Rui Hachimura 2.0

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Like the two of you, I hope Rui knocks it out of the park in LA. I hope he becomes an incredibly productive player & has a long & terrific career.
Unlike the two of you, I'm objective: I look it all that he does, good & bad.

Like the two of you, I think Rui had a truly outstanding game vs. Memphis.
Unlike the two of you, I notice that Rui has played 4 games in March; in those games, overall, he's shot 13 for 31, including 2-9 in 3-pt attempts -- 28 points out of 31 shots, & I see that that, sadly, is definitely not good.

Then again, like you, I see that Rui also went 6-6 from the charity stripe -- which is good.
Yet, being objective, unlike you, I do the math to discover that in those 4 games he's posted a TS% of .505, which -- sadly -- is absolutely terrible.

Then, scanning down the page, I look at February: for the month Rui shot 33-78. That's really not good. 5 of the makes were 3-pointers, 19-25 on FTs, for a TS% of .506.

Overall, as a Laker, Rui has been somewhat better than he was with us earlier in the season -- not as a scorer (he's been distinctly worse as a scorer, & he wasn't good with us!) but in some other ways.

Above all, he's rebounded significantly better than he did with us, especially on the offensive end -- he's actually doubled his offensive rebounding rate! Well done, Rui!

Since his turnovers are also down, his overall effect on team possessions is far better than it was here (despite a little drop in his steals).

Is he playing at an above average level overall? Or, even, an average level? Overall? No, he's not. But, still, he's been better. He's been more than good enough to stay in the league, & I hope that's how it works out!

Is he anything like the player you two guys would like him to be? No, he sure isn't. &, given that Rui Hachimura is a 25 year old player coming to the end of his 4th season in the NBA, there's next to no likelihood of him ever becoming anything remotely resembling the guy you two are producing out of your imaginations.

[tleikheen]

last 2 games : 17 pts (7/11) /plus 22 against Grizzlies ........ tonight, 16pts (7/9) / plus 21 against Raptors both wins

Wiz bench last 2 games : 22 pts total against Hawks ........ tonight 17 pts total against Hawks again. ,both losses

Rui is doing what the Wiz lack right now ,scoring in the 2nd unit ,scoring besides only the solid 3

And where was Nunn- .....

[JWizmentality]

Deni has been pretty crap for a while now. I wish Rui would stop holding him back.

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last 2 games : 17 pts (7/11) /plus 22 against Grizzlies ........ tonight, 16pts (7/9) / plus 21 against Raptors....

Perfect example of what I mean by lacking objectivity. Couldn't ask for better!

There is no doubt about it, Rui went 7/11 & 7/9 in his last two games. Great!
Thing is, in his previous 3 games, he went 6/20 -- but you see no reason to mention that.

Put them all together, & what do we get? In those 5 games, Rui went 20/40. Is that good? No, that's not good. But that's his last 5 games.

In his previous 10 games prior to those 5, Rui went 33-78. Is that good? Sadly, no its not.

Combine all that, & in his last 15 games, Rui has gone 53 for 118.
Is that good? No, it's not -- it's a .449 FG%

But, we should figure in his 3-pointers, right? He's made 8 of them. That means he's gotten 114 points out of 118 FGAs.

Is that good? No. It's not good. It's bad. It's bad when Rui does it; it's bad when anyone does it.

All the same, Rui is playing better for LA than he played for us. & that definitely is good. If he can keep it up, he'll stay in the league.

Better yet, if he can improve on it significantly, he'll become a good NBA player. Which is what we all hope for this extremely nice kid!

[Dat2U]

Deni has been pretty crap for a while now. I wish Rui would stop holding him back.

Deni's regression is disheartening. I don't know what happened but he's clearly trending the wrong direction. I viewed him as the only young guy with potential to be more than a backup rotation piece at the start of the season and now I have doubts about that.

[AFM]

Deni has been pretty crap for a while now. I wish Rui would stop holding him back.

Deni's regression is disheartening. I don't know what happened but he's clearly trending the wrong direction. I viewed him as the only young guy with potential to be more than a backup rotation piece at the start of the season and now I have doubts about that.

Agreed.
His potential is obvious. Maybe a team like the spurs could rehabilite him. We have zero track record of doing so.

[Kanyewest]

Deni has been pretty crap for a while now. I wish Rui would stop holding him back.

Deni's regression is disheartening. I don't know what happened but he's clearly trending the wrong direction. I viewed him as the only young guy with potential to be more than a backup rotation piece at the start of the season and now I have doubts about that.

Maybe Deni is still dealing with that stomach bug that took him out of the Raptors game. Still, he really struggled in the 2nd half of this one after an even worse showing in the previous game. The Wizards needed Deni to play well especially since Goodwin did essentially nothing offensively and the Wizards had to battle back from a huge deficit to make it a game.

[leswizards]

Totally unfair.
Brad is having a career year under Wes.
Wright is playing extremely well under Wes.
Monte Morris is having an excellent season.
Gafford is thriving under Wes.
Deni improved under Wes last year, & he's improved again this year.

Meanwhile, Bertans, Harrell, & Ish are all having terrible years with their new teams.

First, it isn’t unfair. Second, you are flat out wrong.

I get that ws/48 is not a perfect stat, but it is good enough to demonstrate the following. All the following players have had a ws/48 far below their career norms under Wes jr, and all rebounded to their career norms once no longer on a team coached by Wes jr: KCP, Dinwiddie, Aaron Holiday, Raul Neto, Davis Bertrans, and Thomas Bryant.

Will Barton’s ws/48 is far below his career norms. Will it rebound once he is on another team? Is the production that the Wizards get from Rui, Deni, Kispert and Davis a true reflection of their capabilities? Or is their production hindered by an incompetent coach? I don’t know the answer to those questions, but I have my suspicions.

Not going to argue with you, my friend -- where would it get us? You're presenting an opinion, & you have a right to it. TBH, I doubt you're qualified to judge Unseld as a coach, but it is equally true that I'm not either. Let it be.

Here is where you admit that you are unqualified to judge coaches. You are correct every post you write about wuj proves that.

[leswizards]

...Furthermore, taking into account, that almost everyone who the Wizards have traded since Wes jr has been the team’s head coach has rebounded to their career norms once out from under Wes’ coaching...

Totally unfair.
Brad is having a career year under Wes.
Wright is playing extremely well under Wes.
Monte Morris is having an excellent season.
Gafford is thriving under Wes.
Deni improved under Wes last year, & he's improved again this year.

Meanwhile, Bertans, Harrell, & Ish are all having terrible years with their new teams.

First, it isn’t unfair. Second, you are flat out wrong.

I get that ws/48 is not a perfect stat, but it is good enough to demonstrate the following. All the following players have had a ws/48 far below their career norms under Wes jr, and all rebounded to their career norms once no longer on a team coached by Wes jr: KCP, Dinwiddie, Aaron Holiday, Raul Neto, Davis Bertrans, and Thomas Bryant.

Will Barton’s ws/48 is far below his career norms. Will it rebound once he is on another team? Is the production that the Wizards get from Rui, Deni, Kispert and Davis a true reflection of their capabilities? Or is their production hindered by an incompetent coach? I don’t know the answer to those questions, but I have my suspicions.

Here is the first of 2 posts where I provide factual evidence that players consistently under perform under wuj.

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Since I suspect that before long, someone is going to come along and tell me what an awful stat ws/48 is, I went backed and checked the ortg and drtg for all the aforementioned players with the exception of the Wizards first rounders (I excluded them because I didn’t think they had enough seasons to make a fair comparison). In every case, the player had one of their worst ortg of their career playing under Wes jr. In every case but 1, they also had one of their worst drtg playing under Wes jr.

Here is the second post where I show players consistently under perform under wuj.

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First, it isn’t unfair. Second, you are flat out wrong.

I get that ws/48 is not a perfect stat, but it is good enough to demonstrate the following. All the following players have had a ws/48 far below their career norms under Wes jr, and all rebounded to their career norms once no longer on a team coached by Wes jr: KCP, Dinwiddie, Aaron Holiday, Raul Neto, Davis Bertrans, and Thomas Bryant.

Will Barton’s ws/48 is far below his career norms. Will it rebound once he is on another team? Is the production that the Wizards get from Rui, Deni, Kispert and Davis a true reflection of their capabilities? Or is their production hindered by an incompetent coach? I don’t know the answer to those questions, but I have my suspicions.

Not going to argue with you, my friend -- where would it get us? You're presenting an opinion, & you have a right to it. TBH, I doubt you're qualified to judge Unseld as a coach, but it is equally true that I'm not either. Let it be.

Here is where you admit that you are unqualified to judge coaches. You are correct every post you write about wuj proves that.

You're funny! & very persistent. & you are looking for an argument. You won't get it from me.

I imagine I've watched more basketball games than you by an order of magnitude. NBA & college. Thought about it more. & for longer. Have seen more coaches come & go than you.

Of course, in fairness, that doesn't make me right or you wrong. But, at least I'm not making nonsensical claims:

1. Bertans was worse in '20-21 than he was under WUJ the following year. He's no better w/ Dallas.
2. Holiday hasn't "bounced back" either under a different coach.
3. Bryant, unfortunately, has been pretty poor so far for Denver. He was dynamite for LA, however. What he did for us last year is irrelevant. Obviously he wasn't recovered from his injury.
4. Rui was no better or worse under Wes than he was under our previous coach. He's also no better out in LA.

Why don't you explain, exactly, how you think that Wes might be holding Kispert back. What's Wes doing that creates a problem in CK's development? That would be a fun read!

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Not going to argue with you, my friend -- where would it get us? You're presenting an opinion, & you have a right to it. TBH, I doubt you're qualified to judge Unseld as a coach, but it is equally true that I'm not either. Let it be.

Here is where you admit that you are unqualified to judge coaches. You are correct every post you write about wuj proves that.

You're funny! & very persistent. & you are looking for an argument. You won't get it from me.

I imagine I've watched more basketball games than you by an order of magnitude. NBA & college. Thought about it more. & for longer. Have seen more coaches come & go than you.

Of course, in fairness, that doesn't make me right or you wrong. But, at least I'm not making nonsensical claims:

1. Bertans was worse in '20-21 than he was under WUJ the following year. He's no better w/ Dallas.
2. Holiday hasn't "bounced back" either under a different coach.
3. Bryant, unfortunately, has been pretty poor so far for Denver. He was dynamite for LA, however. What he did for us last year is irrelevant. Obviously he wasn't recovered from his injury.
4. Rui was no better or worse under Wes than he was under our previous coach. He's also no better out in LA.

Why don't you explain, exactly, how you think that Wes might be holding Kispert back. What's Wes doing that creates a problem in CK's development? That would be a fun read!

You are quite full of yourself, but you have already admitted that you are unqualified to judge coaches.

Also, you state things as if they are fact, when they aren’t fact, and anyone who looks at basketball reference can see that you are misrepresenting facts.

Every thing that I said about ws48, ortg and drtg is a fact that can easily be verified by a quick look at the stats page, but you lie and claim facts aren’t facts because they don’t fit with what you desire the reality to be.

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1. Bertans was worse in '20-21 than he was under WUJ the following year. He's no better w/ Dallas.!

That is an assertion on your part. (It is a false assertion as I have already provided facts that can show it is false). If you believe this assertion please provide stats to verify. Otherwise, just admit you are full of ****. That goes for all your assertions. But, let’s just deal with this one.

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Did you just call me a liar?
Bye bye. You are going on "Ignore" as of now.

edit: done!

[leswizards]

Did you just call me a liar?
Bye bye. You are going on "Ignore" as of now.

A convenient way to not provide factual evidence to support your assertion. You need this out, because there are no facts to support your assertion (ie lie). Thank you for admitting it, even if you chose this pathetic way to admit it.

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Why don't you explain, exactly, how you think that Wes might be holding Kispert back. What's Wes doing that creates a problem in CK's development? That would be a fun read!

I would like to here this one as well. But in the Kispert thread.

It seems like Kispert has benefited greatly from how Wes uses him.

[leswizards]

Why don't you explain, exactly, how you think that Wes might be holding Kispert back. What's Wes doing that creates a problem in CK's development? That would be a fun read!

I would like to here this one as well. But in the Kispert thread.

It seems like Kispert has benefited greatly from how Wes uses him.

Pif had no facts to support his argument, so he engaged in the fallacy of a straw man. I never claimed all players under performed under wuj. I said players consistently underperformed under wuj, and I provided statistical evidence to support that assertion.

I like kispert. He has played well. His ortg is spectacular, but his drtg is awful. His ws48 is good, but basically at back up level. Nothing about kispert’s performance undermines my assertion that players consistently underperform under wuj.

[DCZards]

Why don't you explain, exactly, how you think that Wes might be holding Kispert back. What's Wes doing that creates a problem in CK's development? That would be a fun read!

I would like to here this one as well. But in the Kispert thread.

It seems like Kispert has benefited greatly from how Wes uses him.

…as has Morris, Wright and Gafford.

Fact is some players have underperformed under Wes and some have performed well. It happens on every team and with every coach.

[leswizards]

Why don't you explain, exactly, how you think that Wes might be holding Kispert back. What's Wes doing that creates a problem in CK's development? That would be a fun read!

I would like to here this one as well. But in the Kispert thread.

It seems like Kispert has benefited greatly from how Wes uses him.

…as has Morris, Wright and Gafford.

Fact is some players have underperformed under Wes and some have performed well. It happens with on every team and with every coach.

I will have to get on my computer tomorrow, but I am pretty sure that those are not facts as they pertain to morris, wright and Gafford. At most, you can claim they have not underperformed under wuj. I consider that to be hardly a ringing endorsement of his ability.

[leswizards]

I would like to here this one as well. But in the Kispert thread.

It seems like Kispert has benefited greatly from how Wes uses him.

…as has Morris, Wright and Gafford.

Fact is some players have underperformed under Wes and some have performed well. It happens with on every team and with every coach.

I will have to get on my computer tomorrow, but I am pretty sure that those are not facts as they pertain to morris, wright and Gafford. At most, you can claim they have not underperformed under wuj. I consider that to be hardly a ringing endorsement of his ability.

Using ws48, ortg and drtg, wright is having one of his best years ever. Gafford and Morris on the other hand are good players having good years, but their years are in line with their career norms.

Nothing in their play of these 3 players, imo, makes up for the fact that I can name 7 players who had below average ws48, near career low ortg, and 6 of the seven had near career low drtg playing under wuj. And to those list of 7, you might be able to now add Rui, who has had his ortg rise significantly since he has been playing in la (his ws48 is way higher than it was this season in Washington, but not all that much higher than it was last season under wuj).