Mavericks brain fart

Jerry Maine · Post #101 » by **Jerry Maine** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:02 pm

Looney got away with a good jersey tug there, but noone cares since Luka is such a flopper :lol:

Johnny Bball · Post #102 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:02 pm

God Squad wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
God Squad wrote:I don't see where the divide is, as it's clear as day the Mavericks messed up.

The first video shown is cut off so you don't see the last part of the call where he changes it to warriors ball. That's whats confusing everyone here i assume.

From the video a page back, it looks clear that the ref signaled GS ball and timeout for the Mavs. Maybe there's another video? I could be off base as I didn't watch the game live.

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NeoWarriors · Post #103 » by **NeoWarriors** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:03 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
God Squad wrote:I don't see where the divide is, as it's clear as day the Mavericks messed up.

The first video shown is cut off so you don't see the last part of the call where he changes it to warriors ball. That's whats confusing everyone here i assume.

No call was changed ever. He called Warriors ball and Dallas timeout. That's it.

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lonea · Post #104 » by **lonea** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:04 pm

Sofia wrote:1) The ref changed the call:

Demonstrably false. The video of the referee making the call that it is Warriors ball, and then signalling time out Mavs is clear.

The Mavs players on the court understood it to be a timeout in the moment, they all went to the bench. No one went to inbound the ball as they would if thought it was their side out.

No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

Jerry Maine · Post #105 » by **Jerry Maine** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:09 pm

lonea wrote:
Sofia wrote:1) The ref changed the call:

Demonstrably false. The video of the referee making the call that it is Warriors ball, and then signalling time out Mavs is clear.

The Mavs players on the court understood it to be a timeout in the moment, they all went to the bench. No one went to inbound the ball as they would if thought it was their side out.

No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

No, the ref points to the right immediately after the ball goes out indicating Dubs possession.

He then blows his whistle and points to the left towards the bench indicating a Dallas timeout.

I can see how there was a misunderstanding, but ultimately the Dallas bench dropped the ball.

Johnny Bball · Post #106 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:12 pm

Jerry Maine wrote:
lonea wrote:
Sofia wrote:1) The ref changed the call:

Demonstrably false. The video of the referee making the call that it is Warriors ball, and then signalling time out Mavs is clear.

The Mavs players on the court understood it to be a timeout in the moment, they all went to the bench. No one went to inbound the ball as they would if thought it was their side out.

No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

No, the ref points to the right immediately after the ball goes out indicating Dubs possession.

He then blows his whistle and points to the left towards the bench indicating a Dallas timeout.

I can see how there was a misunderstanding, but ultimately the Dallas bench dropped the ball.

Third motion maybe, first is ball right, 2nd is timeout to the left, third is point to the left? I presume that the 2nd and third are one signal and that confused someone somewhere as it did me.

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blackcosmos · Post #107 » by **blackcosmos** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:13 pm

lonea wrote:
Sofia wrote:1) The ref changed the call:

Demonstrably false. The video of the referee making the call that it is Warriors ball, and then signalling time out Mavs is clear.

The Mavs players on the court understood it to be a timeout in the moment, they all went to the bench. No one went to inbound the ball as they would if thought it was their side out.

No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

If it was mavs ball, why were they on the other side of the court on an in bound play in the 3rd quarter? The ball has to be in bounded where in went out of bounds, which was underneath the mavs basket. The Mavs messed up.

hardenASG13 · Post #108 » by **hardenASG13** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:16 pm

blackcosmos wrote:
lonea wrote:
Sofia wrote:1) The ref changed the call:

Demonstrably false. The video of the referee making the call that it is Warriors ball, and then signalling time out Mavs is clear.

The Mavs players on the court understood it to be a timeout in the moment, they all went to the bench. No one went to inbound the ball as they would if thought it was their side out.

No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

If it was mavs ball, why were they on the other side of the court on an in bound play in the 3rd quarter? The ball has to be in bounded where in went out of bounds, which was underneath the mavs basket. The Mavs messed up.

Exactly. If the mavs thought it was their ball they should've been going to inbound it. They forgot which way they were going.

Badly Browned · Post #109 » by **Badly Browned** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:21 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
blackcosmos wrote:the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

Doesnt the ball advance on a timeout?

Only with under 2 minutes left in 4th or OT.

Myth · Post #110 » by **Myth** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:32 pm

Badly Browned wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
blackcosmos wrote:the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

Doesnt the ball advance on a timeout?

Only with under 2 minutes left in 4th or OT.

Edit: Never mind, deleted a previously incorrect comment of mine. On a change of possession in the backcourt, which would include an out of bounds, a timeout can advance the ball in the final 2 minutes of 4th or OT as you mentioned.

skones · Post #111 » by **skones** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:48 pm

The Mavs are literally waiting at half court to pick up their defensive assignments upon the inbound. I don't buy that the players thought it was their ball.

ITYSL · Post #112 » by **ITYSL** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:56 pm

Bottom line - the ref should have held the ball to make sure the Mavs coach and players knew that it was Warriors ball. To just hand it to the Warriors when it's very clear that the Mavs are confused was stupid. It doesn't have to be in the rulebook to do the right thing. The right thing was to make sure the Mavs knew whose ball it was and where. There was obviously confusion on the Mavs side.

Also, while the Warriors knew it was their ball, initially Looney also thought the ref was calling it Mavs ball and started complaining to the ref. Then the ref explained it to Looney, and most likely Looney communicated that to Kerr and the rest of the team. Meanwhile the Mavs just assumed it was their ball because they saw the ref signal twice in the Mavs' direction - once with his hand up, and another time while pointing. Once Looney made that protest, the ref should have immediately known that there was confusion about the call, and made it clear to both benches whose ball it was.

Why the Mavs weren't at that end to inbound it is beyond me. My guess is they froze because they were confused that all the Warriors players were lining up on that side of the court. So maybe they didn't think the game was restarting yet. I don't know.

Also, LOL @ Jason Kidd.

ITYSL · Post #113 » by **ITYSL** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:02 pm

skones wrote:The Mavs are literally waiting at half court to pick up their defensive assignments upon the inbound. I don't buy that the players thought it was their ball.

Nah. As soon as the ref started handing the ball to the Warriors player for the inbounds - and BEFORE it was actually inbounded and Looney scored - multiple Mavs players raise their arms as if to say "WTF are you doing?"

leolozon · Post #114 » by **leolozon** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:04 pm

KawhiSoSerious wrote:
leolozon wrote:Is it a brain fart? I think that one of the ref indicated that it was their ball. If it’s the case, the refs changed the game.

Who was supposed to get the ball? Did the refs give it to the wrong team or lied to one of the team?

The Mavs should have just refused to keep going until it gets cleared.

It makes me wonder why then did the Mavs not have an inbounder and receiver in position to inbound the ball if they thought it was their ball.

Is there a time frame for the team to get there in X seconds or the ball gets inbounded? It looks like the Mavs were getting there, but slowly (probably confused and unsure) and the ref inbounded the ball while there was a ref missing. Did the Mavs take too much time or did the ref just jump the gun? The fact that there was a ref missing is telling me that the ball was probably inbounded too fast.

No matter what, the refs did a poor job communicating.

lonea · Post #115 » by **lonea** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:05 pm

blackcosmos wrote:
lonea wrote:
Sofia wrote:1) The ref changed the call:

Demonstrably false. The video of the referee making the call that it is Warriors ball, and then signalling time out Mavs is clear.

The Mavs players on the court understood it to be a timeout in the moment, they all went to the bench. No one went to inbound the ball as they would if thought it was their side out.

No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

If it was mavs ball, why were they on the other side of the court on an in bound play in the 3rd quarter? The ball has to be in bounded where in went out of bounds, which was underneath the mavs basket. The Mavs messed up.

Because it was a timeout so the ball advanced to the other side of the court

DwayneSchintzus · Post #116 » by **DwayneSchintzus** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:16 pm

Luka and Cuban are a match made in heaven, it's always someone else's fault when they fall short.

whatisacenter · Post #117 » by **whatisacenter** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:20 pm

lonea wrote:
blackcosmos wrote:
lonea wrote:
No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

If it was mavs ball, why were they on the other side of the court on an in bound play in the 3rd quarter? The ball has to be in bounded where in went out of bounds, which was underneath the mavs basket. The Mavs messed up.

Because it was a timeout so the ball advanced to the other side of the court

pay attention to thread.... it was the third quarter and the ball would not advance.

Quattro · Post #118 » by **Quattro** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:24 pm

How do the refs not see the way the mavs were lined up and not make sure everyone is on the same page instead of just handing the ball to the warriors to inbound.

Cuban complains about refs every 5 minutes but he’s got a point here. This was atrocious officiating.

Invictus88 · Post #119 » by **Invictus88** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:45 pm

So I'll play Devil's advocate here for a second:

What if a team is lining up nonsensically on purpose in some sort of last ditch attempt to confuse the other team into making a mistake to let them back into the game?

If the refs step in and 'correct' the situation are they doing their jobs?

It's simply not the refs responsibility to organize players on the court in a situation like this. Their job is to deliver the ball to the inbounds spot which they did.

My take would be different if the videos didn't clearly show they signalled Warriors ball; but it would be so because the call was bad in that case.

That's not the situation here.

Optimus_Steel · Post #120 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:50 pm

Quattro wrote:How do the refs not see the way the mavs were lined up and not make sure everyone is on the same page instead of just handing the ball to the warriors to inbound.

Cuban complains about refs every 5 minutes but he’s got a point here. This was atrocious officiating.

Its not the refs fault that the Mavs were clueless. What are they supposed to do, hold their hands?