Mavericks brain fart

[LakersLegacy]

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refs keep getting worse

So it was supposed to be Mavs ball and the ref gave it to GS?

Is that Jason Kidd told Mark Cuban while spilling a drink?

[Sofia]

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Sequence before the break above -- possession indicated, then timeout indicated. Wasn't super clear, but it's there.

It looks like he overturns the call and points the other direction which is why you see Looney get upset when he points the Mavs direction.

At no point does he do the timeout signal. Either way, there is clear confusion and the ref should clarify prior to restarting play.

I don’t think it should be overturned or replayed but I think this is a ref not doing his job properly.

Something to keep in mind is the T hand signal made in FIBA to signal a time out is not used in the US. The point to bench to indicate a timeout was consistent with how it is signalled in the NBA

[mademan]

Brother, the hand up with a whistle is the precise signal for a timeout (you can very, very clearly see it at the end of the video). The reason why it confused Looney for a split second is because he had his head turned while the ref was making this gesture and only saw the point to the scorers table (so, like any rational player, he clarified what the call was when he was confused).

This a whole lot to do about nothing. But that is what happened. Moving on.

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

Lol no dude. By far the most common Timeout signal is the hand up. I assure you every player/coach is aware.

tbf, the hand up signal is also the signal they use when theyre changing the call. Dude made calls in both directions in quick succession and nobody on the Mavs actually called a timeout, adding to the confusion (it was a TV timeout, and they almost never point to a side when they call a TV timeout).

It was far from clear cut and the Mavs genuinely believed it was their ball and i cant say they were wrong to believe that. Do i think it actually comes to anything during appeal? No, but it doesnt mean theyre wrong.

[Mamba81p]

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger on the palm.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

In NBA refs don't use the T for timeout. They use that for technical foul. It is obvious what the ref calledbut only Mavs announcer and J Kidd got it wrong.

What their announcers says it's irrelevant... A team should not draw plays based on a freaking announcer. That is for the crowd.

T with a single finger is timeout. T with the all the fingers is a tech.

Tapping on the shoulders indicates 20 second timeout.

There are no 20 second timeouts. I've seen plenty of refs calling technical with one finger

[Mamba81p]

The hand up is not the timeout signal! The timeout signal is the T with one finger.

I agree it’s nothing but can see why Mavs are upset

Lol no dude. By far the most common Timeout signal is the hand up. I assure you every player/coach is aware.

tbf, the hand up signal is also the signal they use when theyre changing the call. Dude made calls in both directions in quick succession and nobody on the Mavs actually called a timeout, adding to the confusion (it was a TV timeout, and they almost never point to a side when they call a TV timeout).

It was far from clear cut and the Mavs genuinely believed it was their ball and i cant say they were wrong to believe that. Do i think it actually comes to anything during appeal? No, but it doesnt mean theyre wrong.

We don't have the old TV timeout anymore. Every timeout is assigned to a team, and they (should) always point to a bench.

[mademan]

Lol no dude. By far the most common Timeout signal is the hand up. I assure you every player/coach is aware.

tbf, the hand up signal is also the signal they use when theyre changing the call. Dude made calls in both directions in quick succession and nobody on the Mavs actually called a timeout, adding to the confusion (it was a TV timeout, and they almost never point to a side when they call a TV timeout).

It was far from clear cut and the Mavs genuinely believed it was their ball and i cant say they were wrong to believe that. Do i think it actually comes to anything during appeal? No, but it doesnt mean theyre wrong.

We don't have the old TV timeout anymore. Every timeout is assigned to a team, and they (should) always point to a bench.

TV timeout-scheduled timeout, w/e. Ive watched enough games to know they dont point to benches when calling those. Or maybe they generally do and ive just never noticed it. I know for a fact they dont always point to benches for those

[dockingsched]

Refs clearly signaled warriors call and have now confirmed they called it warriors ball then signaled Mavs timeout….so when Cuban tweets that the call was changed from mavs ball to warriors ball DURING the timeout, is he totally lying and making that up? Having a hard time reconciling how he could make that claim.

I could see him claiming that they thought it was always mavs ball based on the misinterpret timeout hand signal, but how he could boldly claim that it was changed DURING the timeout? Where would he get that idea from?

[levon]

Refs clearly signaled warriors call and have now confirmed they called it warriors ball then signaled Mavs timeout….so when Cuban tweets that the call was changed from mavs ball to warriors ball DURING the timeout, is he totally lying and making that up? Having a hard time reconciling how he could make that claim.

I could see him claiming that they thought it was always mavs ball based on the misinterpret timeout hand signal, but how he could boldly claim that it was changed during the timeout without telling them?

He's an entitled douche?

[DonaldSanders]

Refs clearly signaled warriors call and have now confirmed they called it warriors ball then signaled Mavs timeout….so when Cuban tweets that the call was changed from mavs ball to warriors ball DURING the timeout, is he totally lying and making that up? Having a hard time reconciling how he could make that claim.

I could see him claiming that they thought it was always mavs ball based on the misinterpret timeout hand signal, but how he could boldly claim that it was changed DURING the timeout? Where would he get that idea from?

He got confused because the Mavs stadium announcer got it wrong and announced Mavs ball. I think the refs should have made sure both benches were clear about what happened, but Steve Kerr got it right. In his post game he said he was drawing up a play but the Mavs ended up not defending at all so Looney just dunked it.

Not the best work by the officials, but I think actual missed calls during the game were worse than Mavs employees being confused.

[maverick_41]

If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

[DonaldSanders]

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If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

Fair play spirit? Is that what is happening when Luka cries every possession and makes a money sign indicating that he thinks the refs are paid off?

[Time for Change]

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If you watch that replay you can see after Looney asks the ref about the call, Christian Wood from the Mavs also asks the ref about the call. So at least one Mav should have known it was Warriors’ ball. Unless the ref told Wood something different than what he just told Looney I don’t see how the Mavs can claim they weren’t told it was Warriors’ ball.

[monopoman]

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If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

A goal in soccer is vastly more valuable when a typical soccer game ends like 2-1, meanwhile 2 points in an NBA game is worth about 1/30th or 1/40th of a point in soccer.

[Mephariel]

The Mavs have more things they should be worrying about. Like playing defense.

[Sofia]

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If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

Fair play spirit? Is that what is happening when Luka cries every possession and makes a money sign indicating that he thinks the refs are paid off?

for real? Got a clip?

[Nuntius]

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This will go far

I honestly think this has a better chance than most. It wasn't a subjective call. Seems to be they just never announced the change in the call.

I have also seen a game where the protest was successful and the remaining minutes were replayed.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/6271-nba-hawks-heat-to-replay-closing-minute-of-game#:~:text=The%20Heat%20filed%20a%20protest,history%20and%20first%20since%201982.

I agree. If there is ever a formal protest that can be successful, it's this one.

[lambchop]

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If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

A goal in soccer is vastly more valuable when a typical soccer game ends like 2-1, meanwhile 2 points in an NBA game is worth about 1/30th or 1/40th of a point in soccer.

This. It's like a team getting 20 free points in basketball. That player would also get called out as a stat padder and fraud for accepting the free 20 points.

[Sofia]

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If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

A goal in soccer is vastly more valuable when a typical soccer game ends like 2-1, meanwhile 2 points in an NBA game is worth about 1/30th or 1/40th of a point in soccer.

There’s also different courtesy and protocol in different sports. It’s not comparable to soccer here, Warriors did nothing wrong

[Nuntius]

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If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

A goal in soccer is vastly more valuable when a typical soccer game ends like 2-1, meanwhile 2 points in an NBA game is worth about 1/30th or 1/40th of a point in soccer.

Absolutely true but maverick_41 did have a point when he mentioned that a football team abusing the fair play rule to score a goal would be endlessly criticized. Unless they make up for it, of course.

From around one month ago:

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Cup game (meaning single-elimination) in Scotland between the Rangers and Partick Thistle. Patrick Thistle are inbounding the ball with the intention to kick a long ball towards the Rangers' side of the field. Pretty standard fair play. Well, Malik Tillman didn't get the memo, he stole the ball from the Partick Thistle defender and went on to score. He immediately gets mobbed by the Patrick Thistle players who were furious at him because, well, you aren't supposed to pull BS like that. You just don't do that. Everyone knows that, including the other Rangers players which is why they are apologetic towards the Partick Thistle players while they're trying to get Tillman away from them. But anyway the goal is awarded and the game gets ready for kickoff. What does Rangers' coach do next? He calls in his team's captain (Tavernier) and instructs him to relay the following message to the rest of the team: Let Partick Thistle score. Do absolutely nothing as one of their players waltzes in and equalizes the game. The coach, obviously, couldn't do anything about his player going off-script and scoring like that but what he can absolutely do is make up for it the way they did. The fans are booing this but Beale (Rangers' coach) was 100% correct to instruct his team to let the opponents score. You just aren't supposed to abuse the fair play rule to score a goal like Tillman did in this case.

Now, can what the Warriors did in this case be compared to the video above? No, I don't think that they are comparable. I don't think that the Warriors did anything wrong in this case. I believe that the fault here lies with the refs. They failed to adequately communicate what was happening to the Mavericks.

[Wagonband]

There is no issue here if the refs simply tell the Mavericks that the play is starting on the other side. Like isn't that the job of the referees? If you clearly see that 1 team has no idea what is going on, even if by the letter of the rules you could let it play it doesn't cost you anything to tell the other team to start playing.

Like if a players asks a referee why he made a certain call during a dead ball, the referee usually explains. He doesn't have to, but it makes sense to do so. Same thing here. Especially if there was room for interpretation as Dallas ball as there is here.

Poor job by the referees imho. And that's without even speaking to the obvious jersey pull by Looney on Luka lol. How can they miss that. I get it he whines a lot, but he also often has a good reason.