think someone mentioned that perhaps they shut down Scoot so his 3 pt % didn't get even lower.

They may have actually been right.

-Over his last 9 games he shot 3/14 (21%) from 3
-Over his last 20 games, he shot 27% 14/52) from 3

Some more eye opening stats:

Scoot's PER, TS% and Net rating all went down from 2022 season to 2023 season.

His PER is only 14, TS% is only 54% and Net rating is -20.6. Yikes!

Miller is way bigger, much better shooter. And has a net rating of +30.3.

Miller's Net rating is 50.9 points higher than Scoot's..

Youre comparing stats from two different leagues. Scoot doesnt get to play against the likes of Longwood, South Alabama, Jacksonville State, South Dakota State, Jackson State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, LSU and so on.

Also Scoot plays on a not so good Ignite team, while Miller gets to play on the most stacked college team in the country.

I dont even hate the Miller going #2 talk, Im actually most likely there myself. But trying to compare Scoots stats especially things like Net Rating to Miller's makes zero sense.

Sure. Scoot has faced better comp and has more talent on his team, relative to the amount of talent on the teams he's going against.

But a 50.9 point difference in net rating? C'mon now.

Leonard miller has a -3.8 net rating. He might not even go in the 1st round. Scoot's net rating is -20.6.

[JMAC3]

there is literally a pre-march madness thread where everyone posted our big boards, it's not hard to find, or you can, and I know this is crazy, click on the 'Mock Draft' section of this board where everyone posts there's.

but noticed you haven't posted yours despite trying to flex nuts...not that I give two **** about your BB, doesn't seem you have a coherent ruleset or base principles you go by, so it doesn't matter to me...just want you to put your money where your mouth is when it comes to Scoot.

and it's a simple **** question: why is Scoot ahead of the rest of the class? you mentioned he's above average athletically and above average playmaker. is that all it takes to be ranked 5th overall in this class? in that's the case why isn't Cason Wallace ranked 5th, or Mintz? or even your boy JHS?

at least some level of coherence in your next post would be appreciated.

Yeah, I saw zero of your mocks in the "Mock Draft" section unless you have multi accounts. And yes you posted a big board in the pre-march madness thread on Feb 6th. Are you saying your board hasn't changed in the last 6 weeks? That seems like take lock if true with all the additional information presented daily.

Cason Wallace vs Scoot? I actually like Cason jumper a lot more. He has incredible balance throughout the shot and I really like his defensive upside as a disruptor. I have Scoot over him though because of Cason inconsistencies. He has 13 games with single digit performances and most of those are on the backs of awful awful shooting performances. Whereas at least with Scoot he usually figures out a way to get 14 points even if it isn't pretty. When it is bad for Cason, it is real bad.

JHS vs Scoot? JHS has a better jumper for sure and I like his upside with size and defense, but Scoot is a better distributor and has an extra gear with the ball in his hands. Scoot is also younger and more NBA ready year 1 as guy that can come in be a starter, JHS probably needs to figure out his role and strengths a bit more. Both shoot way too many midrange shots though.

[SeattleJazzFan]

and why going OTE is the worst strategy right now. Thompson twins were the best players in the league, won all but 1 game, won MVP, won Finals MVP. Both hit game winners in the finals (2 game winners in 3 games) and people still write them off because they played vs 'weak competition".

um, there is a still a good chance at least one of them will be a top 4 pick.

[JMAC3]

and why going OTE is the worst strategy right now. Thompson twins were the best players in the league, won all but 1 game, won MVP, won Finals MVP. Both hit game winners in the finals (2 game winners in 3 games) and people still write them off because they played vs 'weak competition".

um, there is a still a good chance at least one of them will be a top 4 pick.

Oh for sure, but plenty of people have them outside their top 15. Yet if you whisper Scoot might be 3rd or 4th you might as well have said he couldn't start in WNBA.

[Hal14]

G league stats for each player before getting drafted. In Chandler and Davison's case, it's this season's g league stats. Yes, they already got drafted but they are only a year older than Scoot and they were only 2nd round picks - so Scoot's numbers should be much better if he's a top 2 pick...right?

Also added John Jenkins so we have another guard from this year's Ignite team, for comparison..yes, he's 32 but he was never able to really make it in the NBA so Scoot should have much better numbers if he's a top 2 pick, right?

Players listed in order of best to worst net rating. Those are minus signs in front of everyone's net rating so a -3.7 is much better than a -20.6

Player Net Rating PER TS%
Jacob Gilyard 15.1 15.9 60.9
JD Davison -3.7 13.6 59.4
Marjon Beauchamp -3.7 14.2 59.1
Leonard Miller -3.8 19.8 63.3
Dyson Daniels -8.6 8.4 50
John Jenkins -11.4 16.5 61.9
Michael Foster Jr -11.6 15.8 55.2
Pooh Jeter -15.6 12.1 58.7
Kennedy Chandler -16.8 12.3 51.7
Sidy Cissoko -18.7 10.8 57.6
Scoot Henderson -20.6 14.7 54.9
Mojave King -21.6 8.9 54.8
Jaden Hardy -24.3 9.9 50

[The-Power]

G league stats for each player before getting drafted. In Chandler and Davison's case, it's this season's g league stats. Yes, they already got drafted but they are only a year older than Scoot and they were only 2nd round picks - so Scoot's numbers should be much better if he's a top 2 pick...right?

Also added John Jenkins so we have another guard from this year's Ignite team, for comparison..yes, he's 32 but he was never able to really make it in the NBA so Scoot should have much better numbers if he's a top 2 pick, right?

Players listed in order of best to worst net rating. Those are minus signs in front of everyone's net rating so a -3.7 is much better than a -20.6

Player Net Rating PER TS%
JD Davison -3.7 13.6 59.4
Marjon Beauchamp -3.7 14.2 59.1
Leonard Miller -3.8 19.8 63.3
Dyson Daniels -8.6 8.4 50
John Jenkins -11.4 16.5 61.9
Michael Foster Jr -11.6 15.8 55.2
Kennedy Chandler -16.8 12.3 51.7
Sidy Cissoko -18.7 10.8 57.6
Scoot Henderson -20.6 14.7 54.9
Mojave King -21.6 8.9 54.8
Jaden Hardy -24.3 9.9 50

Where did you get these numbers from?

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/team/1612709930/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Scoot's net rating is -2.6. Sissoko's -2.4. Miller's -3.7.

[Hal14]

G league stats for each player before getting drafted. In Chandler and Davison's case, it's this season's g league stats. Yes, they already got drafted but they are only a year older than Scoot and they were only 2nd round picks - so Scoot's numbers should be much better if he's a top 2 pick...right?

Also added John Jenkins so we have another guard from this year's Ignite team, for comparison..yes, he's 32 but he was never able to really make it in the NBA so Scoot should have much better numbers if he's a top 2 pick, right?

Players listed in order of best to worst net rating. Those are minus signs in front of everyone's net rating so a -3.7 is much better than a -20.6

Player Net Rating PER TS%
JD Davison -3.7 13.6 59.4
Marjon Beauchamp -3.7 14.2 59.1
Leonard Miller -3.8 19.8 63.3
Dyson Daniels -8.6 8.4 50
John Jenkins -11.4 16.5 61.9
Michael Foster Jr -11.6 15.8 55.2
Kennedy Chandler -16.8 12.3 51.7
Sidy Cissoko -18.7 10.8 57.6
Scoot Henderson -20.6 14.7 54.9
Mojave King -21.6 8.9 54.8
Jaden Hardy -24.3 9.9 50

Where did you get these numbers from?

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/team/1612709930/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Scoot's net rating is -2.6. Sissoko's -2.4. Miller's -3.7.

RealGM - and made sure to scroll down to the "full season" section. Took their offensive rating and minused the defensive rating to get net rating.

I clicked that link you posted - it shows only 19 games for Scoot. But he actually played in 25 games. See:
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Scoot-Henderson/Summary/151559

[clyde21]

not sure how RealGM is calc iits NETRT, Scoot's 4th on GLI after Mika, Graves and Sissoko.

this thread continues to be gold tho.

[The-Power]

G league stats for each player before getting drafted. In Chandler and Davison's case, it's this season's g league stats. Yes, they already got drafted but they are only a year older than Scoot and they were only 2nd round picks - so Scoot's numbers should be much better if he's a top 2 pick...right?

Also added John Jenkins so we have another guard from this year's Ignite team, for comparison..yes, he's 32 but he was never able to really make it in the NBA so Scoot should have much better numbers if he's a top 2 pick, right?

Players listed in order of best to worst net rating. Those are minus signs in front of everyone's net rating so a -3.7 is much better than a -20.6

Player Net Rating PER TS%
JD Davison -3.7 13.6 59.4
Marjon Beauchamp -3.7 14.2 59.1
Leonard Miller -3.8 19.8 63.3
Dyson Daniels -8.6 8.4 50
John Jenkins -11.4 16.5 61.9
Michael Foster Jr -11.6 15.8 55.2
Kennedy Chandler -16.8 12.3 51.7
Sidy Cissoko -18.7 10.8 57.6
Scoot Henderson -20.6 14.7 54.9
Mojave King -21.6 8.9 54.8
Jaden Hardy -24.3 9.9 50

Where did you get these numbers from?

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/team/1612709930/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Scoot's net rating is -2.6. Sissoko's -2.4. Miller's -3.7.

RealGM - and made sure to scroll down to the "full season" section. Took their offensive rating and minused the defensive rating to get net rating.

I clicked that link you posted but got a blank page with no stats.

Those are boxscore-derived metrics and not actual on-court ratings. If you want on-court ratings, you must go to the respective G-League stats section and select ‘advanced’.

[Braggins]

Spoiler:

G league stats for each player before getting drafted. In Chandler and Davison's case, it's this season's g league stats. Yes, they already got drafted but they are only a year older than Scoot and they were only 2nd round picks - so Scoot's numbers should be much better if he's a top 2 pick...right?

Also added John Jenkins so we have another guard from this year's Ignite team, for comparison..yes, he's 32 but he was never able to really make it in the NBA so Scoot should have much better numbers if he's a top 2 pick, right?

Players listed in order of best to worst net rating. Those are minus signs in front of everyone's net rating so a -3.7 is much better than a -20.6

Player Net Rating PER TS%
JD Davison -3.7 13.6 59.4
Marjon Beauchamp -3.7 14.2 59.1
Leonard Miller -3.8 19.8 63.3
Dyson Daniels -8.6 8.4 50
John Jenkins -11.4 16.5 61.9
Michael Foster Jr -11.6 15.8 55.2
Kennedy Chandler -16.8 12.3 51.7
Sidy Cissoko -18.7 10.8 57.6
Scoot Henderson -20.6 14.7 54.9
Mojave King -21.6 8.9 54.8
Jaden Hardy -24.3 9.9 50

Where did you get these numbers from?

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/team/1612709930/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Scoot's net rating is -2.6. Sissoko's -2.4. Miller's -3.7.

nba.com has it at -1.4 if you include the showcase

[Duke4life831]

I mean are we really doing this whole teenager Net Rating from the G League thing right now?

Jalen Green's Net Rating in the G League was -7.7
Kuminga's Net Rating in the G League was -6.2

Its not currently showing last year's advanced stats, but Im sure Dyson Daniels had a negative Net Rating as well. And Im going to go out on a limb and predict Matas Buzelis will have a negative Net Rating next year.

Its almost like a young straight out of high school focused G League team is going to struggle against other G League teams. Crazy to think about...

[Hal14]

I mean are we really doing this whole teenager Net Rating from the G League thing right now?

Jalen Green's Net Rating in the G League was -7.7
Kuminga's Net Rating in the G League was -6.2

Its not currently showing last year's advanced stats, but Im sure Dyson Daniels had a negative Net Rating as well. And Im going to go out on a limb and predict Matas Buzelis will have a negative Net Rating next year.

Its almost like a young straight out of high school focused G League team is going to struggle against other G League teams. Crazy to think about...

Daniels is listed in my post above.

[Hal14]

Where did you get these numbers from?

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/team/1612709930/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Scoot's net rating is -2.6. Sissoko's -2.4. Miller's -3.7.

RealGM - and made sure to scroll down to the "full season" section. Took their offensive rating and minused the defensive rating to get net rating.

I clicked that link you posted but got a blank page with no stats.

Those are boxscore-derived metrics and not actual on-court ratings. If you want on-court ratings, you must go to the respective G-League stats section and select ‘advanced’.

So we're no longer allowed to use offensive rating and defensive rating? I just too offensive rating - defensive rating to get each player's net rating. Not saying it's an end all, be all metric. Just trying to see a rough idea of what each player contributes to winning basketball.

I also included TS% and PER and listed like 12 players and their g league stats.

[Duke4life831]

I mean are we really doing this whole teenager Net Rating from the G League thing right now?

Jalen Green's Net Rating in the G League was -7.7
Kuminga's Net Rating in the G League was -6.2

Its not currently showing last year's advanced stats, but Im sure Dyson Daniels had a negative Net Rating as well. And Im going to go out on a limb and predict Matas Buzelis will have a negative Net Rating next year.

Its almost like a young straight out of high school focused G League team is going to struggle against other G League teams. Crazy to think about...

Daniels is listed in my post above.

Ya but those arent the accurate ones. Also it would just go to my point, none of these prospects have positive Net Ratings when they play for Ignite. Ignite is at such a talent disadvantage against the majority of the rest of the G League that these guys advanced numbers like Net Rating look horrible. I dont recall Dyson Daniels negative Net Rating being talked about last year.

This just seems like such a weird thing to bring up when you look into the entire context of it all. I highly doubt any of the top 5 teams in the draft this year will care at all what Scoot's Net Rating was this year.

[The-Power]

RealGM - and made sure to scroll down to the "full season" section. Took their offensive rating and minused the defensive rating to get net rating.

I clicked that link you posted but got a blank page with no stats.

Those are boxscore-derived metrics and not actual on-court ratings. If you want on-court ratings, you must go to the respective G-League stats section and select ‘advanced’.

So we're no longer allowed to use offensive rating and defensive rating? I just too offensive rating - defensive rating to get each player's net rating. Not saying it's an end all, be all metric. Just trying to see a rough idea of what each player contributes to winning basketball.

I also included TS% and PER and listed like 12 players and their g league stats.

That's not what you're doing though. What you have cited are NOT on-court ratings. What you cited are boxscore-based metrics that don't inform you about impact. I posted the on-court ratings and the resulting net ratings that I think you actually meant to use.