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Post#1761 » by Hal14 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:45 pm

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The-Power wrote:It would be based on him having a fairly high floor and the competition for the spot being underwhelming. I agree that his offense has clear limitations but an optimistic view would believe in his passing ability as a potential path to considerable impact. As for defense, I think the current NBA moves away from elite rim protectors as the only source of elite impact. I'm not saying Walker will be an elite defender (I think it's more likely that he'll just end up good and versatile) but in today's NBA, being able to switch onto the perimeter, hold up against bigger players and defend the rim with length and strength provides prime value. That combination plus elite defensive IQ and motor is what turned Draymond Green – not the classic elite rim protector type – into the best defensive player of his generation.

I’ll see your Jarace and raise you Taylor Hendricks at 2.


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That's my hold up on Walker. I don't understand why Hendricks isn't just the better version of that type of prospect.

Unless you really buy into Walker's playmaking or defensive impact or something. But I'm skeptical.

Walker is MUCH stronger physically. Walker has an NBA body - he's a chiseled 6'8", 240 lbs. Hendricks is a skinny 6'9" guy who may get pushed around in the paint on an NBA floor. Might have trouble holding up physically to the grind of an 82 game season - needs to get stronger.

Walker is also miles ahead of passer/play maker. IDK what Hendricks' wingspan is, but Jarace has a reported 7'2" wingspan.

Walker can handle the ball much better too - can create more off the dribble.

Jarace has an edge at pretty much everything, other than Hendricks being a little bit better shooter and possibly a little bit better shot blocker.

With that being said, I only have Hendricks like 1 or 2 spots behind Jarace on my board.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1762 » by TheSuzerain » Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:37 pm

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EvanZ wrote:I’ll see your Jarace and raise you Taylor Hendricks at 2.


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That's my hold up on Walker. I don't understand why Hendricks isn't just the better version of that type of prospect.

Unless you really buy into Walker's playmaking or defensive impact or something. But I'm skeptical.

Walker is MUCH stronger physically. Walker has an NBA body - he's a chiseled 6'8", 240 lbs. Hendricks is a skinny 6'9" guy who may get pushed around in the paint on an NBA floor. Might have trouble holding up physically to the grind of an 82 game season - needs to get stronger.

Walker is also miles ahead of passer/play maker. IDK what Hendricks' wingspan is, but Jarace has a reported 7'2" wingspan.

Walker can handle the ball much better too - can create more off the dribble.

Jarace has an edge at pretty much everything, other than Hendricks being a little bit better shooter and possibly a little bit better shot blocker.

With that being said, I only have Hendricks like 1 or 2 spots behind Jarace on my board.

I don't think Walker is a better handler. Hendricks looks a lot more fluid as a mover.

And Walker is a lot bigger but that could just make him a liability as a lateral defender (see yesterdays game where Miami basically got whatever they wanted).

Calling Hendricks a little better shooter seems off too. He's far better. Walker is just a spot up guy at best.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1763 » by clyde21 » Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:40 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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EvanZ wrote:I’ll see your Jarace and raise you Taylor Hendricks at 2.


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That's my hold up on Walker. I don't understand why Hendricks isn't just the better version of that type of prospect.

Unless you really buy into Walker's playmaking or defensive impact or something. But I'm skeptical.

Walker is MUCH stronger physically. Walker has an NBA body - he's a chiseled 6'8", 240 lbs. Hendricks is a skinny 6'9" guy who may get pushed around in the paint on an NBA floor. Might have trouble holding up physically to the grind of an 82 game season - needs to get stronger.

Walker is also miles ahead of passer/play maker. IDK what Hendricks' wingspan is, but Jarace has a reported 7'2" wingspan.

Walker can handle the ball much better too - can create more off the dribble.

Jarace has an edge at pretty much everything, other than Hendricks being a little bit better shooter and possibly a little bit better shot blocker.

With that being said, I only have Hendricks like 1 or 2 spots behind Jarace on my board.


J Walk is a beast physically but honestly didn't dominate like it, a lot of times you watch him and just want more out on both ends and it's frustrating b/c you know it's there but he just can't get there mentally for some reason

re: Hendricks, he has a great frame/profile, he's not as big now as Walker (who is?) but his body won't be an issue at all in the NBA in a couple of years.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1764 » by Hal14 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:29 am

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TheSuzerain wrote:That's my hold up on Walker. I don't understand why Hendricks isn't just the better version of that type of prospect.

Unless you really buy into Walker's playmaking or defensive impact or something. But I'm skeptical.

Walker is MUCH stronger physically. Walker has an NBA body - he's a chiseled 6'8", 240 lbs. Hendricks is a skinny 6'9" guy who may get pushed around in the paint on an NBA floor. Might have trouble holding up physically to the grind of an 82 game season - needs to get stronger.

Walker is also miles ahead of passer/play maker. IDK what Hendricks' wingspan is, but Jarace has a reported 7'2" wingspan.

Walker can handle the ball much better too - can create more off the dribble.

Jarace has an edge at pretty much everything, other than Hendricks being a little bit better shooter and possibly a little bit better shot blocker.

With that being said, I only have Hendricks like 1 or 2 spots behind Jarace on my board.

I don't think Walker is a better handler. Hendricks looks a lot more fluid as a mover.

And Walker is a lot bigger but that could just make him a liability as a lateral defender (see yesterdays game where Miami basically got whatever they wanted).

Calling Hendricks a little better shooter seems off too. He's far better. Walker is just a spot up guy at best.

C'mon now. Walker is clearly a better ball handler. He is comfortable leading the break and throwing laser passes the length of the floor.

Hendricks handle is pretty loose.

The way Houston used Walker didn't allow him to show his full capability. This is a good breakdown of what he was doing last season for the 2nd best HS team on the planet:

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jarace-walker-is-made-of-lions
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1765 » by Upperclass » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:57 am

Zero chance Hawkins should slip out of the top 5. He looks like a better SG prospect then Jalen Green was
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Post#1766 » by EMG518 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:48 am

Upperclass wrote:Zero chance Hawkins should slip out of the top 5. He looks like a better SG prospect then Jalen Green was



100% he should be out of the top 5.



Why are Coulibaly and Podziemski not in everyone's Lottery?
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Post#1767 » by big-shot-ROB » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:12 am

Upperclass wrote:Zero chance Hawkins should slip out of the top 5. He looks like a better SG prospect then Jalen Green was


Not sure about that. I would definitely understand any team picking him in that 4-10 range, since things look so fluid there.

If his game translates I can see a role as a 2nd/3rd option in a role like Middleton/Thompson as a tough shot maker. That quick release and ability to navigate screens is sure interesting.

But Green I feel displayed more potential as being a lead initiator + athletic profile to attack the rim better even though he's always been inefficient and that dumpster situation in houston hasn't helped.
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Post#1768 » by Upperclass » Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:13 am

Green was a better draft prospect.. Hawkins looks like a better player. Better shooter, better handle, better IQ, better defender. Green is very JR Smithish at this juncture.. Hawkins looks far more polished
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1769 » by big-shot-ROB » Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:24 am

Upperclass wrote:Green was a better draft prospect.. Hawkins looks like a better player. Better shooter, better handle, better IQ, better defender. Green is very JR Smithish at this juncture.. Hawkins looks far more polished


Totally agree, that's always been the debate between floor and ceiling
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1770 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:56 pm

Hawkins doesn't have a better handle than Green at all that's Hawkins biggest issue now
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Post#1771 » by Big J » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:05 pm

Hawkins is playing against future accountants & software developers. Of course he looks more polished, lol.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1772 » by azcatz11 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:40 pm

EMG518 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Zero chance Hawkins should slip out of the top 5. He looks like a better SG prospect then Jalen Green was



100% he should be out of the top 5.



Why are Coulibaly and Podziemski not in everyone's Lottery?


I’ve never heard of either of them
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1773 » by EvanZ » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:54 pm

Upperclass wrote:Zero chance Hawkins should slip out of the top 5. He looks like a better SG prospect then Jalen Green was


Oh god, it's even worse than I expected
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1774 » by EvanZ » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:55 pm

EMG518 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Zero chance Hawkins should slip out of the top 5. He looks like a better SG prospect then Jalen Green was



100% he should be out of the top 5.



Why are Coulibaly and Podziemski not in everyone's Lottery?


Podz is in my top 20. Nobody watched him, so that's why. But he'll probably go up the boards just like Jalen Williams did once people figure out he's really good.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1775 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:50 pm

i retroactively should've been lower on Jalen Green fully knowing I dislike that archetype usually (had him 3rd after Mobley/Cade), but he was otherworldly athletic and had way more on-ball juice than Hawkins, can't really compare.
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Post#1776 » by eminence » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:54 pm

Podz seems decent enough, I'd certainly have some competition concerns, but seems like a guy I'd be looking at in the later 1st.

Don't see really any similarities between Green/Hawkins other than build.

Who do folks like for prospects in this SDSU vs Creighton game?

I've got a soft spot for Scheierman, but that may be my homer talking.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1777 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:55 pm

eminence wrote:Podz seems decent enough, I'd certainly have some competition concerns, but seems like a guy I'd be looking at in the later 1st.

Don't see really any similarities between Green/Hawkins other than build.

Who do folks like for prospects in this SDSU vs Creighton game?

I've got a soft spot for Scheierman, but that may be my homer talking.


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Post#1778 » by EvanZ » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:39 pm

No real prospects on Creighton imo. Many GL guys.


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Post#1779 » by EMG518 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:54 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Zero chance Hawkins should slip out of the top 5. He looks like a better SG prospect then Jalen Green was



100% he should be out of the top 5.



Why are Coulibaly and Podziemski not in everyone's Lottery?


I’ve never heard of either of them



I recommend you check them out, youtube and basketball reference to get an idea.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft 

Post#1780 » by Catchall » Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:25 am

Hawkins is like a slightly bigger version of Malik Monk without the high-flying dunks in college. Similar role and efficiency as movement shooters.

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