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Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31)

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Re: Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31) 

Post#21 » by gom » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:26 am

New York Knickerbockers: (42-31) 4 home games, 5 away games, 3 playoff/playin team opponents.

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MIA (a) We, 3/22 (0.6)
ORL (a) Th, 3/23 (0.4)

HOU (h) Mo, 3/27 (0.1)
MIA (h) We, 3/29 (0.4)
CLE (a) Fr, 3/31 (0.6)
WAS (h) Su, 4/2 (0.3)

IND (a) We, 4/5 (0.2)
NOP (a) Fr, 4/7 (0.4)
IND (h) Su, 4/9 (0.1)


Brooklyn Nets (39-33) 2.5 games back of New York, 7 home games, 3 away, 5 playoff/playin team opponents

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CLE (h) Th, 3/23 (0.5)
MIA (a) Sa, 3/25 (0.6)
ORL (a) Su, 3/26 (0.3)

HOU (h) We, 3/29 (0.1)
ATL (h) Fr, 3/31 (0.4)
UTA (h) Su, 4/2 (0.2)

MIN (h) Tu, 4/4 (0.4)
DET (a) We, 4/5 (0.2)
ORL (h) Fri, 4/7 (0.1)
PHI (h) Su, 4/9 (0.5)


Miami Heat (39-34) 3 games behind New York, 4 home games, 5 away games, 6 playoff/playin team opponents

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NYK (h) We, 3/22 (0.5)
BRK (h) Sa, 3/25 (0.5)

TOR (a) Tu, 3/28 (0.4)
NYK (a) We, 3/29 (0.7)
DAL (h) Sa, 4/1 (0.6)

DET (a) Tu, 4/4 (0.3)
PHI (a) Th, 4/6 (0.7)
WAS (a) Fr, 4/7 (0.3)
ORL (h) Su, 4/9 (0.2)


Atlanta Hawks (36-36) 5.5 games behind new york, 7 home games, 3 away. 8 playoff/playin tem opponents.

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MIN (a) We, 3/22 (0.5)
IND (h) Sa, 3/25 (0.3)
MEM (h) Su, 3/26 (0.5)

CLE (h) Tu, 3/28 (0.5)
BRK (a) Fr, 3/31 (0.6)
DAL (h) Su, 4/2 (0.6)

CHI (a) Tu, 4/4 (0.5)
WAS (h) We, 4/5 (0.3)
PHI (h) Fr, 4/7 (0.5)
BOS (h) Su, 4/9 (0.6)
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Re: Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31) 

Post#22 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:30 am

Goodness Knicks schedule is a cake walk, we probably don’t catch them, there might be a minor chance to catch Brooklyn but we’ll see if anyone shows up to help Bam and Jimmy consistently
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Re: Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31) 

Post#23 » by contract » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:03 am

I (rightly) **** on the front office for doing a poor job of putting this team together and basically asking Spo to work miracles with a bunch of randos we picked up at the YMCA, but is there any doubt that we're more talented than the freaking Knicks? Assuming everyone is healthy, we will have the two best players on the court tonight. The Knicks have just wanted it more than we have this season, and they have played like it, especially on the road.

We better want it more tonight.
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Re: Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31) 

Post#24 » by gom » Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:23 pm

One misconception is that tanking teams are not trying to win at this time of the season. I have a more nuanced opinion, because the choices that have placed them in this predicament are complicated and most have already been made. Individual players and coaches may have their own reasons to show up, especially future $$$ motivations.

Because of how the lottery works, Detroit, Houston, and San Antonio have equal chances for any top-4 pick, 52.1%, and for the #1 pick, 14.0%. Only Charlotte threatens their place, 3.5 games behind San Antonio. With 9 games to play, it’s hard for San Antonio to lose its place. There is a 7 game difference between Charlottte and the next worse team, Orlando, 30-43. Even if Charlotte does not move, they sttill have a 48.1% chance for top-4 and 12.5% chance for #1. Collectively, though, their places are assured. They don’t have to try to lose, and some have warmed up to winning. 4 of San Antonio’s total of 19 wins have been in the last 10 games, and 5 of Houston’s 18. The pressure is off.

Orlando, Portland, Washington, and Indiana occupy the middle tier of tankers. All of these teams own their pick (or have their pick locked in the case of PDX and DC). The chances for top-4 pick vary froom 29% (at 8) to 42% (at 5). #1 pick: (10.5% to 6.7%). And they are very close, all within 2.5 games. I agree that in their cases, tanking decisions are still meaningful. In fact, Dame Lillard was just shut down by Portland. Portland and Washington are 2-8 in theiir last 10 games, compared to Houston (5-5) and San Antonio (4-6). Orlando, where Banchero is making a case for ROY was 4-6. Indiana, which is generally an anti-tanking team, are 5-5. For these teams, much also depends on where the game is played. They are almost 0.500 teams at home, while their road records are far poorer. Indiana, for example, is 19-17 at home, 13-23 on the road. The NBA is a business and playing for home town fans matters.

The next group are teams that don’t own their picks: Chicago, Lakers, Pelicans, Wolves, and the Mavericks (who are only a half game ahead of Utah & Minnesota). None of these teams are tanking. They are fighting for a place in the postseason. Their motivation is to not give Orlando, Pelicans, Lakers (yes, they are swapping), the Jazz, and Knicks respectively, a lottery pick or (“fire the gm”) a chance at Victor Wembanyama, the 19 year-old, 7’5” Metropolitans star.

Additionally, Utah, Toronto, and OKC are playing spoiler roles, and may make it into the postseason (after poor seasons) by the playin backdoor, threatening established teams like Atlanta, Dallas, Miami, Brooklyn, and Golden State, who have been trying to win all along. OKC is especially motivated.

So, I judge the difficulty of each match by comparing the stakes and the past performance of the team (home and away).

Also, Boston beat the Kings last night. They really don't want to play us.
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Re: Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31) 

Post#25 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:21 pm

contract wrote:I (rightly) **** on the front office for doing a poor job of putting this team together and basically asking Spo to work miracles with a bunch of randos we picked up at the YMCA, but is there any doubt that we're more talented than the freaking Knicks? Assuming everyone is healthy, we will have the two best players on the court tonight. The Knicks have just wanted it more than we have this season, and they have played like it, especially on the road.

We better want it more tonight.
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Yes, there's real doubt.

Jimmy is the best player, but Brunson is legit, he's not that far off where Bam is.

If you rank the entire rotations i think it's clear the Knicks are deepper and better in every position expet for the Jimmy and Bam slots. Best players on botn teams :

Jimmy

Bam
Brunson
Randle


Barrett
Herro
Quickley
Hart
Martin
Quentin Grimes
Mitchell Robinson
Vincent

End of bench also massively favors the Knicks.

If Herro disappears like he tends to do when his shot not falling, you could argue the Knicks have the next best 8 players after Jimmy and Bam.

We probably only have 3.5 players that could get minutes on the Knicks.
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Post#26 » by al bondiga » Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:48 pm

Are you telling me love, lowry Would not get any minutes in NY?
not even yurt?
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Post#27 » by Lennyzinho » Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:46 pm

al bondiga wrote:Are you telling me love, lowry Would not get any minutes in NY?
not even yurt?


Lowry ain't getting minutes over Bruson or Quickley. At least not this version of him. Although he has been pretty spry lately and shooting the ball very well over these last several games off the bench. We have the best two players, Herro somewhere in the middle and then Caleb and Lowry and Strus would be near the bottom of the list after the Knicks top 7-8 or so players. Especially now that they have Hart.

In the playoffs when we are playing Jimmy and Bam 40 mins instead of 32-35, things will be very different.
And Kevin Love moves like he's stuck in quicksand and plays no defense. I like him for depth purposes and provides size and good locker room presence, but he is not v good. There's a reason he starts for us, plays 6-8 minutes and then doesn't come back in. And then the same to begin 2nd half.
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Post#28 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:02 pm

al bondiga wrote:Are you telling me love, lowry Would not get any minutes in NY?
not even yurt?

they really would not.

Knicks have multipole better options in those position.
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Re: Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31) 

Post#29 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:12 pm

al bondiga wrote:Are you telling me love, lowry Would not get any minutes in NY?
not even yurt?


Y’all gotta chill on Yurt lol the dude is ass. No he’s not getting clock over Mitchell or Hartenstein
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Re: Wednesday, March 22nd Miami Heat (39-34) vs New York Knicks (42-31) 

Post#30 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:13 pm

Yes I agree, we have the 2 best players but after that we are HEAVILY lacking.
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Post#31 » by eddieheatfan » Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:38 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Yes I agree, we have the 2 best players but after that we are HEAVILY lacking.


to me the real above average player/almost star here is jimmy butler

bam is a question mark even more so when he's playing at the playoffs.

the rest, bad fillers on a roster movie.

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Post#32 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:17 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Yes I agree, we have the 2 best players but after that we are HEAVILY lacking.


to me the real above average player/almost star here is jimmy butler

bam is a question mark even more so when he's playing at the playoffs.

the rest, bad fillers on a roster movie.

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Bams arguably the best defender in the world, averages an efficient 21-10-3, is a very high impact player, leads the nba in points in the paint, leads the nba in points in the paint outside of the restricted area by a very wide margin, is top 10 in the league in 4th quarter scoring, 2nd in the nba in overall scoring efficiency in the clutch, etc.

You all can keep running with your agenda but he’s a star and he’s still continuing to grow, 5 bad games after the ASB doesn’t change any of this lol
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Post#33 » by eddieheatfan » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:22 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Yes I agree, we have the 2 best players but after that we are HEAVILY lacking.


to me the real above average player/almost star here is jimmy butler

bam is a question mark even more so when he's playing at the playoffs.

the rest, bad fillers on a roster movie.

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Bams arguably the best defender in the world, averages an efficient 21-10-3, is a very high impact player, leads the nba in points in the paint, leads the nba in points in the paint outside of the restricted area by a very wide margin, is top 10 in the league in 4th quarter scoring, 2nd in the nba in overall scoring efficiency in the clutch, etc.

You all can keep running with your agenda but he’s a star and he’s still continuing to grow, 5 bad games after the ASB doesn’t change any of this lol
i have no agenda but like they say ball dont lie coming playoff time
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Post#34 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:26 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:
to me the real above average player/almost star here is jimmy butler

bam is a question mark even more so when he's playing at the playoffs.

the rest, bad fillers on a roster movie.

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Bams arguably the best defender in the world, averages an efficient 21-10-3, is a very high impact player, leads the nba in points in the paint, leads the nba in points in the paint outside of the restricted area by a very wide margin, is top 10 in the league in 4th quarter scoring, 2nd in the nba in overall scoring efficiency in the clutch, etc.

You all can keep running with your agenda but he’s a star and he’s still continuing to grow, 5 bad games after the ASB doesn’t change any of this lol
i have no agenda but like they say ball dont lie coming playoff time


Let’s hope the gameplan is for him to score when he touches the ball this playoffs instead of handing it off to lesser players to brick 3s all game
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Post#35 » by Bishop45 » Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:31 pm

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Post#36 » by gom » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:29 pm

Ok, breathe everyone and then plunge in deep.

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Post#37 » by Bishop45 » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:42 pm

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Post#38 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:47 pm

Amazing start as usual, good thing we start love for no reason
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Post#39 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:50 pm

Gab3!!!!!
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Post#40 » by SerialChiller » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:51 pm

We're getting good Gabe so far at least!

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