Scoot Henderson

[clyde21]

Small guards who have high usage (30%+) are always bad defenders. I don't think it's a coincidence. There is only so much energy you can expend in a game on both ends.

Universally (I haven't found an exception yet), the guards we are talking about as good or great defenders always have usage rates roughly maxing out at 25% USG.

So the real question here you should be asking is whether Scoot is a 30% usage guy who will suck on D or a 25% usg guy who could excel on D. Coaches and GM's should ask the same thing.

Just checked CP3's usage data and this checks out.

Marcus Smart always has really low usage too.

this is true for any player at any position lol...what happened to Kawhis defense when his offensive usage went up?

[JMAC3]

people just need to be honest with themselves with Scoot, either you have him top 5 or you don't, there is no way you can have issues with his size, shooting, finishing, defense and his overall archetype and still have him top 5. if I did I know I wouldn't.

I don't understand why you ignore what is said and instead try to push your own narrative that other people are lying about their big board. Are you saying you have no issues with any prospect in your top 5?

I am going to critique a prospect in the top 5 more than I am someone who is going 35th. Especially if I am comparing him to other guys in the top 5. It is not like people are dragging him and in the same conversation trying to sell you on Ajay Mitchell or Marcus Sasser. The entire conversation has been based around whether Scoot should be a lock at 2, not if he is good enough to play in the NBA.

[God Squad]

How this thread looks. .

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The Reality.

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Both sides are making valid points. It's okay to disagree.

[God Squad]

I see both sides. Clyde's right that just because you have the frame and WS doesn't mean you're going to be a good defender. Just look at Knox as an example. Has the size, WS and all the positional versatility you'd want. But then I understand where others are coming from in that Scoot doesn't look like a good defender to me, regardless of wingspan.

I still think it's a toss up between Miller and Scoot for #2.

[clyde21]

people just need to be honest with themselves with Scoot, either you have him top 5 or you don't, there is no way you can have issues with his size, shooting, finishing, defense and his overall archetype and still have him top 5. if I did I know I wouldn't.

I don't understand why you ignore what is said and instead try to push your own narrative that other people are lying about their big board. Are you saying you have no issues with any prospect in your top 5?

I am going to critique a prospect in the top 5 more than I am someone who is going 35th. Especially if I am comparing him to other guys in the top 5. It is not like people are dragging him and in the same conversation trying to sell you on Ajay Mitchell or Marcus Sasser. The entire conversation has been based around whether Scoot should be a lock at 2, not if he is good enough to play in the NBA.

no one is saying Scoot is without flaws - but you're completely destroying his game in this thread and have been for 20+ pages, and then still pretending he's a top 5 pick for you. that's good way of getting everyone to ignore your takes.

[Big J]

If you don’t want to talk about Scoots let’s talk about Millers flaws. What flaws does Miller have that make him worse than Scoot? I can even admit that Scoot seems to make better off the court choices.

[SeattleJazzFan]

people just need to be honest with themselves with Scoot, either you have him top 5 or you don't, there is no way you can have issues with his size, shooting, finishing, defense and his overall archetype and still have him top 5. if I did I know I wouldn't.

meh, i have issues with all of that and have him top 5. he's 19, he's far from a finished product - it's okay if there are concerns with several areas of his game. guys improve. right now they might be legit concerns, but maybe his upside outweighs a lot of that. guys improve - go figure.

[clyde21]

people just need to be honest with themselves with Scoot, either you have him top 5 or you don't, there is no way you can have issues with his size, shooting, finishing, defense and his overall archetype and still have him top 5. if I did I know I wouldn't.

meh, i have issues with all of that and have him top 5. he's 19, he's far from a finished product - it's okay if there are concerns with several areas of his game. guys improve. right now they might be legit concerns, but maybe his upside outweighs a lot of that. guys improve - go figure.

sry, that doesn't make any sense - if Scoot's too small, can't defend, can't shoot, can't score or play with any force and hasn't improved at all in the last year apparently, there are are least two dozen players you should have ranked ahead of him.

if that's the case what's the difference between Scoot and Mintz? why not have Mintz top 5?

[Big J]

people just need to be honest with themselves with Scoot, either you have him top 5 or you don't, there is no way you can have issues with his size, shooting, finishing, defense and his overall archetype and still have him top 5. if I did I know I wouldn't.

meh, i have issues with all of that and have him top 5. he's 19, he's far from a finished product - it's okay if there are concerns with several areas of his game. guys improve. right now they might be legit concerns, but maybe his upside outweighs a lot of that. guys improve - go figure.

sry, that doesn't make any sense - if Scoot's too small, can't defend, can't shoot, can't score or play with any force and hasn't improved at all in the last year apparently, there are are least two dozen players you should have ranked ahead of him.

if that's the case what's the difference between Scoot and Mintz? why not have Mintz top 5?

He just said it, upside.

[JMAC3]

if that's the case what's the difference between Scoot and Mintz? why not have Mintz top 5?

Probably the same reason he isn't in your top 5, or anyone's top 5. Not sure what you are trying to get at right there.

[clyde21]

if that's the case what's the difference between Scoot and Mintz? why not have Mintz top 5?

Probably the same reason he isn't in your top 5, or anyone's top 5. Not sure what you are trying to get at right there.

i'm not the one listing all these issues for Scoot, you are, so you're more than welcome to explain why Scoot's in there but not Mintz, or even someone like Wallace.

[Hal14]

Someone on a different board on here made a good comp for Scoot...Baron Davis

B Diddy was a monster athlete. Look at the Kirilenko dunk. Scoot is only doing that dunk in his dreams. Jay Williams is a better comp.

You clearly never seen Jay Williams play at Duke. 10x better shooter than Scoot, c'mon now.

This looks more like Baron Davis than Jay Williams to me:

Watch on YouTube

[clyde21]

i already made the B Diddy comp on pg 16 of this thread, but I like Detroit Chauncey even better.

honestly the best semi recent comp I can come up with is Detroit Chauncey Billups, from like 06-09, but more athletic, kinda like Baron Davis athleticism/physical profile.

B-Diddy would also be a good comp I guess, but more Hornets BD instead of Warriors BD

so whoever u got that comp from probably got it from here.

[JMAC3]

Someone on a different board on here made a good comp for Scoot...Baron Davis

B Diddy was a monster athlete. Look at the Kirilenko dunk. Scoot is only doing that dunk in his dreams. Jay Williams is a better comp.

You clearly never seen Jay Williams play at Duke. 10x better shooter than Scoot, c'mon now.

This looks more like Baron Davis than Jay Williams to me:

Watch on YouTube

I can't wait to see this same Scoot dunk 980 times over the two months.

[Big J]

Baron Davis shooting stats were low key pretty trash, and he was a minus defender, so I guess I can kind of see that comp a little. Never won much with the Hornets. Made 2 all star games in his career... **** you're making our case for us.

[JMAC3]

I can't wait to see this same Scoot dunk 980 times over the two months.

Can anyone find total dunks Scoot has on the season? I have tried unable to find.

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/is-scoot-henderson-the-2nd-best-player
I saw an article say he only had 11 dunks on 17 attempts this year (written on March 3). At that point he had played 21 games.
Roughly half a dunk a game. Not sure how many dunks he had over his final 4 games or if that initial number shared in the article was accurate.

[JMAC3]

it's also facts that teams hunt mismatches on bigger players too. you don't think teams try to get slow and unathletic bigs/wings in ISO?

Of course that doesn't change anything I said.

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If you had to rank the top 7 prospects... Wemby, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Miller, Jarace and Whitmore 1-7 in terms of the level of defender they are in the league how do you rank them?

I can find more defensive highlights for these players, but here is why so many are high on Amen defensive upside.
https://youtu.be/7f8rW7zOxno?t=679

On ball defense, active hands, reading passing lanes, weakside/recovery rim protection. he has all the tools you look for.

[EvanZ]

I can't wait to see this same Scoot dunk 980 times over the two months.

Can anyone find total dunks Scoot has on the season? I have tried unable to find.

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/is-scoot-henderson-the-2nd-best-player
I saw an article say he only had 11 dunks on 17 attempts this year (written on March 3). At that point he had played 21 games.
Roughly half a dunk a game. Not sure how many dunks he had over his final 4 games or if that initial number shared in the article was accurate.

16 from what I heard

[Big J]

I think a lot of the hype for him comes from the fact that he has a cool sounding nickname.

[Laimbeer]

I was going to start a thread asking if Scoot is fairly certain to go second - I think my answer is 'no'.