Ty Lue may step down as coach this summer. Ballmer growing impatient with the current roster.

[XTC]

Kawhi was injured when the Raps won the title. The exact same team finished 53-19 the next season without Kawhi. Kawhi was injured when we won the title.

Balmer has gone the opposite route, investing in starpower vs depth, and then he's complaining and pin pointing everything on Lue?

Lue has done just as much you could achieve with what has happened to his stars.

[Sofia]

They were finally on the right path, and then they decided to listen to PG13 and sign Westbrick

If you think they were on the right path up until about 4 weeks ago you are sorely mistaken

[Lockdown504090]

Hate to say I told you so, but...

But lets face it. This core was doomed by the price OKC held Toronto and LAC to. Toronto was pissed off and declined on George. LAC paid the price. It was a price that handcuffed the franchise for the entire run. And that... you can blame Kawhi for most of it really. He just had to have faith they could add a quality player without making it one and one player only. They guys that came up the following years they could have added ... wow. They would have won title keeping AGA and trading picks instead. The rest of the blame is on Balmer for his impatience.

if they had sga instead of pg they would still have 0 rings and finals birth if kawhi tears his acl. toronto also would have 0 rings in any season he tears his acl. nobody can win when their best player tears their acl.

[hauntedcomputer]

Baby billionaire tears are so sweet

[Memories]

Can you blame Ballmer?

Absolutely. I mean, am I reading this right?

Lawrence Frank is running the team?

All the money in the world, and Ballmer replaced Doc Rivers with Frank?

And let’s be real: the dude has made so many moves to spite the Lakers. Whatever player the Lakers were interested in, the Clippers were right there front and center. Even if the Clippers didn’t need that certain player. For Christ sake, they have Covington just wasting away on the bench as a two way wing player.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Absolutely. I mean, am I reading this right?

Lawrence Frank is running the team?

All the money in the world, and Ballmer replaced Doc Rivers with Frank?

Can you blame Ballmer for being upset I mean. Ballmer is a very hands off owner. He lets the guys he hires make decisions in their roles. Not sure how it’s his fault if Frank, Lue, players underachieve. all an owner can realistically do is open up the pocketbook and maintain a professional, safe culture. He’s done that.

What’s sad is if they rebuild, the chances of landing a superstar rookie like SGA tier are slim to none.

Oh, that's not all he can do, not by a long shot; and even if he wanted to abrogate all his his responsibility, his biggest decision was still who he was going to let run things and for how long.

Frank was a great Gm the last few years until recently. He won exec of the year, then runner up the year before. Lue was coaching really well prior to this year. What could he have done differently?

[Memories]

re: Lue, Hate to say I told you so, but...

But lets face it. This core was doomed by the price OKC held Toronto and LAC to. Toronto was pissed off and declined on George. LAC paid the price. It was a price that handcuffed the franchise for the entire run. And that... you can blame Kawhi for most of it really. He just had to have faith they could add a quality player without making it one and one player only. They guys that came up the following years they could have added ... wow. They would have won a title keeping SGA and trading picks for a star instead. The rest of the blame is on Balmer for his impatience. He should fire himself with Lue.

Although let’s face it, if the Clippers didn’t pay that price to OKC, Kawhi would have went to the Lakers and they would be on their way to a 4 peat right now.

[Johnny Bball]

re: Lue, Hate to say I told you so, but...

But lets face it. This core was doomed by the price OKC held Toronto and LAC to. Toronto was pissed off and declined on George. LAC paid the price. It was a price that handcuffed the franchise for the entire run. And that... you can blame Kawhi for most of it really. He just had to have faith they could add a quality player without making it one and one player only. They guys that came up the following years they could have added ... wow. They would have won a title keeping SGA and trading picks for a star instead. The rest of the blame is on Balmer for his impatience. He should fire himself with Lue.

Although let’s face it, if the Clippers didn’t pay that price to OKC, Kawhi would have went to the Lakers and they would be on their way to a 4 peat right now.

Then do what Toronto had to do... walk away. But Kawhi was never going to the Lakers and would have still signed IMO.

[Memories]

re: Lue, Hate to say I told you so, but...

But lets face it. This core was doomed by the price OKC held Toronto and LAC to. Toronto was pissed off and declined on George. LAC paid the price. It was a price that handcuffed the franchise for the entire run. And that... you can blame Kawhi for most of it really. He just had to have faith they could add a quality player without making it one and one player only. They guys that came up the following years they could have added ... wow. They would have won a title keeping SGA and trading picks for a star instead. The rest of the blame is on Balmer for his impatience. He should fire himself with Lue.

Although let’s face it, if the Clippers didn’t pay that price to OKC, Kawhi would have went to the Lakers and they would be on their way to a 4 peat right now.

Then do what Toronto had to do... walk away. But Kawhi was never going to the Lakers and would have still signed IMO.

Pretty sure it was known that Toronto was just a 1 year gig for him. Dude was LA bound was he was free to do so. It was just a matter of which LA team was more attractive to him.

[Clay Davis]

re: Lue, Hate to say I told you so, but...

But lets face it. This core was doomed by the price OKC held Toronto and LAC to. Toronto was pissed off and declined on George. LAC paid the price. It was a price that handcuffed the franchise for the entire run. And that... you can blame Kawhi for most of it really. He just had to have faith they could add a quality player without making it one and one player only. They guys that came up the following years they could have added ... wow. They would have won a title keeping SGA and trading picks for a star instead. The rest of the blame is on Balmer for his impatience. He should fire himself with Lue.

Yup. They hamstrung (heh) themselves.

[Scoundreldays]

More blood on Marcus Morris' hands. Jk

[SK21209]

re: Lue, Hate to say I told you so, but...

But lets face it. This core was doomed by the price OKC held Toronto and LAC to. Toronto was pissed off and declined on George. LAC paid the price. It was a price that handcuffed the franchise for the entire run. And that... you can blame Kawhi for most of it really. He just had to have faith they could add a quality player without making it one and one player only. They guys that came up the following years they could have added ... wow. They would have won a title keeping SGA and trading picks for a star instead. The rest of the blame is on Balmer for his impatience. He should fire himself with Lue.

This is taking it a little too far IMO. When they were blowing out Utah in Game 4 of the 2021 WCSF they were probably the favorite to win the title that year. I think they beat Phoenix and it’s a toss up with Milwaukee if Kawhi doesn’t tear his ACL in garbage time of that game. That’s just bad luck. In 2020 I think they were the second best team in the league and would’ve given us a better series than Denver if not for the inexplicable collapse. I don’t think you can say the OKC trade handcuffed them when they were regarded as one of, if not the, most talented team going into 2020, 2021 and this season.

They were good enough to win titles in 2020 and 2021. The Nuggets meltdown is all on them for sure, but they’ve also just had horrible luck.

[Johnny Bball]

Although let’s face it, if the Clippers didn’t pay that price to OKC, Kawhi would have went to the Lakers and they would be on their way to a 4 peat right now.

Then do what Toronto had to do... walk away. But Kawhi was never going to the Lakers and would have still signed IMO.

Pretty sure it was known that Toronto was just a 1 year gig for him. Dude was LA bound was he was free to do so. It was just a matter of which LA team was more attractive to him.

Probabaly. But if they sent picks players for George and took Westbrooks contract, Kawhi would have come back apparently. But nobody does that. Maybe it was all just for show, but that was what OKC demanded.

Him and his buddy had it set for years to come to LA, but it was always the Clippers, so the story goes.

[Memories]

Then do what Toronto had to do... walk away. But Kawhi was never going to the Lakers and would have still signed IMO.

Pretty sure it was known that Toronto was just a 1 year gig for him. Dude was LA bound was he was free to do so. It was just a matter of which LA team was more attractive to him.

Probabaly. But if they sent picks players for George and took Westbrooks contract, Kawhi would have come back apparently. But nobody does that. Maybe it was all just for show, but that was what OKC demanded.

Him and his buddy had it set for years to come to LA, but it was always the Clippers, so the story goes.

What was the hypothetical deal with the Raptors?

[JonFromVA]

Can you blame Ballmer for being upset I mean. Ballmer is a very hands off owner. He lets the guys he hires make decisions in their roles. Not sure how it’s his fault if Frank, Lue, players underachieve. all an owner can realistically do is open up the pocketbook and maintain a professional, safe culture. He’s done that.

What’s sad is if they rebuild, the chances of landing a superstar rookie like SGA tier are slim to none.

Oh, that's not all he can do, not by a long shot; and even if he wanted to abrogate all his his responsibility, his biggest decision was still who he was going to let run things and for how long.

Frank was a great Gm the last few years until recently. He won exec of the year, then runner up the year before. Lue was coaching really well prior to this year. What could he have done differently?

The Clippers are in LA, so they're going to draw attention, but the team hasn't even won 50 games since Blake and CP3 were the headliners and Doc was running everything.

Certainly Ballmer wouldn't be the first owner to sign off on shuffling the deck chairs hoping his star players can manage to be healthy at the right time and maybe do some damage, but one obvious option is to just stop hoping and start thinking long-term.

I'm not a Clips fans and don't know how badly they've sold their future, but dang if the Nets didn't manage to slap together a 42-win with next to nothing for assets. The Clippers aren't much better than that WITH Leonard and George and those guys still have quite a lot of uplift, so, even if you want to bet on them ... the problem is pretty clear.

They need an actual team ... not a bunch of itinerant workers with the names changing every year.

As a Cavs fan, I've been there and done that in LeBron's first stint.

[CS707]

Clips are still paying the karma tax for Chris Paul. Probably need to bring in Kyrie to sage the place.

[Scoundreldays]

Ballmer isn't perfect but I can't totally blame him for being like this. It has been extremely frustrating watching this team underperform this year. Every chance they have had to pull away from the other seeds they consistently blow it.

Ballmer wants fast results but Ty Lue is kind of the opposite, he will have a bad lineup consistently for 10 games to see if they eventually mesh. It's a combination of all the people in the organization for how they operate from Ballmer, Ty Lue to Kawhi and PG.

[The Laker Kid]

Crappers over Banners

[OkcSinceSGA]

Ballmer isn't perfect but I can't totally blame him for being like this. It has been extremely frustrating watching this team underperform this year. Every chance they have had to pull away from the other seeds they consistently blow it.

Ballmer wants fast results but Ty Lue is kind of the opposite, he will have a bad lineup consistently for 10 games to see if they eventually mesh. It's a combination of all the people in the organization for how they operate from Ballmer, Ty Lue to Kawhi and PG.

Mann put up 16.5/6/4 as starter with great defense. The team looked their best all season. Today Lue starts 35 year old Eric Gordon and Morris again in a literal must win game. I almost feel like Klutch sports (Morris and Lue) are intentionally sabotaging that team.

[zeebneeb]

If this does happen, Gores has to fire Casey out of a cannon, and then pay Lou whatever he wants in Detroit.

He would be great with all that young talent.