Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[tripa]

This is approaching the crypto thread in terms of hot takes from crazy people

[mdenny]

It isn’t hard to understand, but it’s doesn’t make it any more reasonable.

Not trading for Tatum is equally as insensible as trading him away. He’s arguably the best asset in the league after Doncic and Giannis?

What's even worse then, if he's that good to you, is watching him walk away in free agency and getting nothing and winning nothing. Reasonable? There's not even an attempt here to be reasonable.

Now I finally get the psychology behind the Siakam and FVV stanning. These posters are terrified of anyone better being here because they are still feeling the psychological impact of the emotional cuckoldry that was Vince leaving.

Where there is a will there is a troll.

[YogurtProducer]

Now I finally get the psychology behind the Siakam and FVV stanning. These posters are terrified of anyone better being here because they are still feeling the psychological impact of the emotional cuckoldry that was Vince leaving.

Nah, it is just pure homer-ism.

What the actual **** is wrong with you.

I'm agreeeing with you that Tatum is the better player and yes you trade Barnes if anyone was so stupid to make this idiotic fantasy trade, which nobody would. There's people that don't agree with that and flat out wouldn't trade Barnes for Tatum. You mostly ignore that.

So ... just because I would build differently and want to ship Tatum out (for what would be a fair return) to a third team instead of keeping Tatum? You lose your mind over it for 6 posts? I have no idea wtf your problem is today, or how that makes me a homer. when I'm literally saying Barnes isn't as good so you trade him, and the Raptors arent good enough to compete yet so you don't keep Tatum. Homerism?

I'm not seeing your posts again. This isn't the first time that we fundamentally agreed and you just were a _____ about it for no reason. What the ****.

Oh, the irony.

You guys are fighting over a hypothetical Tatum trade scenario

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To be fair I did not realize we were fighting until his last post. lol

[TorontoBarneys]

What's even worse then, if he's that good to you, is watching him walk away in free agency and getting nothing and winning nothing. Reasonable? There's not even an attempt here to be reasonable.

Now I finally get the psychology behind the Siakam and FVV stanning. These posters are terrified of anyone better being here because they are still feeling the psychological impact of the emotional cuckoldry that was Vince leaving.

Yet here you are hypocritically constantly complaining that every raptor wants more money and they might leave.

Huh?

I think you just made things up, my man.

[Thaddy]

Barnes potential likely exceeds his value as a prime player. He didn't improve at all from his rookie season and that's a red flag. He's playing out of position so you can create excuses to explain the current state of his development.

I think it is a viable excuse. If we put him in as the starting PF and let the offense run through him more often he could have a higher production level. I would look for his shooting to improve regardless of his positional placement. That is the limiting factor of our offense. We flat out need to be better shooters.

Shooting doesn't necessarily need to come from anyone in our SL as it's currently designed. I'd expect Siakam to be at a above average level considering how much we have invested in his shooting since the championship year. But the simplest solution is to let them develop and change around pieces on our bench.

We should target Hendricks in the draft if he's available. He is an acquaintance of Barnes and can play our defensive style at 6'9 while also providing shooting immediately. The fact he's also a rim protector does well for us too. I could see him packing on some weight and being a small ball center like Robert Williams.

Finding a strong complimentary player to Trent that can come off the bench is also important. It would affect the Barnes at PG experiment so I would look for an off-ball guard that can take handling duties if there is pressure. Barton isn't cutting it. We can likely find someone of that degree using Boucher.

The targets I would have include DDV from GSW, Kennard, KCP, or Monk from SAC.

Poeltl - Koloko
Siakam - Hendricks
Barnes - Achiuwa
OG - Trent
FVV - Monk

We would have two rim protectors off the bench and three high level shooters which would allow us to create a variety of line ups.

[Tacoma]

Nah, it is just pure homer-ism.

What the actual **** is wrong with you.

I'm agreeeing with you that Tatum is the better player and yes you trade Barnes if anyone was so stupid to make this idiotic fantasy trade, which nobody would. There's people that don't agree with that and flat out wouldn't trade Barnes for Tatum. You mostly ignore that.

So ... just because I would build differently and want to ship Tatum out (for what would be a fair return) to a third team instead of keeping Tatum? You lose your mind over it for 6 posts? I have no idea wtf your problem is today, or how that makes me a homer. when I'm literally saying Barnes isn't as good so you trade him, and the Raptors arent good enough to compete yet so you don't keep Tatum. Homerism?

I'm not seeing your posts again. This isn't the first time that we fundamentally agreed and you just were a _____ about it for no reason. What the ****.

Oh, the irony.

You guys are fighting over a hypothetical Tatum trade scenario

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To be fair I did not realize we were fighting until his last post. lol

Certain posters will almost always resort to personal attacks to defend their weak position(s). You should have known better than to get into a long dialogue with them because you know the conversation will just devolve.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

So tantalizing!

[Clay Davis]

He was phenomenal today. Best player on the court in a high-stakes, intense game with multiple all-NBA talents. While his stats aren't jumping out, I certainly think that he has improved significantly. Not everything will be reflected in the box score.

[pingpongrac]

He was phenomenal today. Best player on the court in a high-stakes, intense game with multiple all-NBA talents. While his stats aren't jumping out, I certainly think that he has improved significantly. Not everything will be reflected in the box score.

His stats aren't jumping out like you said, but he has shown steady improvement from almost every angle since mid-December.

13.9 PTS / 7.0 REB / 4.6 AST / 0.9 STL / 0.8 BLK on 44/32/69 shooting splits (51 TS%) with 2.4 TOV

vs

16.4 PTS / 6.7 REB / 5.0 AST / 1.1 STL / 0.8 BLK on 46/27/80 shooting splits (53 TS%) with 1.8 TOV

More than anything though, his poise and ability to read the floor as a young player has been much better as of late which has resulted in an even greater positive impact. He still has the occasional outburst or makes the odd bad pass because he throws in a bit too much flare, but it becomes more and more evident with each week that he has the tools and the IQ to be really great in this league. The only things holding him back from taking that next step is shooting and ball-handling, so hopefully that's something he works on hard in the offseason then he comes back and makes the leap to an All-NBA type of guy in his 3rd season (like Tatum and Ja did recently).

I thought Scottie's output on the season overall was pretty disappointing about a month ago because at that point almost half of his games had been underwhelming, but he has had a lot of very impactful games where he has filled the stat sheet lately and he's trending very close to being in line with what I wanted to see from him in regards to box-score numbers. I expected (or hoped) for 18/8/5/1/1 type of numbers this season as a best-case scenario and he'd pretty much be right in line with that if his three-point shot was just a bit better and you exclude a couple of his low-minute games that he was forced to leave early because of injury. Obviously I'd also like to see more efficient nights (52.6 TS% on the season is pretty bad), but I have loved how he has played in March especially.

[KL78192020]

Ok. I'm going to try one more time. I don't want Tatum for the reason stated. I make the trade to trade tatum to a third team for whatever they offer in your fanstasy land presuming it is better than just Barnes. This isn't hard to understand if you aren't even trying to understand. Smfh.

It isn’t hard to understand, but it’s doesn’t make it any more reasonable.

Not trading for Tatum is equally as insensible as trading him away. He’s arguably the best asset in the league after Doncic and Giannis?

What's even worse then, if he's that good to you, is watching him walk away in free agency and getting nothing and winning nothing. Reasonable? There's not even an attempt here to be reasonable. You're pathetic trying to misinterpet this so badly.

That's the problem for trading for a superstar, they will leave the first chance they get. Kawhi won a freakin championship and couldn't wait to leave. I'm sure Tatum would leave to. At least if you draft a star you have 9 years of control over them.

[HiJiNX]

I had a feeling this thread would be upped after last night haha.

[OakleyDokely]

One of the most impressive parts of his game is that he takes pretty good care of the ball, which is pretty unique for someone of his age/experience. The 12 assists are impressive, but the 0 turnovers take his performance last night to another level.

[OakleyDokely]

scottie should at least get .5 assists for this

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[WuTang_CMB]

Barnes had one of his better games as a Raptor. It was the approach for the full 48. If he comes out like that every game, we are a different team.

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[srhcan]

on his way to become next Magic Johnson?

[OakleyDokely]

on his way to become next Magic Johnson?

The chances are very low that he become a top 10 player of all-time.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Really seems like his legs needed that week off more than his hand.

[Reeko]

Forgive me, because I am going to bring up Fred in this post but the intention is not to bash him so much as it is to highlight Scottie.

Other than Jak, who does Fred have great chemistry with? Pascal? I wouldn't even call it great, they know how to play off of each other to a certain extent just due to how long they've been together but it doesn't seem like they're totally in synch. I'm not saying that he's a bad point guard, he's not, but his general feel for the game and awareness are not elite.

Despite a few people's claims that he's not ready to be the lead ball handler and decision maker on the court, we're seeing that he is very clearly developing great chemistry with OG and Gary. We've also seen him get Achiuwa and Boucher great looks and it seems that they excel playing next to Scottie. He has a level of understanding, awareness and desire to get others involved that is sorely lacking on this team. From what I'm seeing is when Scottie has the ball other guys know that he is looking for them and will not hesitate to give them the ball in good spots, therefore guys make themselves available to shoot or cut or get to the dunkers spot.

Now does he make mistakes? Yes he does. He makes some high risk passes that at times make you wonder what he's doing out there and his handle is not the tightest. But he's still only 21, and projecting what he can do going forward I don't see why you wouldn't want the ball in his hands as much as possible in these early stages of his career.

[Duffman100]

Any 21 year old who can get 12 assists with 0 turnovers is intriguing.

[ItsDanger]

Last night shows a lot of people just don't know talent.