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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#181 » by Zvaart » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:33 am

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(for reference Looney was the guy directly involved in the call and even he was confused)


Somebody already explained it. When the ref made the TO signal Loon had his head turned the other way, so he only saw him pointing out in the opposite direction. After that he explained it to Kevon, and you can even see Wood complaining at some point.

So yeah, it was on the Mavs, sorry.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#182 » by W_HAMILTON » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:51 am

Kobeskillz wrote:I remember a Kobe play where they tricked the Hornets to be on the wrong side. Not the same but that came to mind.


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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#183 » by Jerry Maine » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:22 am



This sheds a bit more light on what happened.

Looks to me like a brain fart. :lol:
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#184 » by baldur » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:43 am

it is on the mavs. 100 percent. it has been explained in legit ways from different perspectives. like vince carter says, if you think it is your ball, maybe pay some attention and move your lazy bum and go grab the ball to inbound the ball. there is nobody with blue jersey on the video. hahahahaa.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#185 » by baldur » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:46 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
art_tatum wrote:My biggest problem with all this is why the warriors didn't take a 3. With 4 rebounders there.


Kind of stupid really.


what? free lay up man. imagine an airball or bounces so far that gets out of bounds. I mean come on.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#186 » by baldur » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:47 am

Quattro wrote:How do the refs not see the way the mavs were lined up and not make sure everyone is on the same page instead of just handing the ball to the warriors to inbound.

Cuban complains about refs every 5 minutes but he’s got a point here. This was atrocious officiating.


it is not ref's job to tell the teams where to stand before an inbound pass.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#187 » by Nuntius » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:30 am

Lucky Clover wrote:
Dirk wrote:
iserp wrote:
I believe they were ready ... on the wrong side of the court.They were expecting the warriors to inbound, cross the court, and attack on the half of the court they were.


Maybe Looney was too, since he was running that way...



(for reference Looney was the guy directly involved in the call and even he was confused)


I find that harder to believe that Looney didn't know. Kerr explained after the game that he was drawing up a play and he and everyone on their team was fully aware it was their ball. So... yeah. Try again.


Why does Looney start running towards the other end at the start of the scoring play then? It's clear that something bamboozled him.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#188 » by Wise80 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:35 am

Nuntius wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Maybe Looney was too, since he was running that way...



(for reference Looney was the guy directly involved in the call and even he was confused)


I find that harder to believe that Looney didn't know. Kerr explained after the game that he was drawing up a play and he and everyone on their team was fully aware it was their ball. So... yeah. Try again.


Why does Looney start running towards the other end at the start of the scoring play then? It's clear that something bamboozled him.


Yeah. The Mavs lining up on the other end of the court ready to play defense.

I can't believe this is getting so big. Clearly GS realized it was there ball. Clearly the Mavs thought they were on defense with all 5 back. They were just on the wrong side of the court.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#189 » by Sofia » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:35 am

Nuntius wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Maybe Looney was too, since he was running that way...



(for reference Looney was the guy directly involved in the call and even he was confused)


I find that harder to believe that Looney didn't know. Kerr explained after the game that he was drawing up a play and he and everyone on their team was fully aware it was their ball. So... yeah. Try again.


Why does Looney start running towards the other end at the start of the scoring play then? It's clear that something bamboozled him.

Probably because 5 of the other 9 players on court were inexplicably clueless as to what was going on so he followed the crowd.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#190 » by Sofia » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:37 am

Side note, has Luka been fined yet for his paid off hand gesture?
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#191 » by gavran » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:38 am

Nuntius wrote:
Lucky Clover wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Maybe Looney was too, since he was running that way...



(for reference Looney was the guy directly involved in the call and even he was confused)


I find that harder to believe that Looney didn't know. Kerr explained after the game that he was drawing up a play and he and everyone on their team was fully aware it was their ball. So... yeah. Try again.


Why does Looney start running towards the other end at the start of the scoring play then? It's clear that something bamboozled him.


Maybe he realized the Mavs are messing up, and he wanted to make sure it stays that way.

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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#192 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:46 am

Maybe the Mavs tried a version of Vivek's cherrypick defense idea lol.

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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#193 » by Zvaart » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:49 pm

Another opinion, from TheAthletic:
Here’s what happened:

A loose ball went out of bounds. To my eyes, it looks like it went off Golden State’s Kevon Looney, but the referee clearly signals it’s Warriors ball.
Then, a scheduled timeout was automatically charged to Dallas, which was normal but still potentially disorienting, as Tim Cato explains. Perhaps momentarily misinterpreting the ref’s quick shift from signaling possession one way and then a timeout the other, Looney appears to briefly dispute the latter signal.
Coming out of the timeout, the Warriors had a five-on-zero practice session, running an inbound play against zero defense for an easy Looney dunk. Warriors up 90-87.
Why were the Mavs at the other end of the floor? They (non-momentarily) thought the refs had called Dallas ball. “The referee pointed toward our bench, but that was the signal of the timeout,” Jason Kidd said afterward. “But there was confusion.” The in-arena announcer also said so, according to Mark Cuban.
Cuban also claims the ref called it Dallas ball (the crew chief says he didn’t) and changed the call during the timeout (I don’t know of any evidence there), and then never told Dallas (sure, he didn’t let them know again that it was Warriors ball).
And Cuban put up a screenshot showing only two refs on that side of the court (which is odd). He also claimed Dallas had two guys going to inbound the ball, except they’re standing at half court, so that claim is a little ridiculous.
On the broadcast, Jeff Van Gundy mentioned it is odd for the refs to not clear up confusion prior to an inbound. That seems irrefutable. It’s weird to allow this without a professional courtesy. But the Mavericks also appear to have been wrong the whole time, because it doesn’t seem anyone ever signaled Mavs ball.
The Mavs hope their protest leads to a replaying of the game from that point. It will not be successful. Or I can’t imagine it will be. Adam Silver probably says there’s nothing to see here.

Following the loss, Luka Dončić was seen making a hand motion like refs were on the take. That will earn him a fine.

Ultimately, the Mavs misread a signal, the refs failed to clarify it and Dallas still had 13 minutes and 56 seconds to retake the lead. Oh wait, they did retake the lead with 3:52 left. And 3:17 left. And it was tied with 1:45 left. I know every bucket counts, especially for a team now on the Play-In bubble, but this is an absurd protest.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#194 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:55 pm

Seems Dallas got confused and thought the ref changed the call from warriors ball to dallas ball (but ref was signaling that it was dallas who called the time out) - I could see why it was confusing since it was so quick. But both sides should have confirmed during timeout where ball was. I see blame on both but nba will side with refs
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#195 » by Myth » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:02 pm

svart wrote:Then, a scheduled timeout was automatically charged to Dallas, which was normal but still potentially disorienting, as Tim Cato explains. Perhaps momentarily misinterpreting the ref’s quick shift from signaling possession one way and then a timeout the other, .

Quick thought on the "quick shift" from signaling out of bounds to time out. I've heard people complain that it was too quick, but this is also standard. The moment there is a dead ball in that situation, the timeout is automatic. If the ref doesn't make the timeout call quickly, then game clock continues to run, which is not supposed to happen.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#196 » by kg01 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:04 pm

Mavs were wrong here, for all the reasons already stated. Just chiming in to say the refs could've paused once they saw it was odd that they were standing on the wrong end.

But they aren't required to do so.

It's possible they thought the matter had already been explained and the Mavs were purposely delaying the game in protest.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#197 » by Zvaart » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:42 pm

kg01 wrote:Mavs were wrong here, for all the reasons already stated. Just chiming in to say the refs could've paused once they saw it was odd that they were standing on the wrong end.

But they aren't required to do so.

It's possible they thought the matter had already been explained and the Mavs were purposely delaying the game in protest.


Yeah, this would have been the fair-play thing to do. they are not required, but also i think is not against the rule to do it, isn't it?
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#198 » by Nate505 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:50 pm

Sofia wrote:Side note, has Luka been fined yet for his paid off hand gesture?

Doesn't seem like it. How that guy gets away with all this stuff is beyond me, other than the regular star player nonsense.
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#199 » by Quattro » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:08 pm

baldur wrote:
Quattro wrote:How do the refs not see the way the mavs were lined up and not make sure everyone is on the same page instead of just handing the ball to the warriors to inbound.

Cuban complains about refs every 5 minutes but he’s got a point here. This was atrocious officiating.


it is not ref's job to tell the teams where to stand before an inbound pass.


You’re missing the point
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Re: Mavericks brain fart 

Post#200 » by GunnerWRX » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:14 pm

In my little girl’s game the ref would have stopped the inbound, and would tell the girls on the other side to come back, wait for them to set the defense, before allowing the inbound to happen.

That’s what Cuban and Mavs fan think should happen.

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