Trade Discussion 22/23

Archx · Post #7421 » by **Archx** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:44 pm

Darren wrote:I think leadership, lack of muscle and well-documented. Luka can't play off ball until the conditioning is good enough to play defense and became elite outside shooter. Another big issue is Luka can't play too fast. I think it's gonna be tough for Luka to get out of comfort zone. Ironically, there are plenty of PGs but few 3D players. Basically, Gobert, Grant or Stewart are going to be the target in trade market. I think Luka is frustrated about uptempo games where conditioning and working against weaknesses is a must. Sacrificing a lot of beloved food is tough. Taking blame for bad record is also a factor.

Last year Mavs had 15th ORTG in the league, this year they have 6th best. There is no point discussing offense when defense is atrocious. Mavs are also one of the best half-court teams thanks to Doncic's ability to breakdown any defense.

Team defense on the other hand, tanked hard. They are in the bottom 10 or i would argue even one of the 5 worst teams on defense. A lot of that has to do with horrible rebounding and zero rim protection. In 5 years they haven't been able to solve this problem.

So all in all, lets not try and fix what's not broken, first solve the center/wing positions, get guys that can rebound and defend.

arkuo · Post #7422 » by **arkuo** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:26 pm

Well if you think about it going into this season with Kyrie + expiring Wood and Powell versus going into the offseason with no cap space but with Dinwiddie and DFS signed on long term, I think you gotta choose change. Cant parade the same team doing the same thing for a 6th year in a row. Luka is now more open to planting himself in the post and making plays from there so there is a chance he comes into next season looking like Kenny Lofton Jr but I guess it adds more plays to Kidd's boring as **** playbook. Plus there is also something to look forward to year 2 of Jaden Hardy. Kid looks special.

41Dirk41 · Post #7423 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:27 pm

arkuo wrote:Well if you think about it going into this season with Kyrie + expiring Wood and Powell versus going into the offseason with no cap space but with Dinwiddie and DFS signed on long term, I think you gotta choose change. Cant parade the same team doing the same thing for a 6th year in a row. Luka is now more open to planting himself in the post and making plays from there so there is a chance he comes into next season looking like Kenny Lofton Jr but I guess it adds more plays to Kidd's boring as **** playbook. Plus there is also something to look forward to year 2 of Jaden Hardy. Kid looks special.

And Luka agrees for sure with you :lol:

SOUNDCHASER · Post #7424 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Sat Apr 1, 2023 4:01 am

Got to keep Kyrie for sure. Wood is insurance so it depends on what kind of $$$ it takes to keep him and he is not TOO high enough up on the totem pole to keep he needs to be kept or we will have to pay a lot to throw money at another veteran stretch PF.

We can lose naturally and get our 10th pick we many not even need to try to tank to lose and that is very sad.

That gets us a 1st but I would like to add Zach Edey because I see him being an easy way to get a basket with his game under the rim plus with his size he is a very useful big to have on the team, if he can show he has the ability to run the court and play on both ends.

To get him we need to find a way to get a 2nd pick in the early second or late first round.

A 3 and D SF with enough size to play PF would be nice add with the 10th pick. Green may develop into something useful but he has not shown me enough yet. That means we might want to match any offer to keep Wood as well. His 3 pointer would be nice to have if we had more guys on the team to open the court up for him to shoot more. I see Luka and Irving able to do a lot with a big center and a guy like Wood out there who can hit 3's from the 4.

Defense begins with protecting the rim and not fouling a lot as a center and Zach is one of those centers that has the ability to defend without getting in foul trouble and that is a hard thing for rookies to learn how to do but that puts him in another league and makes him a legit prospect to consider.

If our 10th pick creates a splash as well then we would have the pieces to contend and be solid 1 through 5. McGee and Kleber are solid as back up 5's but if we can snag a decent free agent that position is one where you need 2 good centers and I would hate to not find a second center. 2011 team was more than just Tyson at the 5 we had Haywood as well and he

arkuo · Post #7425 » by **arkuo** » Sat Apr 1, 2023 4:27 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:Got to keep Kyrie for sure. Wood is insurance so it depends on what kind of $$$ it takes to keep him and he is not TOO high enough up on the totem pole to keep he needs to be kept or we will have to pay a lot to throw money at another veteran stretch PF.

We can lose naturally and get our 10th pick we many not even need to try to tank to lose and that is very sad.

That gets us a 1st but I would like to add Zach Edey because I see him being an easy way to get a basket with his game under the rim plus with his size he is a very useful big to have on the team, if he can show he has the ability to run the court and play on both ends.

To get him we need to find a way to get a 2nd pick in the early second or late first round.

A 3 and D SF with enough size to play PF would be nice add with the 10th pick. Green may develop into something useful but he has not shown me enough yet. That means we might want to match any offer to keep Wood as well. His 3 pointer would be nice to have if we had more guys on the team to open the court up for him to shoot more. I see Luka and Irving able to do a lot with a big center and a guy like Wood out there who can hit 3's from the 4.

Defense begins with protecting the rim and not fouling a lot as a center and Zach is one of those centers that has the ability to defend without getting in foul trouble and that is a hard thing for rookies to learn how to do but that puts him in another league and makes him a legit prospect to consider.

If our 10th pick creates a splash as well then we would have the pieces to contend and be solid 1 through 5. McGee and Kleber are solid as back up 5's but if we can snag a decent free agent that position is one where you need 2 good centers and I would hate to not find a second center. 2011 team was more than just Tyson at the 5 we had Haywood as well and he

I have zero faith in Kidd playing a rookie. Even moreso for a rookie starting center. Kidd won't even play Hardy who can average 18ppg in lieu of Ntlikina. Im all for getting a new center. But new center has to be head and shoulders better than Dwight Powell both in IQ and on court skills or Kidd just reverts back to starting Powell. It has to be a clear upgrade IMO.

arkuo · Post #7426 » by **arkuo** » Sat Apr 1, 2023 12:18 pm

Just hold on to Kidd for a bit until Nick Nurse leaves Toronto next year when his contract is up.

Ni Da Ye · Post #7427 » by **Ni Da Ye** » Sat Apr 1, 2023 3:51 pm

arkuo wrote:Just hold on to Kidd for a bit until Nick Nurse leaves Toronto next year when his contract is up.

+100000000000000000000000

I was going to say the same thing, please let's get Nick!!

Archx · Post #7428 » by **Archx** » Sat Apr 1, 2023 5:52 pm

There has been some reports that Mavs found a replacement for Powell for next season. We're finally getting a rim protector?

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Absinthe · Post #7429 » by **Absinthe** » Sun Apr 2, 2023 4:37 am

What the Mavs need is very rare in the NBA and they’re either going to have to give up a lot in a trade to get it or get very lucky in the draft.

They need a rim protector who can patrol the paint and rebound but who can also roll to the rim. I honestly would have liked for them to give Dwight Howard a shot. Sure, he’s old, but I’m not convinced he’s worse than Powell at this point. It would have at least been worth a shot and they gave Kemba one.

The second thing they need is a tall wing player who can shoot threes, drive to the rim, and defend. Maxi and Bullock aren’t cutting it.

But all of what I said above is easier said than done.

arkuo · Post #7430 » by **arkuo** » Sun Apr 2, 2023 4:48 am

Absinthe wrote:What the Mavs need is very rare in the NBA and they’re either going to have to give up a lot in a trade to get it or get very lucky in the draft.

They need a rim protector who can patrol the paint and rebound but who can also roll to the rim. I honestly would have liked for them to give Dwight Howard a shot. Sure, he’s old, but I’m not convinced he’s worse than Powell at this point. It would have at least been worth a shot and they gave Kemba one.

The second thing they need is a tall wing player who can shoot threes, drive to the rim, and defend. Maxi and Bullock aren’t cutting it.

But all of what I said above is easier said than done.

What the Mavs have is also equally rare. 2 All NBA players who dont play defense in the same team. So the way they have to build the other 3 roster spots have to be surgical and precise. Ideally you fill the other 3 spots with 3 Jared Vanderbilts and call it a day, but those dont come often.

Absinthe · Post #7431 » by **Absinthe** » Sun Apr 2, 2023 5:20 am

arkuo wrote:
Absinthe wrote:What the Mavs need is very rare in the NBA and they’re either going to have to give up a lot in a trade to get it or get very lucky in the draft.

They need a rim protector who can patrol the paint and rebound but who can also roll to the rim. I honestly would have liked for them to give Dwight Howard a shot. Sure, he’s old, but I’m not convinced he’s worse than Powell at this point. It would have at least been worth a shot and they gave Kemba one.

The second thing they need is a tall wing player who can shoot threes, drive to the rim, and defend. Maxi and Bullock aren’t cutting it.

But all of what I said above is easier said than done.

What the Mavs have is also equally rare. 2 All NBA players who dont play defense in the same team. So the way they have to build the other 3 roster spots have to be surgical and precise. Ideally you fill the other 3 spots with 3 Jared Vanderbilts and call it a day, but those dont come often.

It’s a fair point. They have the offensive firepower but elite defenders and do all centers don’t grow on trees.

arkuo · Post #7432 » by **arkuo** » Sun Apr 2, 2023 7:04 am

The only value that Kidd brings to the team is he rides with Kyrie and Luka to the grave. The whole NBA and the media could hate on Kyrie and Luka on ESPN but Kidd seems to be there for the team. Like if you're gonna be villains, then he'll join you and you'll all get hated together. I think that is where his value lies and that's the type of coach he is, which is probably what Kyrie likes in him. Other than that there is zero on court stuff he knows. Or at least he didnt show that this year on court.

I personally think this is where Kyrie decides to stay or leave Dallas. Because he felt he couldn't trust management in BKN. Dallas has his people. Nico and Kidd will try to convince him to stay. The operative word is try.

arkuo · Post #7433 » by **arkuo** » Sun Apr 2, 2023 8:16 am

Another realistic scenario is Dallas works something out with BKN where Dallas absorbs the Ben Simmons contract and BKN gives them DFS, Claxton and 1 pick in the upcoming draft (BKN has two first rounders).

Absorbing that Ben Simmons contract is the thing that should make BKN say yes to all that IMO. Sure there are other players like Vanderbilt but no way to get them to Texas now. Not with the assets that Dallas has.

Scenario 1 - get Simmons, DFS, Claxton and 1st for THJ, Bertans, Kleber, Bullock and Mcgee

Scenario 2 - S&T Wood for Mathise Thybulle

Scenario 3 - Just let Simmons rot and let his contract expire like Luol Deng.

C- Claxton / Powell
PF - DFS / FA or pick
SF- Thybulle/ Green
SG- Doncic / Holiday
PG- Kyrie / Hardy / Lawson

Dallas will get to fill the two 3&D spots and get 2 first round picks in this year's draft. Infinitely better that just re-signing everyone back again. I do want another 3&D aside from DFS back but I do think their options are limited given the assets they have.

BliscoSantos · Post #7434 » by **BliscoSantos** » Sun Apr 2, 2023 5:31 pm

Mavs need to overhaul the roster...Keep Luka,Kai,Hardy,maybe Green(u can use him as a sweetener if it gets you a better Player)...Siakam,Brown,OG,Myles Turner would be great additions,unfortunately Mavs don't have the pieces to trade for them...maybe the Clippers blow it up,maybe PG or Kawhi become available for cheap(doubtfull)...it's gonna be tough to rebuild,they'll need to make a gamble on someone who's value is low right now probably(Collins, Simmons)...it's gonna take a lot of skills in negotiations,I Just don't have any faith in this FO

ejs78 · Post #7435 » by **ejs78** » Sun Apr 2, 2023 5:48 pm

Ni Da Ye wrote:
arkuo wrote:Just hold on to Kidd for a bit until Nick Nurse leaves Toronto next year when his contract is up.

+100000000000000000000000

I was going to say the same thing, please let's get Nick!!

By the sounds of it Nurse could be done with the Raptors after this season and heading to the Rockets.

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arkuo · Post #7436 » by **arkuo** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 1:02 am

If the Mavs get a top 10 pick, they can draft a player for some team, then add THJ and/or Green and add the 2027 FRP on top of that to get someone like OG Anunoby. That's essentially 3 FRPs (2023 FRP, 2027 FRP and Josh Green) which is the asking price for OG. I'd like to see that happen.

Absinthe · Post #7437 » by **Absinthe** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 1:23 am

arkuo wrote:If the Mavs get a top 10 pick, they can draft a player for some team, then add THJ and/or Green and add the 2027 FRP on top of that to get someone like OG Anunoby. That's essentially 3 FRPs (2023 FRP, 2027 FRP and Josh Green) which is the asking price for OG. I'd like to see that happen.

They need a center who is an elite rebounder, rim protector, and can roll to the rim. OG is a nice player, but he’s not going to bang down low but so much. If your backcourt is Luka, Kyrie, and either THJ or Green you’ve got to get significantly bigger. The Minnesota trade was absolutely foolish and I wanted the Mavs to trade for Gobert. The Wolves gave up way, way too much.

arkuo · Post #7438 » by **arkuo** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 1:40 am

Absinthe wrote:
arkuo wrote:If the Mavs get a top 10 pick, they can draft a player for some team, then add THJ and/or Green and add the 2027 FRP on top of that to get someone like OG Anunoby. That's essentially 3 FRPs (2023 FRP, 2027 FRP and Josh Green) which is the asking price for OG. I'd like to see that happen.

They need a center who is an elite rebounder, rim protector, and can roll to the rim. OG is a nice player, but he’s not going to bang down low but so much. If your backcourt is Luka, Kyrie, and either THJ or Green you’ve got to get significantly bigger. The Minnesota trade was absolutely foolish and I wanted the Mavs to trade for Gobert. The Wolves gave up way, way too much.

They were dealing with Danny Ainge. That deal was par for the course. If Cuban was on the other end of that phone call, he probably included his first born son in the deal too.

Absinthe · Post #7439 » by **Absinthe** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 1:46 am

Luka is an above average rebounder for his position but the backcourt will be one of the worst rebounding backcourts in the NBA. Turner would be great but they shouldn’t give up a ton to get him. I haven’t really looked at the draft. I know Wemby is going to be amazing but I have no idea if the Mavs can draft a big man at 10 who is projected to be good.

arkuo · Post #7440 » by **arkuo** » Mon Apr 3, 2023 2:00 am

Absinthe wrote:Luka is an above average rebounder for his position but the backcourt will be one of the worst rebounding backcourts in the NBA. Turner would be great but they shouldn’t give up a ton to get him. I haven’t really looked at the draft. I know Wemby is going to be amazing but I have no idea if the Mavs can draft a big man at 10 who is projected to be good.

Kyrie needs to be paired with a defensive 2 guard in the backcourt so he can defend the better opposing guard. Luka needs to make plays from the forward position to make sense. His size and height allows him to be at pace with other forwards in the west. You put Luka on a guard and they dribble right past him, onto Powell in the paint who is also clueless on how to defend. That makes for easy points for the bad guys.