Trade Discussion 22/23

[Absinthe]

I know this won’t be popular, but at what point do the Mavs consider trading Luka? Look at what Durant and even Gobert got in a trade. Luka is significantly younger than both. The truth of the matter is that the Mavs only have a single first round pick, they are loaded with bad contracts, and their cap space is going to be completely screwed if they sign Kyrie. The front office simply can’t build a contender with the way this team is constructed. Think about what the Jazz could give up to get Luka. Then you tank and build through the draft. This is exactly how the Celtics rebuilt their team. Does anyone seriously think that a core of Kyrie, Luka, Bertans, and THJ is going to win anything. They need picks and cap space.

[41Dirk41]

I know this won’t be popular, but at what point do the Mavs consider trading Luka? Look at what Durant and even Gobert got in a trade. Luka is significantly younger than both. The truth of the matter is that the Mavs only have a single first round pick, they are loaded with bad contracts, and their cap space is going to be completely screwed if they sign Kyrie. The front office simply can’t build a contender with the way this team is constructed. Think about what the Jazz could give up to get Luka. Then you tank and build through the draft. This is exactly how the Celtics rebuilt their team. Does anyone seriously think that a core of Kyrie, Luka, Bertans, and THJ is going to win anything. They need picks and cap space.

Mavs FO can't build a contender with Luka in rookie contract, how can they do it without Luka?

[BliscoSantos]

I know this won’t be popular, but at what point do the Mavs consider trading Luka? Look at what Durant and even Gobert got in a trade. Luka is significantly younger than both. The truth of the matter is that the Mavs only have a single first round pick, they are loaded with bad contracts, and their cap space is going to be completely screwed if they sign Kyrie. The front office simply can’t build a contender with the way this team is constructed. Think about what the Jazz could give up to get Luka. Then you tank and build through the draft. This is exactly how the Celtics rebuilt their team. Does anyone seriously think that a core of Kyrie, Luka, Bertans, and THJ is going to win anything. They need picks and cap space.

Mavs FO can't build a contender with Luka in rookie contract, how can they do it without Luka?

If the Mavs are interested in 10-15 years of being at the botrom of the NBA ,sure trade him...lol

One bad season doesn't mean anything...remember Kobe without Shaq at first...the team he had...Just get rid of everybody but Luka,Kai ,Green and Hardy(coaching team included)

[ozwizard8]

Where?
Honestly i never read that.

Find the posts please...otherwise you just made the figure of the fool. again.

Beai Beoiea. Go back a couple of pages and you can find it.

DFS was never as good as Andre Iguodala but still having him was sth. No frontcourt defense is worse than having great scorers.

Ah ok, I thought you were talking about me.

I like DFS and i liked his years here but his absence can't be our main problem. We can find another DFS for a couple of SRPs.

That is not true at all. You dont get DFS for 2nd rounders. If it was the case we would've kept him.

His absence is our main problem. Any wing player is torching us now. Grizzlies had that no name. Hornets PJ Washington and Hayward just scoring 20+ efficiently on each night.

DFS-Maxi was not enough to cover Kawhi-PG. But at least they're still sth to slow them down to a point.
If Mavs plays with LAC in this playoffs, it would be 4-1 Clippers if not 4-0 sweep. Last year's roster was better than this. Even without Brunson we were better with Dinwiddie and DFS. Dinwiddie is not a good defender but at least he's taller than Kyrie. Helps with switching, defense, and rebounding.

[Absinthe]

I know this won’t be popular, but at what point do the Mavs consider trading Luka? Look at what Durant and even Gobert got in a trade. Luka is significantly younger than both. The truth of the matter is that the Mavs only have a single first round pick, they are loaded with bad contracts, and their cap space is going to be completely screwed if they sign Kyrie. The front office simply can’t build a contender with the way this team is constructed. Think about what the Jazz could give up to get Luka. Then you tank and build through the draft. This is exactly how the Celtics rebuilt their team. Does anyone seriously think that a core of Kyrie, Luka, Bertans, and THJ is going to win anything. They need picks and cap space.

Mavs FO can't build a contender with Luka in rookie contract, how can they do it without Luka?

If the Mavs are interested in 10-15 years of being at the botrom of the NBA ,sure trade him...lol

One bad season doesn't mean anything...remember Kobe without Shaq at first...the team he had...Just get rid of everybody but Luka,Kai ,Green and Hardy(coaching team included)

Were the Celtics at the bottom for 10-15 years? What about the current OKC team? This notion that tanking teams always perpetually stay at the bottom of the league is nonsense. Whenever someone drafts Wemby look at me with a straight face and tell me that team is going to be a bottom of the barrel team. It’s laughable.

[ACMFFL]

Mavs FO can't build a contender with Luka in rookie contract, how can they do it without Luka?

If the Mavs are interested in 10-15 years of being at the botrom of the NBA ,sure trade him...lol

One bad season doesn't mean anything...remember Kobe without Shaq at first...the team he had...Just get rid of everybody but Luka,Kai ,Green and Hardy(coaching team included)

Were the Celtics at the bottom for 10-15 years? What about the current OKC team? This notion that tanking teams always perpetually stay at the bottom of the league is nonsense. Whenever someone drafts Wemby look at me with a straight face and tell me that team is going to be a bottom of the barrel team. It’s laughable.

Tbf neither the C's nor OKC gave up on their own 24 years old superstar..
There is a reason no team gives up on them unless they become disgruntled.

[ozwizard8]

I know this won’t be popular, but at what point do the Mavs consider trading Luka? Look at what Durant and even Gobert got in a trade. Luka is significantly younger than both. The truth of the matter is that the Mavs only have a single first round pick, they are loaded with bad contracts, and their cap space is going to be completely screwed if they sign Kyrie. The front office simply can’t build a contender with the way this team is constructed. Think about what the Jazz could give up to get Luka. Then you tank and build through the draft. This is exactly how the Celtics rebuilt their team. Does anyone seriously think that a core of Kyrie, Luka, Bertans, and THJ is going to win anything. They need picks and cap space.

We all know Cuban likes to hold on his mistakes to prove everyone else wrong.
Both Kyrie and Wood acquisitions were bad because they're up for contract renewal. There are not too many Kyrie suitors out there. And even if sign&trade opportunity emerges, I dont think Mavs would get much back.

Option 1: Trade Luka, resign Kyrie and Wood. Luka would bring a lot of young assets, picks. Stay competitive.
Potential suitor: Knicks (Knicks would give Randle+another wing player).
Kyrie-Green-RJ Barrett-Randle-Wood

Recall Dirk's last 5 years, Devin Harris times. The franchise had no business being in playoffs, but Carlisle found a way to make the playoffs. The first-round exit was inevitable with those rosters. Cuban would be happy to stay at 6th to 10th seed than tanking

Option 2: Trade Luka, trade Kyrie, dont resign Wood. Get tons of picks from Luka deal. (5-6 first round picks?)
Potential suitor: Thunder (Thunder to throw 5-6 first-round picks + young asset)
SGA-Luka duo would be great. Thunder can find rim protecting big, they have a lot of assets in their warchest. They are already as good as Dallas in win column. Adding Luka would make them the top 2 seed easy.

Both LAL and LAC can sign&trade for Kyrie. I dont know if they can find salaries to match, but assuming they find it, maybe they can add 2 first round picks.
Tank 2-3 years, use Luka draft picks (6 firsts), let bad contracts expire. Recoup whatever you can from Kyrie-Maxi-Wood.

Seriously FREE LUKA!

[leolozon]

Kirk Henderson of Mavs moneyball has said that the Mavs didn’t have to give up a first in the Luka-Trae trade, but didn’t want to trade players. Anyone heard of it? Because it is beyond stupid to me to rather give up a first when you have a young player.

[BliscoSantos]

If the Mavs manage to keep their pick and it's 9th or 10th, who you got? Is Kris Murray any good??

[arkuo]

At this point Ben Simmons can be had for Bertans straight up. Any takers?

[dirkules_41]

At this point Ben Simmons can be had for Bertans straight up. Any takers?

Hell no . Why the f would you convert a mediocre contract that's finally coming towards its end for the worst contract in pro basketball?

[daoneandonly]

At this point Ben Simmons can be had for Bertans straight up. Any takers?

Hell no . Why the f would you convert a mediocre contract that's finally coming towards its end for the worst contract in pro basketball?

If you attach THJ to it and get our pick back

[dirkules_41]

At this point Ben Simmons can be had for Bertans straight up. Any takers?

Hell no . Why the f would you convert a mediocre contract that's finally coming towards its end for the worst contract in pro basketball?

If you attach THJ to it and get our pick back

Still a hell no. He makes another 79m over 2 years and is unplayable when he is healthy and 90% of the time isn't healthy. That's a textbook writeoff. Meanwhile THJ is owed another 34m over 2 years and actually has some basketball value. Bertans is owed 22m over 2 years thanks to ETO and also has some spot value.
**** ruining your cap for 2 years with 0 on court returns for a mid range FRP.
I get the sky is falling but jesus christ this is horrendously bad.

[fuller4379]

I am tired of the Brunson tears here. The time he would signed the extension was in 2021 after his horrendous playoff performance. At that time he looked like a bench guy who could provide a spark with the second unit. He made big strides in the 2021-22 season. By the time the Mavericks would have liked to sign the extension, Brunson's performance demanded more than the extension money. He had his heart set on the Knicks by that time too.

[fuller4379]

Hell no . Why the f would you convert a mediocre contract that's finally coming towards its end for the worst contract in pro basketball?

If you attach THJ to it and get our pick back

Still a hell no. He makes another 79m over 2 years and is unplayable when he is healthy and 90% of the time isn't healthy. That's a textbook writeoff. Meanwhile THJ is owed another 34m over 2 years and actually has some basketball value. Bertans is owed 22m over 2 years thanks to ETO and also has some spot value.
**** ruining your cap for 2 years with 0 on court returns for a mid range FRP.
I get the sky is falling but jesus christ this is horrendously bad.

Maybe if we get two firsts then we would take on that contract.

[Medbrat]

See how we do in the playoffs (as a team and individually), then wait for Kyrie to make his decisions. Base the next 2-3 years on that info. I lean to "trade everything not named Hardy Green Luka Kyrie", but lets wait and see how play-ins go first.

[arkuo]

Would be nice if the Mavs can S&T Wood for Harrison Barnes.

[arkuo]

Does Omer Yurtseven play defense? Could be a viable center candidate this offseason.

If the Mavs miss out on centers, there is always Nikola Vucevic or Bismack Biyombo.

[Jg41]

The Kings and Nets are ideal trade partners.

DAL ===> R. Bullock / J. McGee / '24 1st / '25 2nd / '30 2nd ===> BKN ===> D. Finney-Smith / D. Sharpe ===> DAL

DAL ===> T. Hardaway Jr. / ~6.8M Cash ===> SAC ===> R. Holmes ===> DAL

Still preserves the flexibility to shop 3 1sts ('25/'27/'31) & 3 swaps ('26/'28/'30) in the summer of 2024.

Resign Kyrie 5yrs 220M
Extend J. Green 4yrs 70M
Sign Powell / Holiday / Dragic / Pinson / Lawson to 1-year Vet Minimums:

'23-'24 Rotation (14)

PG: L. Doncic (35) / G. Dragic (10)
SG: K. Irving (35) / J. Hardy (20) / T. Pinson
SF: J. Green (30) / J. Holiday (15) / A. Lawson
PF: D. Finney-Smith (35) / M. Kleber (25) / D. Bertans
C: R. Holmes (25) / D. Powell (10) / D. Sharpe

[JWillTheFreak]

5 year deal for kyrie is a bad idea... Mavs should sign him for a 2 year max and see how the team plays. Also 70m for Green seems a lot...