Mavericks brain fart

[KyRo23]

Not buying this excuse by the Mavs. They didn't even have anyone to inbound the ball or receive the inbound pass. They were just on the wrong side

Why were they on the wrong side though? This has never happened in NBA history

Why did they have no one to pass the ball in or catch the pass if they thought it was their ball? Usually out of a timeout, you have the player who is going to inbound the ball selected to do so. I have no answer to either of these questions

[Nate505]

the ball went out of bound under the Mavs basket. Regardless who has possession, the in bound play will occur underneath Mavs basket. Dallas simply f'ed up. I don’t know what’s there to argue about.

Yeah, I'm legit amazed this is an argument.

If the Mavs actually thought it was their ball, are they just in the habit of going to their basket when the inbounds is under their opponent's basket? If so they are the dumbest team ever.

[Nate505]

Fair play spirit? Is that what is happening when Luka cries every possession and makes a money sign indicating that he thinks the refs are paid off?

for real? Got a clip?

Start at 45 seconds:

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Dude is a **** jackoff and a half. In a just world this would earn him many more technical as the season progresses. But it won't.

[Nate505]

If it was mavs ball, why were they on the other side of the court on an in bound play in the 3rd quarter? The ball has to be in bounded where in went out of bounds, which was underneath the mavs basket. The Mavs messed up.

Because it was a timeout so the ball advanced to the other side of the court

pay attention to thread.... it was the third quarter and the ball would not advance.

Aww, but the poor Mavs players didn't know that, and it's not fair to expect them to know the rules to the game they get paid millions of dollars to play. The damn corrupt incompetent refs need to do a better job holding their hands through the entire game.

[Nate505]

How do the refs not see the way the mavs were lined up and not make sure everyone is on the same page instead of just handing the ball to the warriors to inbound.

Who gives a flying ****. It's not their job to prevent their own stupidity.

[Johnny Bball]

My biggest problem with all this is why the warriors didn't take a 3. With 4 rebounders there.

Kind of stupid really.

[Johnny Bball]

No bud, look at the video someone posted earlier.

They call it Mavs ball all along.

No, the ref points to the right immediately after the ball goes out indicating Dubs possession.

He then blows his whistle and points to the left towards the bench indicating a Dallas timeout.

I can see how there was a misunderstanding, but ultimately the Dallas bench dropped the ball.

Third motion maybe, first is ball right, 2nd is timeout to the left, third is point to the left? I presume that the 2nd and third are one signal and that confused someone somewhere as it did me.

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So can someone help me here with the refs third signal? And the quick disucssion with the GSW player only?

[KawhiSoSerious]

Is it a brain fart? I think that one of the ref indicated that it was their ball. If it’s the case, the refs changed the game.

Who was supposed to get the ball? Did the refs give it to the wrong team or lied to one of the team?

The Mavs should have just refused to keep going until it gets cleared.

It makes me wonder why then did the Mavs not have an inbounder and receiver in position to inbound the ball if they thought it was their ball.

Is there a time frame for the team to get there in X seconds or the ball gets inbounded?

Yes there is. Have you never seen that before? Whether it was a defensive team coming out of a timeout too slowly or an offensive team going to the inbounds spot too slowly, the ref can give the ball (or place the ball on the ground if it is the offensive team being to slow) and start counting to 5 with one or both of the teams “not ready “.

[iserp]

To me it seems that Mavs players knew they were defending, saw the referee and the warriors players standing on the baseline with the ball, and naturally went to the other side as if the warriors were inbounding from their own side. If they thought they were attacking, a player would have been next to the referee with the ball.

[Myth]

No, the ref points to the right immediately after the ball goes out indicating Dubs possession.

He then blows his whistle and points to the left towards the bench indicating a Dallas timeout.

I can see how there was a misunderstanding, but ultimately the Dallas bench dropped the ball.

Third motion maybe, first is ball right, 2nd is timeout to the left, third is point to the left? I presume that the 2nd and third are one signal and that confused someone somewhere as it did me.

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So can someone help me here with the refs third signal? And the quick disucssion with the GSW player only?

I’m not sure what 3rd signal you are talking about? Are you talking about his hands vaguely gesturing in the direction of the Mavericks in the face to face conversation with Looney?

Edit: Or are you talking about the point right, right palm up with whistle, then point to Mavs bench? I consider the right palm up and point to the Mavs bench as 1 gesture because it is all part of what refs do in a timeout call. I believe the hand up and whistle is a signal to the timekeepers to make sure the clock is stopped, and the point was to signal that the timeout is being issued to the Mavs.

[Billl]

The mavs screwed up, but the refs screwed up much worse. Any decent ref would have just blew the whistle a couple time and re-indicated possession. You don't just start the game back up after timeout when the other team is at the other end of the floor. I can't even count the number of times a team lingered in the huddle longer than they were supposed and the refs give them a quick whistle and everyone runs back into position.

[Nate505]

To me it seems that Mavs players knew they were defending, saw the referee and the warriors players standing on the baseline with the ball, and naturally went to the other side as if the warriors were inbounding from their own side. If they thought they were attacking, a player would have been next to the referee with the ball.

If they thought they were defending they are massively dumb.

[Myth]

The mavs screwed up, but the refs screwed up much worse. Any decent ref would have just blew the whistle a couple time and re-indicated possession. You don't just start the game back up after timeout when the other team is at the other end of the floor. I can't even count the number of times a team lingered in the huddle longer than they were supposed and the refs give them a quick whistle and everyone runs back into position.

I have always wondered why the NBA hasn't cracked down on that given they say they want to speed the game up. Simple delay of game calls would get teams to move their asses. That said, this situation may be slightly different since all of the players were on the court and there wasn't coaching staff still linger on the court. Players had seemingly stood in their general positions that they were in, and I guess the refs decided it isn't their jobs to coach them on strategies. I'm not saying this was right of the refs to do, I'm just saying I see the situations slightly different from each other.

[leolozon]

To me it seems that Mavs players knew they were defending, saw the referee and the warriors players standing on the baseline with the ball, and naturally went to the other side as if the warriors were inbounding from their own side. If they thought they were attacking, a player would have been next to the referee with the ball.

Why would they have been there? It's not "be there at 8h31" or else we inbound the ball. Plus, if the Mavs were confused and a ref was with them, why would they think that the game would start without them?

The refs probably have had many opportunities throughout the history of the NBA to give the ball to the inbounder before the other team was ready? It's not like both teams always get there at the same time.

The ref screwed up.

[DonaldSanders]

So can someone help me here with the refs third signal? And the quick disucssion with the GSW player only?

Signal 1: Warrior ball
Signal 2: Timeout charged to the Mavs
Signal 3: Clarifying possession because Looney and Wood were confused.

Looney didn't realize there was a timeout called, he thought possession was overturned. The ref explained to him that a timeout was called and that it was Warrior ball, and he signals Warrior ball a 2nd time. You can see Christian Wood arguing it should be Mavs ball while the ref is pointing Warrior ball with his thumb.

At minimum Wood should have explained to Kidd that it was not Mavs ball, pretty weird.

[JonFromVA]

Gotta say, I have no problem with the Mavs being penalized for not knowing what was going on, after all they knocked the ball out of bounds and if the floor announcer got it wrong, well the game was in Dallas.

It was on Jason Kidd to pay attention to what was happening on the floor, call a timeout before the inbounds, and get things sorted out. If he'd rather gift 2 points to the W's than burn another timeout? That's his option.

I'm sure Marc Cuban doesn't like his coaches, players, and franchise being turned in to a joke and would much prefer if someone else was to blame, but he's only making it worse.

[The Real Dalic]

I think after the timeout, the Mavs screwed up. However, it should've never been Warriors ball since Looney absolutely fouled Luka by grabbing his jersey and throwing him to the ground.

[Nuntius]

So that’s the dumb **** that cost me a bet. Mavs.…smh.

I do feel bad for whoever bet on this particular game.

Yeah it wasn't much money. I bet small and I'm just doing it to see if I could do it at a larger scale scuccessfully.

I just noticed, Draymond Green was playing. Green and 2 or 3 others were listed as out an hour before the game, and they all played. I wish the NBA would get it together on injury reports, because they still don't have it set. You pretty much have to wait for warmups or you can get screwed. I'm going to assume everyone has gone through this that bets and they will laugh, but its just annoying though.

That play when you see it all, not the cut off version, looks like he calls GSW ball after both other calls, but he's partly sheilded by a player and it's a late call. The no calls though the other plays people are complaining about are just bad.

Yeah, same here. I only bet tiny, tiny amounts just to make myself feel more invested in RS games.

[Nuntius]

A goal in soccer is vastly more valuable when a typical soccer game ends like 2-1, meanwhile 2 points in an NBA game is worth about 1/30th or 1/40th of a point in soccer.

Absolutely true but maverick_41 did have a point when he mentioned that a football team abusing the fair play rule to score a goal would be endlessly criticized. Unless they make up for it, of course.

From around one month ago:

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Cup game (meaning single-elimination) in Scotland between the Rangers and Partick Thistle. Patrick Thistle are inbounding the ball with the intention to kick a long ball towards the Rangers' side of the field. Pretty standard fair play. Well, Malik Tillman didn't get the memo, he stole the ball from the Partick Thistle defender and went on to score. He immediately gets mobbed by the Patrick Thistle players who were furious at him because, well, you aren't supposed to pull BS like that. You just don't do that. Everyone knows that, including the other Rangers players which is why they are apologetic towards the Partick Thistle players while they're trying to get Tillman away from them. But anyway the goal is awarded and the game gets ready for kickoff. What does Rangers' coach do next? He calls in his team's captain (Tavernier) and instructs him to relay the following message to the rest of the team: Let Partick Thistle score. Do absolutely nothing as one of their players waltzes in and equalizes the game. The coach, obviously, couldn't do anything about his player going off-script and scoring like that but what he can absolutely do is make up for it the way they did. The fans are booing this but Beale (Rangers' coach) was 100% correct to instruct his team to let the opponents score. You just aren't supposed to abuse the fair play rule to score a goal like Tillman did in this case.

Now, can what the Warriors did in this case be compared to the video above? No, I don't think that they are comparable. I don't think that the Warriors did anything wrong in this case. I believe that the fault here lies with the refs. They failed to adequately communicate what was happening to the Mavericks.

I just haven't seen this type of problem ever before, it would be one thing if this happened all the time but I have never seen 5 players of an opposing team inbounds a ball after a time out and have 0 defenders within 10-15 feet of any of them. If this was a major issue and happened every say 10 games or more then sure we could discuss how it should be handled, but when you could watch 1000's of NBA games and see this type of thing once out of those 1000's it's not an issue to me.

Oh, yeah, what happened in that Mavs game was super rare and had very little to do with the video I posted or my reply to you and maverick_41. As I said, I don't think that there's a valid comparison between the two. I simply took the opportunity to talk about the fair play rule in association football a bit and give an example about it.

As far as the Mavs-Warriors incident is concerned, what happened was something I've never quite seen before. In my opinion, it was the refs' fault for failing to communicate the call to the Mavericks. I don't view it as an overarching problem or anything.

[Nuntius]

Bottom line - the ref should have held the ball to make sure the Mavs coach and players knew that it was Warriors ball. To just hand it to the Warriors when it's very clear that the Mavs are confused was stupid. It doesn't have to be in the rulebook to do the right thing. The right thing was to make sure the Mavs knew whose ball it was and where. There was obviously confusion on the Mavs side.

Also, while the Warriors knew it was their ball, initially Looney also thought the ref was calling it Mavs ball and started complaining to the ref. Then the ref explained it to Looney, and most likely Looney communicated that to Kerr and the rest of the team. Meanwhile the Mavs just assumed it was their ball because they saw the ref signal twice in the Mavs' direction - once with his hand up, and another time while pointing. Once Looney made that protest, the ref should have immediately known that there was confusion about the call, and made it clear to both benches whose ball it was.

Why the Mavs weren't at that end to inbound it is beyond me. My guess is they froze because they were confused that all the Warriors players were lining up on that side of the court. So maybe they didn't think the game was restarting yet. I don't know.

Also, LOL @ Jason Kidd.

Yep. This 100%.