Mavericks brain fart

Johnny Bball · Post #81 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:40 am

So that’s the dumb **** that cost me a bet. Mavs.…smh.

Zvaart · Post #82 » by **Zvaart** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:49 am

This was the Kyrie effect. His dumbness is contagious.

Post #83 » by **Nuntius** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:55 am

Johnny Bball wrote:So that’s the dumb **** that cost me a bet. Mavs.…smh.

I do feel bad for whoever bet on this particular game.

monopoman · Post #84 » by **monopoman** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:34 pm

Nuntius wrote:
monopoman wrote:
maverick_41 wrote::-?

If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

A goal in soccer is vastly more valuable when a typical soccer game ends like 2-1, meanwhile 2 points in an NBA game is worth about 1/30th or 1/40th of a point in soccer.

Absolutely true but maverick_41 did have a point when he mentioned that a football team abusing the fair play rule to score a goal would be endlessly criticized. Unless they make up for it, of course.

From around one month ago:

Watch on YouTube

Cup game (meaning single-elimination) in Scotland between the Rangers and Partick Thistle. Patrick Thistle are inbounding the ball with the intention to kick a long ball towards the Rangers' side of the field. Pretty standard fair play. Well, Malik Tillman didn't get the memo, he stole the ball from the Partick Thistle defender and went on to score. He immediately gets mobbed by the Patrick Thistle players who were furious at him because, well, you aren't supposed to pull BS like that. You just don't do that. Everyone knows that, including the other Rangers players which is why they are apologetic towards the Partick Thistle players while they're trying to get Tillman away from them. But anyway the goal is awarded and the game gets ready for kickoff. What does Rangers' coach do next? He calls in his team's captain (Tavernier) and instructs him to relay the following message to the rest of the team: Let Partick Thistle score. Do absolutely nothing as one of their players waltzes in and equalizes the game. The coach, obviously, couldn't do anything about his player going off-script and scoring like that but what he can absolutely do is make up for it the way they did. The fans are booing this but Beale (Rangers' coach) was 100% correct to instruct his team to let the opponents score. You just aren't supposed to abuse the fair play rule to score a goal like Tillman did in this case.

Now, can what the Warriors did in this case be compared to the video above? No, I don't think that they are comparable. I don't think that the Warriors did anything wrong in this case. I believe that the fault here lies with the refs. They failed to adequately communicate what was happening to the Mavericks.

I just haven't seen this type of problem ever before, it would be one thing if this happened all the time but I have never seen 5 players of an opposing team inbounds a ball after a time out and have 0 defenders within 10-15 feet of any of them. If this was a major issue and happened every say 10 games or more then sure we could discuss how it should be handled, but when you could watch 1000's of NBA games and see this type of thing once out of those 1000's it's not an issue to me.

Myth · Post #85 » by **Myth** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:21 pm

Sofia wrote:
DonaldSanders wrote:
maverick_41 wrote::-?

If a soccer team would use such an opportunity to score an easy goal they would be endlessly criticised for lack of fair play spirit.

Fair play spirit? Is that what is happening when Luka cries every possession and makes a money sign indicating that he thinks the refs are paid off?

for real? Got a clip?

Start at 45 seconds:

Watch on YouTube

blackcosmos · Post #86 » by **blackcosmos** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:24 pm

the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

SalmonsSuperfan · Post #87 » by **SalmonsSuperfan** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:32 pm

file a complaint or whatever but it didn't cost them the game.

Jerry Maine · Post #88 » by **Jerry Maine** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:34 pm

blackcosmos wrote:I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

We're talking about Mark Cuban and Luka Doncic remember :lol:

CobraCommander · Post #89 » by **CobraCommander** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:40 pm

blackcosmos wrote:the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

Didn’t think about that.....are you sure.

If it’s true that the ball would be taken out under the basket anyway then it doesn’t matter and the mavs will lose this.

But how does a bad call in the 3rd quarter of a regular season basketball game that cost two points in a game that went to 125-127 get more scrutiny than NFL games in the playoffs where one play at the end of the game (twice) decides the super bowl champ - doesn’t get get replayed?

If Cuban wins this Philly and the Bills gonna be very very depressed

Johnny Bball · Post #90 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:42 pm

Nuntius wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:So that’s the dumb **** that cost me a bet. Mavs.…smh.

I do feel bad for whoever bet on this particular game.

Yeah it wasn't much money. I bet small and I'm just doing it to see if I could do it at a larger scale scuccessfully.

I just noticed, Draymond Green was playing. Green and 2 or 3 others were listed as out an hour before the game, and they all played. I wish the NBA would get it together on injury reports, because they still don't have it set. You pretty much have to wait for warmups or you can get screwed. I'm going to assume everyone has gone through this that bets and they will laugh, but its just annoying though.

That play when you see it all, not the cut off version, looks like he calls GSW ball after both other calls, but he's partly sheilded by a player and it's a late call. The no calls though the other plays people are complaining about are just bad.

Johnny Bball · Post #91 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:45 pm

blackcosmos wrote:the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

Doesnt the ball advance on a timeout?

Sofia · Post #92 » by **Sofia** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:45 pm

So there’s 2 issues that Cuban raises:

1) The ref changed the call:

Demonstrably false. The video of the referee making the call that it is Warriors ball, and then signalling time out Mavs is clear.

The Mavs players on the court understood it to be a timeout in the moment, they all went to the bench. No one went to inbound the ball as they would if thought it was their side out.

2) The PA announced Mavs ball:

So? The PA has no bearing on the way the game is officiated. Yes there are certain protocols the PA must follow (2 minutes etc), but if the PA makes an incorrect call, that has nothing to do with the game ir how it is officiated… not to mention the PA is Mavs staff.

Other factors:
Kidd drew up a play? So what… he misunderstood the call and that may have been what made the players all get it wrong in the first place.

Mavs thought it was their inbound? So why were they all just standing around at half way. Not one player went to the sideline to inbound, let alone be in the same half of the court.

One ref was at the other end of court? That doesn’t matter, officials are supposed to position themselves to be able see the players, “framing them in” -Officials shouldn’t all be surrounding the ball when half the players on the court are at the other end, they need to watch all players at all times, it would make no sense for the trail official to be standing in front court watching the ball with 5 players behind his back.

This should absolutely be a non-issue protest with the Mavs at fault here. The referees made the correct signals before and after, it’s not the referees job to make sure the defence is ready before administering the ball to the inbounder.

Sofia · Post #93 » by **Sofia** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:47 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
blackcosmos wrote:the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

Doesnt the ball advance on a timeout?

Last 2 mins of 4th qtr. This happened in the 3rd so doesn’t advance

Sofia · Post #94 » by **Sofia** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:49 pm

Myth wrote:
Sofia wrote:
DonaldSanders wrote:

Fair play spirit? Is that what is happening when Luka cries every possession and makes a money sign indicating that he thinks the refs are paid off?

for real? Got a clip?

Start at 45 seconds:

Watch on YouTube

Thanks for that.

So petulant

God Squad · Post #95 » by **God Squad** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:51 pm

I don't see where the divide is, as it's clear as day the Mavericks messed up.

Optimus_Steel · Post #96 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:51 pm

What is everyone blabbering about? Clearly Steve Kerr drew up an amazing play call to get his team an easy basket. Kerr is a genius.

Johnny Bball · Post #97 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:54 pm

God Squad wrote:I don't see where the divide is, as it's clear as day the Mavericks messed up.

Nm...

God Squad · Post #98 » by **God Squad** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:00 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
God Squad wrote:I don't see where the divide is, as it's clear as day the Mavericks messed up.

The first video shown is cut off so you don't see the last part of the call where he changes it to warriors ball. That's whats confusing everyone here i assume.

From the video a page back, it looks clear that the ref signaled GS ball and timeout for the Mavs. Maybe there's another video? I could be off base as I didn't watch the game live.

KawhiSoSerious · Post #99 » by **KawhiSoSerious** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:01 pm

leolozon wrote:Is it a brain fart? I think that one of the ref indicated that it was their ball. If it’s the case, the refs changed the game.

Who was supposed to get the ball? Did the refs give it to the wrong team or lied to one of the team?

The Mavs should have just refused to keep going until it gets cleared.

It makes me wonder why then did the Mavs not have an inbounder and receiver in position to inbound the ball if they thought it was their ball.

blackcosmos · Post #100 » by **blackcosmos** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:01 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
blackcosmos wrote:the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

Didn’t think about that.....are you sure.

If it’s true that the ball would be taken out under the basket anyway then it doesn’t matter and the mavs will lose this.

But how does a bad call in the 3rd quarter of a regular season basketball game that cost two points in a game that went to 125-127 get more scrutiny than NFL games in the playoffs where one play at the end of the game (twice) decides the super bowl champ - doesn’t get get replayed?

If Cuban wins this Philly and the Bills gonna be very very depressed

I don’t understand why you are talking about the NFL?

But yes I’m sure, it was an out-of-bounds play. The team with possession will in bound the ball where it went out of bound. Which was underneath the Mavs basket. There was no reason for the mavs to be on the other side of the court.